Giancarlo Stanton Traded To Yankees

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Sorry - the '2' refereed to the value of the total contract, as in $200 million plus.

The Red Sox *need* JDM now - no way they can spin lesser bats as a response to Stanton in pinstripes. Various posters were theorizing that Boras's demand for a $200 million could be negotiated down. No way that happens now (if there ever was a chance, which seemed to be wishful thinking IMO).
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I am just not seeing it though. Stanton to the Yankees will not drive up JD's price. If the market was 6/150, why would we or any other team, suddenly need to pay 6/200 as a response to an already existing contract moving to the bronx? The demand for Martinez did not change.
 

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The Marlins certainly could have called his bluff though. That list might have expanded over the next month as the team got stripped down around him.
The thing was that it seemed to be less about this year's payroll and more about long-term debt, and moving Stanton was the only way to really attack this, and it needed to be done ASAP. If they had kept him and he had gotten hurt yet again, they just couldn't take that chance.
 

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The Marlins certainly could have called his bluff though. That list might have expanded over the next month as the team got stripped down around him.
Well a few things-- one, that assumes it was a bluff. There are worse things than playing baseball in Miami and making $30M a year.

Second, it could speak to Jeter's inexperience as an owner to not wait out Stanton. Then again, with such a limited array of options, with him already rejecting two trade offers, Jeter and Co. may have felt that waiting might have taken the Yankees out of the picture. In another month the Yankees could have added salary, making a trade for Stanton that much harder.
 

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My mistake.

I am just not seeing it though. Stanton to the Yankees will not drive up JD's price. If the market was 6/150, why would we or any other team, suddenly need to pay 6/200 as a response to an already existing contract moving to the bronx? The demand for Martinez did not change.
The eBay bidding price is usually lower when there are fewer bids.
 

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The thing was that it seemed to be less about this year's payroll and more about long-term debt, and moving Stanton was the only way to really attack this, and it needed to be done ASAP. If they had kept him and he had gotten hurt yet again, they just couldn't take that chance.
Harry Frazee understands.
 

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Sorry - the '2' refereed to the value of the total contract, as in $200 million plus.

The Red Sox *need* JDM now - no way they can spin lesser bats as a response to Stanton in pinstripes. Various posters were theorizing that Boras's demand for a $200 million could be negotiated down. No way that happens now (if there ever was a chance, which seemed to be wishful thinking IMO).
I agree that Martinez would be someone they should go hard after. But it DOES mean a glut in the OF, unless they either move Martinez to 1b or DH, the latter of which would force Hanley to 1b or get traded for a bucket of balls.

If neither of those is going to happen, it means the Sox would then have to make a trade, and JBJ is the most likely candidate. Then trade JBJ for a 1b with some power. Or go the platoon route and trade JBJ for prospects and sign Matt Adams to platoon with Travis.

Adams vs RHP (career): .286/.333/.495/.828
Travis vs LHP: .381/.458/.500/.958 (SSS)

That could be a fairly potent 1b combination if you platoon them, though the defense would be shaky.

Lineup:
SS Bogaerts
CF Benintendi
RF Betts
LF Martinez
1b Adams/Travis
DH Hanley
3b Devers
C Vazquez
2b Pedroia when he returns; until then, whomever

That's not as good as the Yankee lineup, but that's a lot more power for not a crazy amount more cost compared to 2017. Your defense is weakened some, but you also add the prospect(s) you get for JBJ.
 

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The thing was that it seemed to be less about this year's payroll and more about long-term debt, and moving Stanton was the only way to really attack this, and it needed to be done ASAP. If they had kept him and he had gotten hurt yet again, they just couldn't take that chance.
I hear you, but it's December 9. Maybe all the possible trade destinations would have disappeared in a month, but probably not. I guess the real question is whether or not Stanton really would have minded playing for a AAAA Miami team, when his stated desire was to play for a winner. My guess is that he would want to leave as much as they wanted to get rid of him.
But then again, if all Jeter really cared about was getting rid of the salary with little to no concern about the return, then yeah, why not just get it done now.
 

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The Giants and Cardinals coming out publicly saying that they were out didn't do the Marlins any favors either.
 

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The Giants and Cardinals coming out publicly saying that they were out didn't do the Marlins any favors either.
But that was all on the Marlins for not actually talking to Stanton beforehand and seeing what teams he would approve.
 

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Not sweating this too much. It feels, to me, like Stanton just had his career year last year despite his relative youth, and it's all downhill from here. Plus, the Yankees better invest in a bubble wrap company, because he needs it. It wouldn't surprise me if he misses at least 30 games in 7 of the 10 seasons.
 

