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SemperFidelisSox

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“We have internal options and then there’s free agency and the draft” is going to be said many times over the coming years as they look for the next franchise quarterback.
 

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Wow. Tampa.

When the idea first started circulating it made a fair amount of sense and I think all of us recognized it could happen, but to hear that it actually is happening? Crazy. Just not how I would have seen it ending.

Arians seems like he's pretty different from Belichick. I think Brady is going to have some culture shock. Though I don't think for a minute he won't adapt. That offense will be excellent.
They were 3rd in the NFL in points last year. They were 29th in points on defense.
 

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Yup. Brees, Ryan, if healthy Cam are all better than Brady at this point in time.
Shirley you can’t be serious. At no point in his career, and certainly not now, has Newton ever been better than Brady. Brees I can’t argue, but I would definitely argue Newton and probably Ryan. Sure Ryan has had statistically great seasons, but I’m just not seeing it.
 

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They were 3rd in the NFL in points last year. They were 29th in points on defense.
How many of those points allowed were due to Winston's 30 INTs? Brady prob won't throw for as many yards because he'll focus on throwing to his team a bit more than Winston ever did.
 

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How many of those points allowed were due to Winston's 30 INTs? Brady prob won't throw for as many yards because he'll focus on throwing to his team a bit more than Winston ever did.
Exactly. When Brady is controlling the clock and throwing it to the defense twice a game, all the talking heads will be commenting on how “underrated” the defense is and how they “really gelled into a good unit this year.”
 

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How many of those points allowed were due to Winston's 30 INTs? Brady prob won't throw for as many yards because he'll focus on throwing to his team a bit more than Winston ever did.
Absolutely. But it's not like they couldn't score last year and Jameis doesn't account for all the defensive problems. And their kicker kind of sucked.
 

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Yup. Brees, Ryan, if healthy Cam are all better than Brady at this point in time.
dude Cam fucking sucks. Is this serious? Cam blows. 2015 is ancient history. Cam wasn't better even then.
Most overrated player since Elway.
 

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Absolutely. But it's not like they couldn't score last year and Jameis doesn't account for all the defensive problems. And their kicker kind of sucked.
Winston accounts for a lot of them. He threw SEVEN pick-sixes and Bucs opponents had the third-best average starting field position beyond that. The D finished a respectable 17th in points per drive against and a very good sixth in yards per drive against. They were fifth or something in DVOA. There's a lot of reason to believe they could be a pretty good D with a QB who takes care of the football.
 

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I find it hard to blame anyone. I would want to blame BB because he could have just signed TB12, but then I read his wonderful quote about Tom and I realize this is the probably the best end for the Pats and TB12 (not the fans). Pats can start to move on and build for the future and Brady finally has some real offensive talent again.
 

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Beyond baffling he is choosing to end the greatest career in the history of sports with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And he signed with the only team that wanted him. Come back Tom this has to be a mistake.
Let's not confuse only one offer with no other team wanting him.
 

DJnVa

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At least get some decent uniforms. Seeing Brady in one of those outfits is going to be sickening enough. Go back to the all-white John McKay ones.
They're going back to the ones they wore during the Dunn/Alstott days.
 

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Who is the new Boston athlete alpha dog? Jayson Tatum?
Late on responding to this question, but imo thanks to Tom Brady, you have to actually win something to be the Boston athlete alpha dog .

He’s a fine young player, but it’s not Jayson Tatum. Jayson Tatum hasn’t won shit.

The list started with Brady in 2001 - 2020. As of today, it’s Bergeron for the remaining time on his career.
 

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TB12 provided us with 20 years of absolute, sheer NFL....lunacy. What else can you call it? Thanks for the memories and the camaraderie I was able to share with so many across this great land. Nothing comes close to this ride we had. Nothing.
 

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TB12 provided us with 20 years of absolute, sheer NFL....lunacy. What else can you call it? Thanks for the memories and the camaraderie I was able to share with so many across this great land. Nothing comes close to this ride we had. Nothing.

yeah u are right elway was close with 15 years but had a bad td/int statline maybe brady can be gm of NE in 15 years
 
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My take: Its stupid, and it sucks, and in the minds of most it’s going to tarnish the legacies of Brady (Couldn’t win without Belichick!!), Belichick (couldn’t win without Brady!!), and the Patriots (crappy organization that only won because of Brady!!).

