Game 2 @CAR: Not So Fast

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Calming down from Monday night, I still like the B's chances. No reason to panic until you lose on home ice, as the old wisdom goes. It was a pretty close contest until Matt Grzelcyk made a foolish pinch and killed the comeback momentum.

Leave the mistakes in Monday, pick yourselves up and get the win tonight. This Canes team is ripe for the punning.
 

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Not to be a negative Nellie but holy smokes the Hurricanes have just obliterated the Bruins all four times they’ve played this year. It’s hard to be optimistic. But it’s NHL playoff hickey and anything can happen. Win one and the dynamic changes.

So.... let’s win one tonight!
 

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Still riding the Cs high from last nite. Will be in house for this house. Company is a Pens fan and adopted Canes fan who hates the Bruins. So really need the Bs to show up tonite. I'll just make her walk home if the Bs get smoked (I won't)
 

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I don't like their chances at all, honestly.

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Not to be a negative Nellie but holy smokes the Hurricanes have just obliterated the Bruins all four times they’ve played this year. It’s hard to be optimistic. But it’s NHL playoff hickey and anything can happen. Win one and the dynamic changes.

So.... let’s win one tonight!
This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, Bruins, we might lose' Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Aho, he's a dead man! Staal, dead! Niederreiter...

to paraphrase
 

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Ullmark gets the nod in net. At practice yesterday, they flipped Grz and Lindholm. No forward changes.

Marchand - Bergeron - DeBrusk
Hall - Haula - Pastrnak
Frederic - Coyle - Smith
Foligno - Nosek - Lazar

Grzelyck - McAvoy
Lindholm - Carlo
Forbort - Clifton

Ullmark
 

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Ullmark gets the nod in net. At practice yesterday, they flipped Grz and Lindholm. No forward changes.

Marchand - Bergeron - DeBrusk
Hall - Haula - Pastrnak
Frederic - Coyle - Smith
Foligno - Nosek - Lazar

Grzelyck - McAvoy
Lindholm - Carlo
Forbort - Clifton

Ullmark
Did they do that D switch much in the regular season? How many opportunities did they even have?

In any event, I think it's an interesting change. I was going to say that perhaps Butch was trying to get more offense from Grz-Mac but Hampus has some pretty impressive offensive career stats (albeit the best output were from his early career). So is this about improving the second pair, or is this more of a chemistry/matchup change? It could be both. Also worth noting that Hampus-Carlo make a ginormous pair [lol].
 

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They don't tinker a ton in the regular season once they find something they like. They'll mix it up when they're in a funk, but I wouldn't classify Butch as a tinkerer. That said, they did spend quite a lot of time early this year auditioning players with McAvoy. Unfortunately, Lindholm's injury limited their ability to move him around down the stretch to see how he looks with other guys.

Cassidy said with the swap, they can have a one man breakout with each pair. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me, because they fliped two mobile guys. Really of the top 4, 3 of the guys could be one man breakouts. So nothing really changed on that front. My take is that with Grzelyck/McAvoy they are looking to maximize offense. In the past 2 regular seasons, when McAvoy and Grzelyck are on the ice together, the Bruins are outscoring opponents 50-17 in ~740 minutes of 5x5 play. It's an absurd differential, but one that is supported by expected goals. Furthermore, when McAvoy/Grzelyck are on the ice with Bergeron and Marchand the Bruins are up 11-4 in a much smaller sample, with a 76% xGF%. In Game 1 they played Lindholm/McAvoy with Hall/Haula/Pastrnak, while Grzelyck/Carlo was behind the Bergeron line. I think tonight they'll put McAvoy and Grz behind Bergeron to try and spark something for the top line. The Bergeron line was pretty flat in game 1. My thought is that the Bergeron line likes to go low to high and use the points more, so Grz and McAvoy are a better fit, while Hall and Pastrnak play more down low and thus don't use the points as frequently. Maybe the more active and mobile Grz/McAvoy fits better with Bergy, while the less mobile (and frankly really bad offensively) Carlo isn't such a detriment to the 2nd line who play down low more. Lindholm can trigger the breakout but once the puck is on Hall/Pasta's stick then the bulk of the work is done.
 

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Lindholm looked a bit rusty and out of sorts on Monday. Have to think that was a result of limited practice time since coming back from injury. I expect he'll improve as he goes forward in the series.

I like the idea of a more offense-oriented defense pairing in Grz+McAvoy. They gave up 5 goals on Monday, but I don't feel like the Bruins' defense got "dissected" in any way. You have the obvious empty netter and the fluke one off the noggin of Ullmark, and the first two were a perfect redirect and a shot that found its way through a ton of traffic. Not exactly glaring lapses in defensive structure, and on the other end the offense needs all the help it can get in breaking down a very good Canes defense.

My only real concern was the goal given up on the 2-on-1 after Grz pinched. The Canes seem like last year's Islanders in how they're able to cash in consistently on the Bruins' mistakes. Have to take better care of the puck and make better decisions.
 
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Ullmark is back.

Griz/McAvoy is back.

Carlo/Lindholm is back.

The Bruins are back. WIN.
 

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Hockey is a weird game.

I have no inclination to predict anything which probably means I'm not very confident.

I wish the Bruins were a little faster overall. Maybe they'll look that way with Grzelyck seeing more ice time.
 

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There were several silver linings the other night. Carlo made a few big defensive plays, and took a few solid hits with no apparent ill-effect. DeBrusk and Hall both had flashes of flying around in the way that they do when they’re on the cusp of absolute relentlessness. Ullmark lost his positioning on a few occasions (I understand the urge to peek around a screen, but fuck if he don’t do it short side and take himself out of the net every time) but looked pretty solid to me otherwise.