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Not sweating this too much. It feels, to me, like Stanton just had his career year last year despite his relative youth, and it's all downhill from here. Plus, the Yankees better invest in a bubble wrap company, because he needs it. It wouldn't surprise me if he misses at least 30 games in 7 of the 10 seasons.
Sure, that's one way of looking at it. The other way is that Fenway is going to need to make that wall higher.
 

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Not sweating this too much. It feels, to me, like Stanton just had his career year last year despite his relative youth, and it's all downhill from here. Plus, the Yankees better invest in a bubble wrap company, because he needs it. It wouldn't surprise me if he misses at least 30 games in 7 of the 10 seasons.
The ZIPS projections that Szymborski did for ESPN a few weeks ago have Stanton missing 30+ games in 7 of the 10 seasons as you say, and still putting up 45.8 WAR and 377 HRs.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21446022/projecting-giancarlo-stanton-2018-27-seasons-potential-landing-spot
 

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Maybe Stanton just had an outlier season. Or maybe he just hit his 27-year launching point, which happens to a lot of guys. Healthy and 27 and absolutely wrecking the ball - if he stays healthy he'll probably be a monster the next 4 years, especially surrounded by Judge, Sanchez, and Gregorius.
 

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But that was all on the Marlins for not actually talking to Stanton beforehand and seeing what teams he would approve.
Not to defending Miami. SF and ST. Louis definitely felt they got burned by somebody. Miami likely could be the culprit.
 

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That could very well be true. And it could be a lot worse than that too.

I'm just trying to keep part of this board from collapsing on itself and trying to keep people from jumping off of the ledge.
 

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Sure, that's one way of looking at it. The other way is that Fenway is going to need to make that wall higher.
Nobody here would be making those declarations if he'd been sent to any other team. But completely understandable. You have to console yourself somehow when your rival makes a splash like this. Lots of Yankee fans did the same thing when the Red Sox got Price and Sale.

As a Yankee fan, part of me is giddy, but the other is kind of down about it. There'd be something a lot more satisfying about winning with the team they had without Stanton. Winning WITH him won't feel as great because now it's almost expected.

It's why 1996 means more to me than 2009, and why winning this past season would have meant the most.
 

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As a Sox fan, this obviously hurts in the near term. Stanton makes an already great lineup incredible. But I can’t help but think that they didn’t need to make this move – and that making it limits their longterm options.

This was already a very good team. The area where there were question marks going forward were in the pitching staff – and before this deal they had a lot of flexibility to shore that area up. I’m not exactly sure how but I can’t see how $300M doesn’t mean the Yankees will have a) less to spend on pitching and b) fewer resources to lock up Judge/Sanchez/Hicks longterm.

Maybe I’m missing something but this isn’t 2004 anymore – luxury taxes put a ceiling on what even the teams like the Yankees can spend. And if I were the Red Sox rather than starting an arms race and being scared into giving a guy like JD Martinez $200M to compete in 2018 I’d be thinking more about how to position myself for the next 3-4 years – and maybe start by beginning to lock up guys like Betts.
 

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This was already a very good team. The area where there were question marks going forward were in the pitching staff – and before this deal they had a lot of flexibility to shore that area up. I’m not exactly sure how but I can’t see how $300M doesn’t mean the Yankees will have a) less to spend on pitching and b) fewer resources to lock up Judge/Sanchez/Hicks longterm.
Well, for starters, Clint Frazier would now seem to be much more available as a trade chip if needed. Also I don't know if Hicks is in their long-term plans, Florial is a year or two away and Hicks is signed through 2019.
 

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Nobody here would be making those declarations if he'd been sent to any other team. But completely understandable. You have to console yourself somehow when your rival makes a splash like this. Lots of Yankee fans did the same thing when the Red Sox got Price and Sale.

As a Yankee fan, part of me is giddy, but the other is kind of down about it. There'd be something a lot more satisfying about winning with the team they had without Stanton. Winning WITH him won't feel as great because now it's almost expected.

It's why 1996 means more to me than 2009, and why winning this past season would have meant the most.
Dude. How about they make the playoffs and get to the WS before they win and you don't feel great about it.
 

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Simmons is pissed...

Bill Simmons‏Verified account @BillSimmons 1h1 hour ago
A quick recap: Jeter bought the Marlins using mostly other people’s money, completely gutted them, pushed out a bunch of longtime employees, and traded their once-in-a-Generation player to the Yankees.