But civilization is ending soon so I don’t really care.
 

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My take: Its stupid, and it sucks, and in the minds of most it’s going to tarnish the legacies of Brady (Couldn’t win without Belichick!!), Belichick (couldn’t win without Brady!!), and the Patriots (crappy organization that only won because of Brady!!).

But civilization is ending soon so I don’t really care.
ne still made 2 super bowls without brady and was in that 1996 game utill late 3rd q when if bill p was not thinking about leaveing for your hateing rivals maybe he doubles reggie white in the 2nd haif and makes the green bay LB'S DT'S beat him
 

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My first favorite was Dan Marino. Pretty sure his last was a pick 6 too.
Marino was pulled from his last game, a first round playoff game with with the Jags, down 38-0 in the third. That game ended 62-7. No pick 6s, but a strip sack returned for a TD on his third possession after getting picked on his first. Historically bad final game.
 

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It's almost worth its own thread. Gronk and Papi are retired; Betts is gone; and Kyrie has thankfully brought his decline phase to Brooklyn. So, the top 10 most popular Boston sports celebrities, in no particular order:

Tatum
Kemba
Chara
Bergeron
Rask
Edelman
D-Mac
Hightower
Bogaerts
Devers

With honorable mentions to Sale (if he gets healthy), Gilmore, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Pasta (who could be interchanged w/ Rask), Marchand (ditto). But there is no Top 10 list that doesn't have Bergeron, and probably no Top 5 list either. He and Chara are right now the 2 automatic Hall of Famers for their respective sport that are in that list, although Kemba is probably close given that the B-Ball HoF is relatively easier to join.
WHERE IS TACKO?!!?!
 

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Winston accounts for a lot of them. He threw SEVEN pick-sixes and Bucs opponents had the third-best average starting field position beyond that. The D finished a respectable 17th in points per drive against and a very good sixth in yards per drive against. They were fifth or something in DVOA. There's a lot of reason to believe they could be a pretty good D with a QB who takes care of the football.
Wow. I'm surprised that the underlying stats are quite that good. You're point is made.
 

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I hope with his new receivers he goes HAM and continues to be the GOAT. Would suck if he was mediocre, they were mediocre, and everything sucked.

Let's see Brees numbers.
 

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Ben's new t-shirt line: "Your GM traded Jimmy G. and all you got was this Stupid Super Bowl."
Lololololol.

Volin should be turfed out when he leaves to cover Brady. Call it locking down the region...

I grew up watching Grogan, Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Mike Haynes etc. Even Tony Eason.

There were a few good seasons, lots of dreck, and at least one serious attempt to move the team to St Louis etc...

Tom Brady’s first start happened the day I got married, and it’s been a heckuva run ever since (on both fronts). Not going to lie, there were times I thought he would outlast us!

Thanks for a fantastic 20 years as a Patriot, and good luck as a Buc or Bolt or wherever you might land. We will most certainly miss you, and no amount of thanks could express the gratitude of Patriots Nation for the joy you brought — year after year — to a championship starved region.

Go Pats!!!
 

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Winston accounts for a lot of them. He threw SEVEN pick-sixes and Bucs opponents had the third-best average starting field position beyond that. The D finished a respectable 17th in points per drive against and a very good sixth in yards per drive against. They were fifth or something in DVOA. There's a lot of reason to believe they could be a pretty good D with a QB who takes care of the football.
Not that I follow TB, but I remember this quote from FO's final DVOA rankings:

There is a 2019 defense that ends up among the ten best defenses in DVOA history, however: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Todd Bowles engineered a shocking turnaround for the Tampa Bay defense this year, as it went from dead last in DVOA for 2018 to fifth for 2019. And most impressive was the run defense, which allowed just 3.3 yards per carry, a yard below the NFL average. The Bucs come out as the No. 6 best run defense we've ever measured.
 
