Giancarlo Stanton Traded To Yankees

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Well, for starters, Clint Frazier would now seem to be much more available as a trade chip if needed. Also I don't know if Hicks is in their long-term plans, Florial is a year or two away and Hicks is signed through 2019.
Fair enough but am I wrong? I do understand that even with luxury tax considerations, teams like the Yankees still have more flexibility than, say, the Marlins. So it’s not like the Yankees are screwed for a generation if this deal doesn’t work out.

Let me ask: as a fan, were you clamoring for this deal? This team looked positively ascendent last year – poised for many years of competitive play and a disturbing (and frankly, un-Yankee-like) lack of payroll commitment. With the Stanton acquisition, that changes.

Don’t get me wrong: this team is going to murder baseballs for a long time. But this deal just seems to be a huge commitment of resources for a single player that as great as he is he doesn’t address any of the weaknesses the team faces. Perhaps more importantly, it adds a not-insignificant amount of risk to the team’s longterm plans (which for slightly different reasons was the main reason I didn’t want him to come to Red Sox).

It just seems weird to me – particularly so soon after finally getting out from a decade of being under the thumb of the Arod deal. As a player or personality I don’t want to compare Stanton to Arod for obvious reasons. But sometimes the best deals are the ones you don’t make.
 

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The other shoe in this will be how Dombrowski overreacts
 

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On the surface of things seems like a fair deal for both sides. Statnon's contract really limits his value on the trade market.

Castro is not a terrible get for the Marlins. Didn't realize he had 3 years of control remaining.
Only way Castro isn't a worse get for Miami is if his first name is Fidel or Raul. Miami got missile-bombed.
 

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I think this was NY's thinking until a few days ago also, but the Stanton deal looks like it will be around 10/260, the prospects are still not specifically reported but seem to be guys who are years away, plus they got rid of Castro's 2/24 deal. Harper's deal could be close to double that.
I'm not thrilled with the trade, but the reasoning above has me coming around. There are no guarantees that Harper or Machado would sign, and their costs could well be much higher than whatever Stanton's financial impact turns out to be for the Yankees.

I just want to know the prospects involved.
 

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Fair enough but am I wrong? I do understand that even with luxury tax considerations, teams like the Yankees still have more flexibility than, say, the Marlins. So it’s not like the Yankees are screwed for a generation if this deal doesn’t work out.

Let me ask: as a fan, were you clamoring for this deal? This team looked positively ascendent last year – poised for many years of competitive play and a disturbing (and frankly, un-Yankee-like) lack of payroll commitment. With the Stanton acquisition, that changes.

Don’t get me wrong: this team is going to murder baseballs for a long time. But this deal just seems to be a huge commitment of resources for a single player that as great as he is he doesn’t address any of the weaknesses the team faces. Perhaps more importantly, it adds a not-insignificant amount of risk to the team’s longterm plans (which for slightly different reasons was the main reason I didn’t want him to come to Red Sox).

It just seems weird to me – particularly so soon after finally getting out from a decade of being under the thumb of the Arod deal. As a player or personality I don’t want to compare Stanton to Arod for obvious reasons. But sometimes the best deals are the ones you don’t make.
I mean, we haven't seen the actual deal yet, so it's hard to opine too much on it specifically. I agree with you in general, but this also helps to make NY younger (Torres is 21 and will be the 2B by May or June, Ellsbury will now certainly be jettisoned one way or another, Stanton is still 28).
 

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Fair enough but am I wrong? I do understand that even with luxury tax considerations, teams like the Yankees still have more flexibility than, say, the Marlins. So it’s not like the Yankees are screwed for a generation if this deal doesn’t work out.

Let me ask: as a fan, were you clamoring for this deal? This team looked positively ascendent last year – poised for many years of competitive play and a disturbing (and frankly, un-Yankee-like) lack of payroll commitment. With the Stanton acquisition, that changes.
Well, I think all Yankees were factoring a huge acquisition next season, as part of this new rebuilt team Yankee team post Jeter-era. It just happened a year early, everything has happened for the Yankees a year early.
 

