Yes, he's first team last decade if Steph Curry is injured, and 2nd team if we go back to before SGA, Fox, Morant, and Mitchell arrived as mature players and the PG position wasn't deep.
General Offseason Thread.
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Yeah, he's been great for PDX and it's always tough to see someone like that go, regardless of the why. Anyway, for some reason (beer) I was a bit riled up last night when posting and calling people out. No hard feelings! And agreed on his rap, I tried to listen this morning and it's, well, it's something.
I'd be hard pressed to believe Herro adds to the win total over Lillard, even if the latter is disgruntled. I'd rather get Herro in asap; he should be in his prime when Scoot and co are ready to compete, which is probably a few years away. Might as well start seeing what you have in him now, they're going to have a lotto pick regardless.
It's funny how Dame might now be both overrated and underrated, depending on who you're talking to.
Just stop. You two are so far out of your element it's embarrassing. Stick to basketball. Calling Dame a bad rapper is absurd.
What tracks of his would you recommend then? I listened to Money Ball and Stuntin' on you - both just seemed pretty generic. Not awful, but certainly not good. Nothing to make me think that he would be a successful artist without his money/fame to throw at decent production.
The negative takes here are certainly eye opening. Some uniformed and some just completely biased. Lillard is not the perfect player - that person does not exist - but he is definitely in the discussion for top X players in the NBA.
The dude is most definitely an alpha and a huge impact player.
Yup. Dude is an awesome player and I want him nowhere near Miami. I remain intrigued with pairing him with Tatum. If he were 28-30 instead of almost 33, it would be a no brainer.
I’m incredibly high on Dame, and what a duo of him and Tatum would do on the court. Both of them warp defenses to absolutely absurd levels, and they’d both have more room to operate than they’ve ever had.
Celtics have the opportunity to make a kill shot offer, but most would not like it lol.
Brown has limited value due to his contract status, unless he agrees to sign an extension somewhere.
I think they'll explore it, but I think the most basic problem is there is no deal that makes sense for POR given Jaylen's contract situation.
If Jaylen could be extended (and would agree) there are good deals there that I think both sides would be interested in.
I think Dame is a nice fit and upgrade on Jaylen, just don't see the path to get there
I'd think a combo of Rob/Brogdon/picks/swaps would be competitive with what Miami could offer. Dame would have to agree to come here and even then I'm still not sure I'd do it (Dame will make 63 mil in 2026-27), but they do have the chips to make an offer without trading Jaylen.
Looking at Steph Curry’s age 33 and 34 seasons, and considering that there is a very good chance he will be excellent in his next season, and good in the following, and extrapolating that to Dame, would it be a good swap of possibly trading another six years of very good play from Jaylen Brown to three and possibly four years of proven, high level scoring, and proven, end of game in the playoffs bucket scoring from Lilliard?
If I get three years of high level play from Dame, and a title, I make that trade. The roster balance of having a top PG who can put up an efficient 30 a night, a top do it all wing who can give you 30, and a rim defending big who can both post and stretch the floor, is incredibly appealing.
Boston would have two years of control of Dame, who would have a $60 million option in year three. If he was happy here, he’s probably going to be amenable to spread that into a couple more seasons of guaranteed money as he plays out his career. I would have reluctantly made the JB for Durant deal last season, and would also make a JB for Dame deal now, if the opportunity was there.
He's a definitely a bad rapper but one of the best NBA rappers. That is a low bar.
Top 5 NBA rappers (ranked by how listenable their music was since they are all bad)
5. Dana Barros
4. Dame
3. Chris Webber
2. Cedric Ceballos
1. Shaq
Shaq couldn't rap but he did have a huge budget to buy some great guest raps and beats in the mid-90s.
I don't think that is competitive honestly, particularly with other teams like Brooklyn and Utah
Also, Wyc may spend and go over the second apron for a bit, but 200M+ a year for 3 years of 4 guys... Yeah he's probably not doing that.
Brooklyn and Utah can offer more, but would they? For one thing, he probably doesn't turn them into a legit contender before he starts to decline. And then there's the issue of Dame wanting to go there. Utah's not going to empty the chest on a guy who doesn't want to be there.
Right now Dame's list is one. I think Boston can at least match that offer. They also are in a position where doing so might make sense for the team, and enough of a contender where they might be able to persuade him to buy in.
Agreed, I don't think that offer even beats Miami. Rob/Brogdon might make the Blazers better next year (compared with Herro+), but there's very little upside for Portland for their timeline. Does anyone really think Rob is gonna get much better than what he is right now (solid rotation big with major injury concerns)? His primary value is athleticism, and he'll be 26 in October. First round picks from a team that will likely have Brown/Tatum locked up for the next 6-7 years aren't worth much, either.
I'm really not a Herro fan at all, either of his game or the fact that he's always getting hurt in the playoffs, but he's still just 23, is a legit scorer, and may still have all-star upside. Future 1st round picks from Miami, a team whose best players (if they get Dame) will be 33 and 34 entering the season, are a helluva lot more enticing than Boston's, even taking into account Miami's FA appeal and management team.