Get the first line going. Punch a Staal. Win the game.
 

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Ullmark lost his positioning on a few occasions (I understand the urge to peek around a screen, but fuck if he don’t do it short side and take himself out of the net every time) but looked pretty solid to me otherwise.
It may seem counterintuitive, but most goalies lean short side when looking around a screen and are coached that way. There are a number of reasons why they do it, but its basically a combination of the puck has a shorter path to the short side, giving them less time to react to a short side shot when leaning the other way, and communicating with your D to know you are leaning short side and for them to take away the middle. Also there is typically more traffic in the middle of the net in general which tends to make it harder for the goalie to see around when leaning that way. its obviously not perfect, but its the way they play the percentages and tends to hold up over time.
 

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They don't tinker a ton in the regular season once they find something they like. They'll mix it up when they're in a funk, but I wouldn't classify Butch as a tinkerer. That said, they did spend quite a lot of time early this year auditioning players with McAvoy. Unfortunately, Lindholm's injury limited their ability to move him around down the stretch to see how he looks with other guys.

Cassidy said with the swap, they can have a one man breakout with each pair. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me, because they fliped two mobile guys. Really of the top 4, 3 of the guys could be one man breakouts. So nothing really changed on that front. My take is that with Grzelyck/McAvoy they are looking to maximize offense. In the past 2 regular seasons, when McAvoy and Grzelyck are on the ice together, the Bruins are outscoring opponents 50-17 in ~740 minutes of 5x5 play. It's an absurd differential, but one that is supported by expected goals. Furthermore, when McAvoy/Grzelyck are on the ice with Bergeron and Marchand the Bruins are up 11-4 in a much smaller sample, with a 76% xGF%. In Game 1 they played Lindholm/McAvoy with Hall/Haula/Pastrnak, while Grzelyck/Carlo was behind the Bergeron line. I think tonight they'll put McAvoy and Grz behind Bergeron to try and spark something for the top line. The Bergeron line was pretty flat in game 1. My thought is that the Bergeron line likes to go low to high and use the points more, so Grz and McAvoy are a better fit, while Hall and Pastrnak play more down low and thus don't use the points as frequently. Maybe the more active and mobile Grz/McAvoy fits better with Bergy, while the less mobile (and frankly really bad offensively) Carlo isn't such a detriment to the 2nd line who play down low more. Lindholm can trigger the breakout but once the puck is on Hall/Pasta's stick then the bulk of the work is done.
Not trying to be snarky here at all, legit trying to understand this better. It seems like you're saying both F1 and F2 like to go low to high and play down low--i.e. play the same way. Or are playing down low (F2), and going low to high (F1) different?
 

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It may seem counterintuitive, but most goalies lean short side when looking around a screen and are coached that way. There are a number of reasons why they do it, but its basically a combination of the puck has a shorter path to the short side, giving them less time to react to a short side shot when leaning the other way, and communicating with your D to know you are leaning short side and for them to take away the middle. Also there is typically more traffic in the middle of the net in general which tends to make it harder for the goalie to see around when leaning that way. its obviously not perfect, but its the way they play the percentages and tends to hold up over time.
That’s really interesting additional context. Thank you for it.

I wonder what I’m seeing that makes him look even further out of position with it than other goalies I’ve seen before. He does a bit of an upper body forward lean in other contexts that looks like it makes him a bit smaller in the net, so maybe it’s a combination of those two that make it look so awkward to me.
 

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Not trying to be snarky here at all, legit trying to understand this better. It seems like you're saying both F1 and F2 like to go low to high and play down low--i.e. play the same way. Or are playing down low (F2), and going low to high (F1) different?
Sorry, I guess that was confusing.

The Bergeron line is a possession line. They're going to cycle around in the offensive end for a long time. I think McAvoy and Grzelyck fit in as a D pair because they possess some offensive skills and are comfortable moving around the offensive zone, cycling the puck and looking for seams/shots. Lindholm is capable but looks a bit rusty and maybe a little tenative. Carlo has never looked comfortable in the offensive end, it's just not his game.

The Haula line is more of an off the rush line. Hall and Pastrnak like the puck on their sticks down low to create or shoot. They aren't as likely to cycle it around for an extended period and pass back to the point, switch with a D, etc. When that line is on the ice, the defenseman's job is really to get the puck to one of Hall or Pasta and let them create. This might be better for Carlo and Lindholm.
 

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The Haula line is more of an off the rush line. Hall and Pastrnak like the puck on their sticks down low to create or shoot. They aren't as likely to cycle it around for an extended period and pass back to the point, switch with a D, etc. When that line is on the ice, the defenseman's job is really to get the puck to one of Hall or Pasta and let them create. This might be better for Carlo and Lindholm.
To further this point, to the extent Carlo has exhibited offense, my memory says its more as a trailer on a forward-line rush, rather than as a blue line presence moving laterally inside the line.
 

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This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, Bruins, we might lose' Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Aho, he's a dead man! Staal, dead! Niederreiter...
This is beautiful. You're a genius.

Humiliate the Hurricanes
 

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Seems like better looks on this PP. Would really love to see the B's get the first one. Put Carolina on their heels.
 

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Pasta hit him pretty hard. But it also looked like Bergeron clipped him on the way by which was what knocked the mask off. NFW it's a major, Pastrnak at least made an attempt to stop.