There's been some comps to what McHale did for the Celtics by hooking them up with the KG trade.
The history of big player for pu-pu platter deals is that the side getting the big player almost always wins. I'm expecting this to be the same. Yankees won this big and 'Yeah, Jetes' handed them the keys. At least Cafardo is happy this morning.
 

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On the surface of things seems like a fair deal for both sides. Statnon's contract really limits his value on the trade market.

Castro is not a terrible get for the Marlins. Didn't realize he had 3 years of control remaining.
 

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He is not very pricy but also he is not very good, worst defensive 2B in the AL last year.
Yeah, I mean, I more or less consider this a massive FA signing by the Yankees. Which is probably what any Stanton deal would look like. Was surprised that the Giants were ever considered, to be honest. I guess that old Bonds connection held some sway.
 

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I’m actually surprised. Of the six MFY fans I’ve texted “F Jeter” to this morning, four aren’t thrilled. They were enjoying not being “same old Yankees approach” and rooting for the kids.
The problem is they didn't give up any of the "kids" in the majors or any of the good "kids" in the minors.
 

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Takes them out on Harper at least. I hope.
This is probably true from a positional perspective, assuming no career-changing injuries for Judge or Stanton this season. From a financial perspective, I think they could still be in on Machado if they think it makes sense, though.
 

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I’m actually surprised. Of the six MFY fans I’ve texted “F Jeter” to this morning, four aren’t thrilled. They were enjoying not being “same old Yankees approach” and rooting for the kids.

The Yankees were better in the first half, before Holiday got sick. Judge was better with him in the lineup too.

Stanton is now taking Holiday's spot. No real Yankee fan is bitching today.
 

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The Yankees were better in the first half, before Holiday got sick. Judge was better with him in the lineup too.

Stanton is now taking Holiday's spot. No real Yankee fan is bitching today.
Not only does Stanton replace Holliday they’ll get a full year of a seemingly healthy Greg Bird to replace all those Chris Carter/Headley at 1B/etc ABs.
 

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And another great Cash move was only going 1 year on Holliday and not 2.

Cash seems to get better with age
 

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Simmons is pissed...

Bill Simmons‏Verified account @BillSimmons 1h1 hour ago
A quick recap: Jeter bought the Marlins using mostly other people’s money, completely gutted them, pushed out a bunch of longtime employees, and traded their once-in-a-Generation player to the Yankees.
Sorry if this not insightful analysis but "lol boo hoo."

Moving on, this frees up the Yankees to trade Clint Frazier and another hight octane arm in their top 10 for solid pitcher. Michael Fulmer/Gerrit Cole-types have to be on the radar now.
 

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So how good a propsect is it going to take to get some sucker to take Ellsbury off of your hands? And how much salary?
I mean, if you bundle him with Frazier, I'd think some team would jump at that and pick up the entire deal, but we'll see what Cashman has in mind.
 

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Not sweating this too much. It feels, to me, like Stanton just had his career year last year despite his relative youth, and it's all downhill from here. Plus, the Yankees better invest in a bubble wrap company, because he needs it. It wouldn't surprise me if he misses at least 30 games in 7 of the 10 seasons.
I wouldn't start counting those chickens just yet...

Eno Sarris did a piece on Stanton about a month ago and dug into the injury concerns as part of it.

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-case-for-acquiring-stanton/

The takeaway?

Rob Arthur looked into this over at Baseball Prospectus and found an equation that predicted injury fairly well. Follow that equation, and Stanton should be predicted to miss… seven games next year. Even if the slugger hit the 10-day DL to rest his tree trunks, his new team would probably take the production in the other 150 or so games.
 

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This kind of sucks, but it actually doesn't bother me that much. They traded for a ginormous contract. If I'm paying that kind of money, I'd much, much rather sign out of the free agent pool and not give up prospects. They've got him until he's 37 now too. If I'm going to have a guy for the next decade at crazy money, I think I'd much rather sign Harper next year, who's three years younger, and not give up prospects.
 

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He makes the Yankees a lot better but if he’s good and healthy and Harper and Machado reset the market to $400 million or more he opts out, they don’t necessarily have him until he’s 37.
 

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This kind of sucks, but it actually doesn't bother me that much. They traded for a ginormous contract. If I'm paying that kind of money, I'd much, much rather sign out of the free agent pool and not give up prospects. They've got him until he's 37 now too. If I'm going to have a guy for the next decade at crazy money, I think I'd much rather sign Harper next year, who's three years younger, and not give up prospects.
I think this was NY's thinking until a few days ago also, but the Stanton deal looks like it will be around 10/260, the prospects are still not specifically reported but seem to be guys who are years away, plus they got rid of Castro's 2/24 deal. Harper's deal could be close to double that.