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Nearly a year to the day that Yankees GM Brian Cashman anointed the Boston Red Sox “the Golden State Warriors of baseball,” it is Cashman who is on the verge of completing a Kevin Durant-type move for a team that was one game away from his sport’s championship last season in acquiring Giancarlo Stanton. Even with Stanton, the Yankees are expected to remain below the luxury tax, which means they could still very well be players for Manny Machado or, as crazy as it sounds, Bryce Harper during next winter's free agent bonanza.
 

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This is probably true from a positional perspective, assuming no career-changing injuries for Judge or Stanton this season. From a financial perspective, I think they could still be in on Machado if they think it makes sense, though.
This is actually quite possible even if they sign Sabathia to a 1 year 17-18 million dollar deal. I've got an article about this in the editing pipeline for dot com.

Edit: I mean trading for him now. Not signing him next winter.
 

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Factoring in regression and Sanchez locked into catching, not that scary. Until of course Harper or Machado is added.
 

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This is actually quite possible even if they sign Sabathia to a 1 year 17-18 million dollar deal. I've got an article about this in the editing pipeline for dot com.

Edit: I mean trading for him now. Not signing him next winter.
I don’t think there’s any chance they trade for him and help BAL reload, I meant as a FA if they decide Andujar isn’t the answer there.
 

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Like that AL East GM said, time to make sure your bullpen is loaded with RH relievers. You'll need them to take on the NY right handed power late in games.
 

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This kind of sucks, but it actually doesn't bother me that much. They traded for a ginormous contract. If I'm paying that kind of money, I'd much, much rather sign out of the free agent pool and not give up prospects. They've got him until he's 37 now too. If I'm going to have a guy for the next decade at crazy money, I think I'd much rather sign Harper next year, who's three years younger, and not give up prospects.

Marlins are giving them $35 million, which would cover his last 2 years (if the Yankees do the buyout in his last season)

So they're only paying him until 36 technically, so not that bad
 

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I don't think he'll play in New York for the life of the contract. If he hits 50+ homers the next couple of years won't he opt out?
What scared me most about that contract wasn't that he could opt out in two or three years. It's the fact that Stanton has a player option every single year after that. He can opt out whenever he wishes. That would make it very, very difficult to do any long term roster planning.

Here's a link suggesting Stanton has re-occuring player options.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2721523-giancarlo-stanton-reportedly-traded-to-yankees?share=other

Signed to a 13-year, $325 million deal in 2014, Stanton will make $77 million guaranteed from 2018 through 2020. Once the 2020 season comes to a close, Stanton has a player option every year from 2021 to 2027, with payouts that reach as much as $32 million from 2023 to 2025.
 
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What scared me most about that contract wasn't that he could opt out in two or three years. It's the fact that Stanton has a player option every single year after that. He can opt out whenever he wishes. That would make it very, very difficult to do any long term roster planning.
I don’t see this as part of his contract on Cots and it’s the first I’ve heard of it, where are you seeing that?
 

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The other shoe in this will be how Dombrowski overreacts
I hope he under-reacts.

Barring injury, this substantially nails the season for NY (I'm curious how Las Vegas will treat this). The 2017 Yankees were one game away from the WS. The 2018 Yankees are substantially better.

I hope the Red Sox lay low and wrap up the kids. I want them to be a little more Astor and a little less Yankee. Even Yankee fans acknowledge it's more fun to root for a home grown team because it's long term pleasure versus instant gratification.

BTW, why aren't people assuming Stanton's the full time DH? I'd imagine that improves his health outlook.
 

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I hope he under-reacts.

Barring injury, this substantially nails the season for NY (I'm curious how Las Vegas will treat this). The 2017 Yankees were one game away from the WS. The 2018 Yankees are substantially better.

I hope the Red Sox lay low and wrap up the kids. I want them to be a little more Astor and a little less Yankee. Even Yankee fans acknowledge it's more fun to root for a home grown team because it's long term pleasure versus instant gratification.

BTW, why aren't people assuming Stanton's the full time DH? I'd imagine that improves his health outlook.
This is true. But is also fun to be able to do both!

This doesn't change the young Yankee core at all, and their is much much more in the pipeline.
 

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Even Yankee fans acknowledge it's more fun to root for a home grown team because it's long term pleasure versus instant gratification.
I agree. I'm very happy to be rooting for a team that looks to be substantially built on home grown talent now and into the very near future.
 