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Not that I follow TB, but I remember this quote from FO's final DVOA rankings:

There is a 2019 defense that ends up among the ten best defenses in DVOA history, however: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Todd Bowles engineered a shocking turnaround for the Tampa Bay defense this year, as it went from dead last in DVOA for 2018 to fifth for 2019. And most impressive was the run defense, which allowed just 3.3 yards per carry, a yard below the NFL average. The Bucs come out as the No. 6 best run defense we've ever measured.
For what it's worth, they were pretty much the only team to shut down McCaffrey last year, and they did it twice (Washington also held him under 100 total yards, but that was it).
 

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We were shocked honestly. We didn’t even respond to the Pats talk we were just like “cool do you have a tap list” and they ignored us.
I hope you gave the place a shitty Yelp! or Trip Advisor review.

In all seriousness, that's deplorable and unless they were the owners, that should be a fireable offense if it was deliberate. Then again, sometimes bars will just take awhile to get to you, even if they see you. But sorry for your negative experience. Which brewery was it? I'll make sure that if I ever visit, I'll be decked out in full Boston sports regalia, probably including a Pats Brady jersey.
 

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It starts, of course, at quarterback, so let’s revisit that for a moment. Brady and the Patriots were never really on the same page financially over the past year, according to sources. Last summer, the Pats offered Brady a two-year contract worth $53 million, and Brady obviously declined in favor of the $8 million raise (for $23 million total in 2019) and the freedom to hit free agency in 2020.

The structure of that two-year offer hasn’t been disclosed. It’s been known Brady wanted guaranteed money in the second year for job security assurances. From the Patriots’ side, even without fully guaranteed money in the contract language, they weren’t ever considering the possibility of actually cutting Brady, but they wanted organizational protection in the same sense Brady coveted job security.

This offseason, the Patriots never offered Brady a contract. Instead, having gone through the previous round of negotiations in good faith over the summer, the Pats wanted to know what type of contract Brady wanted this time around. Brady, in turn, never brought his financial demands to the table before agreeing to join the Buccaneers.

 

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This morning I stood before my closet, surveying the day’s choice of folded hoodies. The first one I saw, almost by fate, was my Patriots sweatshirt: navy blue, Flying Elvis across the chest. And I felt an unnatural pang deep inside, a choked heart’s throb; yes, this was my team, this was its logo, but it now represented something I was unfamiliar with. It no longer had a face. What did this mean? What was going to happen?

And my mind immediately performed a jump-cut to the past, to the barren windswept bleachers of Schaefer/Sullivan/Foxboro Stadium, cold aluminum benches devoid of human souls and beset by the miserable swirl of discarded hot dog wrappers. To TV blackouts and the more-than-occasional drunken brawl in the stands, when going to a game was a joyless Thunderdome of an exercise… impossible traffic snarls both pre- and post-game (even though there were only 30,000 people attending), punctuated by profanity and beer-fueled fisticuffs in between. All against a backdrop of generally awful, awful football.

Those ‘70s and ‘80s Patriots wore red uniforms, which were symbolic of red flags: warning signs which were now waving alarmingly in my face as I stood with my closet door open, trying to do something so simple as choosing what to wear for the day. Tom Brady was no longer a Patriot. Our Superman, our King Arthur, our Max Rockatansky was going to ply his trade elsewhere, never to wear the navy and silver of New England again. Gone, due to ego -- his or Bill Belichick’s -- or money, most likely a combination of both. The end of a golden sun-kissed era.

But then something occurred to me. Tom Brady never sat on those freezing aluminum benches 30 or 40 years ago. I doubt he ever gave more than a moment’s thought about the Patriots as he was growing up. He never died inside because he couldn’t watch his beloved Pats play due to a broadcast blackout. He rooted for the Niners, which was a hell of a lot like rooting for the Pats for the last two decades. What does he know about sports heartache and the loss of God? I love him and what he’s done for my team, and I thank him and wish him well because he’s absolutely earned that, but his departure never, ever gets to define how I feel about the Patriots now or going forward.