Miami's offer is pretty mediocre, but unless Boston and Portland are willing to role the dice on a Jaylen trade, it can definitely beat a Celtics' offer.
JT, JB, and Dame together would be amazing. If KP and AL could stay healthy for the playoffs, who is beating that team? It’s not my money, but I would definitely do it. Two players questionable to be or stay healthy for the playoffs, and future two draft in the 26-30 range, along with the possible lotto ticket 2024 Warriors pick (which also could be a late first round pick) for a proven crunch time killer on a team bereft of a playoff closer? Easy decision. Boston could also send Pritchard home in the deal. The Blazers could tank for a year, then reload with another top three pick and two more first round picks
Yeah but even if nobody else bids that offer is bad. Brogdon they have to flip for what? Expiring and 2nds? TL I would guess has less value than Herro. So now it's... 1 more bad 1st sooner and 1 more bad swap sooner vs Jovic and Jacquez and eating Nurk? The MIA offer while bad is still better.
Plus you piss off Dame, his agents, etc without getting a better deal.
Yeah, I'm with you. I wanted Durant for the same reason I'm intrigued by Dame. The shot making ability of a JT, Dame, KP trio would be incredible. Dame clearly is on the decline but if he's healthy, I'm betting on him being an elite or near elite scorer for next couple of years. I know we're all a little gunshy due to Kyrie and Kemba but both of those guys were very valuable to us when they were "right". It's easy to forget just how good Kemba was before his knee gave out.
JB's contract situation is going to be an interesting one to follow. The longer it goes unresolved, the more I'll believe that Brad is keeping his options open for a Dame-like move.
Could Rob and Brogdon be routed to other teams with needs to increase their odds as contenders, with draft capital and expirings to Portland being more appealing to the Blazers to acquiring Herro on a team that is already paying Simons to do a lot of the same things? Plus they are high on Sharpe.
If Portland didn’t want to tank, having Brogdon to mentor Scoot,, and having an athletic center to defend the rim on a team with Grant at PF would be a stronger roster than having a one dimensional scorer like Herro. If it wasnt working, they could more either of the two Boston players for some draft capital.
I could see it either way. Depends on how they view Herro -- reports are that opinions on him vary quite a bit. I know I would be mad if the Cs traded Rob and Brogdon for him. It also might be a matter of how many picks teams are willing to give up. Miami might not be willing to go as far as "every pick/swap we can legally offer, unprotected". I definitely would not be surprised if they were unwilling to offer picks 4+ years down the road with zero protections. So if the Cs are willing to offer more, that might make up for the fact that the Heat picks project to be better.
Interesting. My first job out of high school started before I graduated and was at Rocafella working on the street team in 2001 during the Blueprint rollout all summer. My cousin is currently running around with Jadakiss doing interviews and freestyles, etc., and is pretty well known nationally and in Boston, so I’ve gotten to spend some time around them, Lupe and Cormega fairly consistently for quite some time. But I’m sure I’m out of my element because some weirdo SoSH said so.
I forgot that “posts in the hip hop thread that mention Black Thought” was the barometer for hip hop knowledge here though, so I’ll go watch Sway’s YouTube channel and reference Dilated Peoples more often so I can get on your level, OG.
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Good for Portland. Teams should push back against these forces arrangements. That said, if you’re another team, are you giving up major assets and risking Dame not playing ball, and just doing the minimum to fulfill his obligations like Harden? If it doesn’t involve Jaylen, I’d take that risk. Ditto if I’m Brooklyn and keep Bridges.
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I would think he could be persuaded, like KG was. Certainly worth a shot, if things get that far.
Before Jokic, Dame was my favorite non Celtic. He is such a badass. Saying he is going to be a bad value going forward is one thing, acting like the guy was not an absolutely great basketball player is weird. If you are doing that you are a fucking weird person that needs mental health treatment.
Most of the anti-Dame slant has to be him saying he wants to go to Miami and be a part of Heat Culture", right? I think it's pretty bullshit to say "I only want (a very small but important word here)to go to X team", especially because Dame can feign that he "sacrificed" so much by staying in Portland as long as he did, all the while he made a mind-boggling sum that helped hamstring a franchise stuck in first and second round purgatory.
With that being addressed, he's an assassin. No moment is too big for him. He's phenomenal to watch.
I think most of us are just fucking pissed thinking about him in South Beach. He might be a hypocrite, but so is every NBA player and most people you'll meet. "Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself".
With that being addressed, he's an assassin. No moment is too big for him. He's phenomenal to watch.
I think most of us are just fucking pissed thinking about him in South Beach. He might be a hypocrite, but so is every NBA player and most people you'll meet. "Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself".