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Sorry if this not insightful analysis but "lol boo hoo."
Perfectly legit take. In fact, it's a pretty popular response to Bill's bitching...
This is huge for YES and MLB as the Yankees will be on every national game possible and Yankee fans love boppers. Francesa must be fully engorged this morning.
 

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Eh, they're under the LT for now, but all those cheap kids ain't gonna stay cheap forever.
You know what will be interesting, whether the Yankees sign Judge to a long term deal. I was thinking about this last week, but he is kind of old for a rookie. They may try to buy out some of his years and lock him up through 33 or 34, but if they let him get to free agency at 30/31 it may be wise to let him walk.
 

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Would it make sense to just do small updates this offseason, see where our kids are after this year and maybe make a play on Harper next offseason?
 

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They have more behind this group too.
I don’t know. Lots of Sox folks around here seemed to have more fun when Yankees were not just good but *seemed* to be invincible.

Bring it on.

Can’t wait for Sale vs. MFYs and a Kimbrel vs Judge, Stanton, Sanchez 9th inning in a 2-1 game this summer. It’s why we watch guys/gals.
 

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Sorry - the '2' refereed to the value of the total contract, as in $200 million plus.

The Red Sox *need* JDM now - no way they can spin lesser bats as a response to Stanton in pinstripes. Various posters were theorizing that Boras's demand for a $200 million could be negotiated down. No way that happens now (if there ever was a chance, which seemed to be wishful thinking IMO).
I don't see taking on an insane contract to outslug the Yankees as the only path forward. Doesn't pitching work too? If the Sox need a slugger, it's not because the Yankees got one, it's because their lineup wasn't scoring enough runs in general.
 

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Guzman is a very legit prospect although still far away, probably on the fringe of the top 100 with a lot of upside. I talked about him some in the minor league thread a few days ago, and he may be the single hardest throwing pitcher in baseball, on any level.

Devers is even farther away, an inexpensive summer 2016 international signing.

Pretty curious to see what else Cashman has planned now, this offseason may be a bit more active for NY than anyone expected.
 

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Can’t wait for Sale vs. MFYs and a Kimbrel vs Judge, Stanton, Sanchez 9th inning in a 2-1 game this summer. It’s why we watch guys/gals.
It's maybe why you watch. Now that I've seen the Red Sox win three titles, I'm of the mind that works best for the game of baseball is when there's hope in the majority of cities that have teams.

Entering an NBA-type situation where only two or three teams can win the title is boring beyond belief.
 

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Entering an NBA-type situation where only two or three teams can win the title is boring beyond belief.
I think the list of extremely loaded teams is a lot more than that, even if you don't want to include Boston, which you should. HOU, LAD, CLE, CHC, WAS plus the wild-card Angels with Trout and Ohtani, plus the two AL East teams.
 

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I think the list of extremely loaded teams is a lot more than that, even if you don't want to include Boston, which you should. HOU, LAD, CLE, CHC, WAS plus the wild-card Angels with Trout and Ohtani, plus the two AL East teams.
False modesty doesn't suit you. I'd say the Dodgers, Cubs and Yankees -- as it stands -- are the only teams with a chance to win the WS
 

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It's maybe why you watch. Now that I've seen the Red Sox win three titles, I'm of the mind that works best for the game of baseball is when there's hope in the majority of cities that have teams.

Entering an NBA-type situation where only two or three teams can win the title is boring beyond belief.
I don’t find the NBA boring at all.

I have enough on my plate to not really care all that much if NBA fans in Memphis are bored. Or MLB fans in KC.
 

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False modesty doesn't suit you. I'd say the Dodgers, Cubs and Yankees -- as it stands -- are the only teams with a chance to win the WS

I love ya E5, but you’re overly maudlin about this. You just said the AL is done and dusted for next 5 years?
 

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I don’t find the NBA boring at all.

I have enough on my plate to not really care all that much if NBA fans in Memphis are bored. Or MLB fans in KC.
Like I said ... it's why you watch. You said in your post that we all should agree. I don't.

I care more about the health of the sport than the jersey I root for. I also care more about the country than the political party of the people I vote for.

People are different