Game 4: Celtics@Philly
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Yep. That’s on the coach when he refuses to call timeouts to draw up plays in crunch time.
This is the thing - if I’m Joe the instant I see this I call a TO. I get the idea of not calling a timeout to force mismatches but once there is a hint of confusion or delay you have to react.
Steve Kerr (regardless of what you think of him as a coach overall) does this pretty well, I’ve noticed. He doesn’t reflexively call a TO every late-game situation, but he’s quick to call one where necessary. Joe needs to learn that latter part, and quickly.
So Philly gets their best shooter wide open while the Celts can’t even get a shot off.
I blame about 60-70% Joe and 30-40% players.
I blame about 60-70% Joe and 30-40% players.
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Mazzula on what the final play was supposed to be/why they didn't take a timeout. Wanted Maxey in the PnR with Tatum, just didn't time it right
Mazzula on what the final play was supposed to be/why they didn't take a timeout. Wanted Maxey in the PnR with Tatum, just didn't time it right
Grant wasn’t in the game. If you want to try to big dog me, at least know who’s in the game
He actually moved with 7 seconds left or so, he just dribbled himself into trouble and refused to take the contested shot.
I also don’t understand how Mazzulla doesn’t drill it into their heads during the PHI timeout to not leave shooters. That was literally the only thing they needed to not do. I’m at a loss.
Phillies counter by putting all the owners wives in the front row and he’s too turned on to concentrate.
Just pinging points I agree with, since my brain is too fried to compose an original thought.
On the bolded, I've never been a big CJM hater, but this game officially swayed me. It was fine to build up the team's mettle by keeping TOs in your pocket during the regular season, but after this showing, I think he's on Coach Bud treatment where you have to let him go with anything short of a title.
I hate going for 3’s when you need one
take it to the basket hdudhdjdndnendifnsndjjf
Are you joking? They were fucking terrible at closing last year, choked multiple games in round 2 and again in round 3 forcing each to 7 games and came thiiiiiiis close to epically choking G7 against Miami, then they panicked through the last three games of the Finals.
Fucking exactly. You know when it was obvious they weren’t playing with the pace needed? When Smart drained fucking 7 seconds of the clock doing nothing
They blew a golden opportunity, but the Sixers squeaked this out by the skin of their fucking teeth with the Celtics unable to hit the ocean for much of the game while Harden/Embiid had 40 point games.
When 90% of the gamethread chalked this up to a loss the Celtics fought and they had a couple of bad luck rebound bounces at the end that could have ended it imo. And Tatum's multiple game saving blocks + huge 3 pointer late are being conveniently forgotten in the disappointment at the final possession. I swear these gamethreads are making me a positive polly - and I'm not mad at it. Being super negative about everything is stressful and terrible.
When 90% of the gamethread chalked this up to a loss the Celtics fought and they had a couple of bad luck rebound bounces at the end that could have ended it imo. And Tatum's multiple game saving blocks + huge 3 pointer late are being conveniently forgotten in the disappointment at the final possession. I swear these gamethreads are making me a positive polly - and I'm not mad at it. Being super negative about everything is stressful and terrible.
C's were up five, and Harden blew past Brogdon and encountered no resistance on the way to an easy layup, The C's next possession ended with an awful late-clock 3-point attempt by Smart, who was well-defended by Tucker.
On such moments do tight games swing.
Well someone has to do that if you want the last shot. If they called timeout, someone would have done the same thing before running the play.
“That was a great playoff basketball game.” Shades of Monty. I know comparing everything to BB is tired at this point but I’m kind of sick of the “aw shucks we did our best” approach that both Monty and Mazz have - BB has never once thrown out this “hey look we tried our best but shit happens sometimes” answer. If you lost, by definition, you didn’t do well enough.
It's obviously happened before, but I can't remember a team not even getting a shot off, down 1 in that situation.
I don't think it accomplishes anything, it's just joe's explantion of why no timeout, they wanted a matchup.
Joe gives me big Joe Prunty energy. Successful assistant on some good staffs but just not ready to be a head coach. How Prunty couldn’t get Giannis, Middleton, and Brogdon past the Rozier Celtics is beyond me and how the Celtics keep making these mistakes in crunch time is beyond me. Coaching isn’t that important but it matters on the margins and this guy sucks.
You want the last shot 100% when it’s tied, not when you’re losing
when you’re losing. You need to be 100% certain you get it off before the buzzer
You want it either way, especially given the Sixers were scoring at will in late possessions. It’s just better odds to play for the last shot.
I think it was Game 5. Grayson Allen euro stepped with 0 seconds left instead of taking the floater
Ok pal. Situations reversed where Tatum helps off of Harden, I wonder what your read is on that play. I’m guessing it’s completely different
What about the 4th quarter? Basically touched it twice, one led to a kick out for an assist on a 3, and another was a 3 that he made.
When the C's get a lead and/or stop pushing pace, they relegate him to a corner, while Smart/Tatum run a never ending 2 man game that sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't.
Going into today, he's shooting .545 and .489 from 3 in these playoffs (went 10/16 and 3/8 today, so those numbers won't change much). He's taken 10 shots, 17, 18 and 16 in 4 games in this series.
In the last 3 games, Brown has taken 51 shots and Marcus has taken 44, and Marcus is the guy with the ball in his hands late in games.
That, IMO, is the most underrated of all of Joe's coaching missteps.
Jaylen keeps getting off to torrid starts, and they just go away from him inexplicably.
It was a terrible play if it was the ghost of Bill Russell. You can’t leave a guy on the three point line in that situation.
The Celtics have lost both games in large part because they could not even manage a shot in a last possession need a bucket situation. They also did this multiple times in the regular season. It’s a systematic failing of this particular team. I don’t know how they fix it short of just leading by more points when the game gets late.
If Joe calls that timeout, what exactly are the substitutions that Doc makes? I would bet a lot of money he leaves that exact 5 in…since, you know, he didn’t make a single substitution before that
Multiple people are making the same exact point. You can remain stubborn, if you want.