His exodus is a commentary on the passage of time. It means we’re getting older. All of us, including Tom. It means we have to say goodbye to the comfort of the familiar, a familiar which just so happens to have been wildly successful. But time always wins. We were going to say farewell at some point soon no matter what, but at least time gives us the wisdom to be more comfortable with the passage of time (I'm pretty sure this was a Hootie & the Blowfish song, by the way).

I have seen the lows. Hell, most of the kids I knew growing up didn't even root for the Pats, despite being from New England. And if they tell you they did, they're lying, they only jumped on when the getting was good. You see, being a Patriots fan sucked for most of time prior to the mid-'90s. Yet I still loved them anyway. I loved them with all my heart.

I grabbed that Pats hoodie out of my closet and put it on with pride.
 
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so he wanted to be 100% sure he would start until he's 45 (as he's stated all along) and he realized Bill would never give him a contract like that.
 

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This morning I stood before my closet, surveying the day’s choice of folded hoodies. The first one I saw, almost by fate, was my Patriots sweatshirt: navy blue, Flying Elvis across the chest.

I grabbed that Pats hoodie out of my closet and put it on with pride.
Ha, I am wearing that same sweatshirt right now. I put in on this morning with the thought of "hmm, this will keep me warm today".
For the record, I have never put on any Patriots clothing without pride.
 

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This morning I stood before my closet, surveying the day’s choice of folded hoodies. The first one I saw, almost by fate, was my Patriots sweatshirt: navy blue, Flying Elvis across the chest. And I felt an unnatural pang deep inside, a choked heart’s throb; yes, this was my team, this was its logo, but it now represented something I was unfamiliar with. It no longer had a face. What did this mean? What was going to happen?

And my mind immediately performed a jump-cut to the past, to the barren windswept bleachers of Schaefer/Sullivan/Foxboro Stadium, cold aluminum benches devoid of human souls and beset by the miserable swirl of discarded hot dog wrappers. To TV blackouts and the more-than-occasional drunken brawl in the stands, when going to a game was a joyless Thunderdome of an exercise… impossible traffic snarls both pre- and post-game (even though there were only 30,000 people attending), punctuated by profanity and beer-fueled fisticuffs in between. All against a backdrop of generally awful, awful football.

Those ‘70s and ‘80s Patriots wore red uniforms, which were symbolic of red flags: warning signs which were now waving alarmingly in my face as I stood with my closet door open, trying to do something so simple as choosing what to wear for the day. Tom Brady was no longer a Patriot. Our Superman, our King Arthur, our Max Rockatansky was going to ply his trade elsewhere, never to wear the navy and silver of New England again. Gone, due to ego -- his or Bill Belichick’s -- or money, most likely a combination of both. The end of a golden sun-kissed era.

But then something occurred to me. Tom Brady never sat on those freezing aluminum benches 30 or 40 years ago. I doubt he ever gave more than a moment’s thought about the Patriots as he was growing up. He never died inside because he couldn’t watch his beloved Pats play due to a broadcast blackout. He rooted for the Niners growing up, which was a hell of a lot like rooting for the Pats for the last two decades. What does he know about sports heartache and the loss of God? I love him and what he’s done for my team, and I thank him and wish him well because he’s absolutely earned that, but his departure never, ever gets to define how I feel about the Patriots now or going forward.

His exodus is a commentary on the passage of time. It means we’re getting older. All of us, including Tom. It means we have to say goodbye to the comfort of the familiar, a familiar which just so happens to have been wildly successful. But time always wins. We were going to say farewell at some point soon no matter what, at least time gives us the wisdom to be more comfortable with the passage of time (I'm pretty sure this was a Hootie & the Blowfish song, by the way).

I have seen the lows. Hell, most of the kids I knew growing up didn't even root for the Pats, despite being from New England. And if they tell you they did, they're lying, they only jumped on when the getting was good. You see, being a Patriots fan sucked for most of time prior to the mid-'90s. Yet I still loved them anyway. I loved them with all my heart.

I grabbed that Pats hoodie out of my closet and put it on with pride.

You gave me chills Mr. Ripley. I hope you compile a booklet of your various essays on this site over the years---truly marvelous how you express the ups and downs of sports fandom.
 
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