My guess is he'll eventually relent if/when he realizes that Miami isn't happening (at least I hope this is how it plays out). No idea what colors his impression of Boston but you can't be dropped into a much better situation. There are only so many landing spots for a guy like Dame.
If I'm Dame, I'm looking at Miami, Boston, and Philly...teams that are all right there with established stars.
The basic problem with a non-jaylen trade is it comes down to bad picks and guys they don't want each of whom mostly has value to contenders, so you're spinning out 4 or 5 team seals that never work, and half the value or more is coming from someone else.
If Dame said Boston or Miami nowhere else, and Wyc said "I'll go full Lacob" maybe a non-Jaylen deal happens, but the best chance of Dame being a Celtic is Jaylen promising Portland he'd re-sign and them believing it
If Dame said Boston or Miami nowhere else, and Wyc said "I'll go full Lacob" maybe a non-Jaylen deal happens, but the best chance of Dame being a Celtic is Jaylen promising Portland he'd re-sign and them believing it
He’s good buddies with Kyrie, so you def know you can take him at his word on these issues.
I'm surprised the Lakers haven't popped up in the Dame discussions. They don't have a ton of draft capital ('29 1st, Clippers '24 2nd, Lakers & Clippers '25 2nd, maybe they can offer a pick swap in the year the Pels don't take their 1st (?), '28 swap, '30 2nd).
& they probably don't really have an interesting package of players available unless Reaves can be traded (?), buuuuut the LeBron/Lillard/AD fit is kind of crazy so I would expect to hear about it even if it's not plausible.
& they probably don't really have an interesting package of players available unless Reaves can be traded (?), buuuuut the LeBron/Lillard/AD fit is kind of crazy so I would expect to hear about it even if it's not plausible.
That's what most superstar trades come down to. You think the Wiz went into the offseason wondering if they could find a way to get Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, a bunch of 2nd round picks and some 1st round swaps they probably won't exercise?
I think Dame's age works in the Celtics' favor if they have to compete with Utah or Brooklyn. Will those teams really give up multiple assets for a guy about to be 33? Just doesn't seem to make much sense. Brooklyn, of all teams, should be looking to take a longer-term outlook given their recent issues with stars.
100%. He likes Pop. Wemby is in place. They have a ton of picks and useful pieces to send back. Lots of cap space flexibility. Real question is how good SA thinks Wemby can be in short order given Lillard's age.
For a much worse players on a no trade.
The point is POR has lots of options as good or better than the Celtics offer and most get them at least 1 guy they want or cap relief, Boston can do neither.
Of course this also all ignores that no way is Wyc paying that tax, it would be warriors plus
There are many theoretical offers that would trump the Cs. But what matter are the offers from that teams Dame would happily report to would actually make. Can the Cs win that contest? I don't know. But it's worth finding out (if, as you say, they are willing to deal with implications - I don't know the answer there either).
Nurkic and Dame for a handful of the picks below seems like a win-win:
2024 NBA Draft Picks
- Spurs First-Round Pick
- Hornets First-Round Pick (Lottery Protected)
- Raptors First-Round Pick (Top-Six Protected)
- Lakers Second-Round Pick
- Pelicans Second-Round Pick
- Spurs First-Round Pick
- Bulls First-Round Pick (Top-Ten Protected)
- Hawks First-Round Pick
- Spurs Second-Round Pick
- Bulls Second-Round Pick
- Raptors Second-Round Pick
For what it’s worth, I was hanging out last night in PDX with an ex-player who is in the know and he’s putting his money on San Antonio.
Lillard is a pretty fucking incredible player, he's always come across like slightly lesser version of Curry (I mean that in the best possible way). He's also gotten a bit of a free pass from criticism because he's fun to watch and expectations for him and his teams has always been pretty low. Fun fact: Playoff assassin and 11 year vet Damian Lillard has fewer playoff series wins (4) than noted playoff disappointment and 7 year vet Joel Embiid (5). Circumstances are what they are (KG had just 2 playoff series wins before coming to Boston in year 13), but Dame enjoys a pretty healthy playoff rep for a guy who has been out of the first round just 3x in 11 years.
Feel like the shot against Houston is what put that rep into overdrive. But it’s a fair point to make about NBA narratives.
Curry is a full 50 points better from 3 for his career, .372 against .428. Lillard has one season above .400, at /401, Steph has one season below .400 (aside from that one year he played 5 games). 2 point shooting is closer but there's a big gap still. He's not slightly lesser than curry, he is not close. Lillard gets probably more credit for his shooting than is due because of the really long ones he hits.
He's really good but I don't understand how he got on the top 75 list.
Yeah Dame is a great offensive player, he doesn't deserve to be in any conversation with Steph who is floating around top 10 ever levels, he's basically rich man's Trae.. Which is really good
Shams has crossed into Heymans/Scott Boras territory with Rich Paul. He’s now crediting him when his restricted free agent client signs a qualifying offer. Bonus points for including “CEO” and the agency name. And the cherry on top is it’s for the biggest POS in the league.
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