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I hope Brady wins a SB in Tampa, and the next year the Pats win a SB with Stidham. So that the TB vs. BB debate can rage on at a higher plane
 

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Volin is such an asshole:

But Brady never addressed reports that he Patriots and their refusal to give him a long-term contract extension. My belief is it at least contributed to him staying away both springs.

He specifically, and candidly, said it was to save his marriage. Is Volin married? Or is he as shitty at life as is he about his job?
I hate Volin, but he is not alone amongst media members in believing Brady is not being truthful here. Volin, Felger, Mazzarotti, and Bedard have specifically said they think the Giselle/family storyline is bunk vis-a-vis OTAs and just a cover for contract issues. All of them are despicable. Even Curran looked a little sideways at this assertion.

So frustrating.
 

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I hate Volin, but he is not alone amongst media members in believing Brady is not being truthful here. Volin, Felger, Mazzarotti, and Bedard have specifically said they think the Giselle/family storyline is bunk vis-a-vis OTAs and just a cover for contract issues. All of them are despicable. Even Curran looked a little sideways at this assertion.

So frustrating.
It's grotesque, as the inherent implication being made is that Tom Brady and Giselle Bundchen are both okay with Tom using her as a pawn to further his own contract negotiations. I'm sure that conversation would go well. "Hey Giselle, I'm gonna tell the media: Don't blame me; blame my wife. It's all her fault. You're cool with that, right?"

It's an insult to both of them.
 

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This is a great topic for another thread: What great Pats victory would you give up in order to gain a victory that you wish they had had? It's not an easy answer, though I really think I would trade the SB win vs. the Eagles (particularly because I'm a big Dononvan McNabb fan, being a Syracuse guy) for SB 42 and an undefeated season. I'd make that trade pretty quickly in fact.
The conversation with my brother was actually more far-ranging than just the Pats: Game 163 in ‘78 or Game 7 in ‘86, Game 4 in ‘87 / Garnett in ‘09 / Perk in ‘10, the B’s in 2019, etc.
 

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It's grotesque, as the inherent implication being made is that Tom Brady and Giselle Bundchen are both okay with Tom using her as a pawn to further his own contract negotiations. I'm sure that conversation would go well. "Hey Giselle, I'm gonna tell the media: Don't blame me; blame my wife. It's all her fault. You're cool with that, right?"

It's an insult to both of them.
Beyond that. Hey, incredibly successful woman who’s an international role model, you mind if I falsely portray you as a nag who won’t let me play with my friends?

I can’t imagine her going for that unless she legit wanted him around more, which is fair. She gave up a ton of her career for the family.
 

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I hate Volin, but he is not alone amongst media members in believing Brady is not being truthful here. Volin, Felger, Mazzarotti, and Bedard have specifically said they think the Giselle/family storyline is bunk vis-a-vis OTAs and just a cover for contract issues. All of them are despicable. Even Curran looked a little sideways at this assertion.

So frustrating.
Look at the 4 guys you just named. Would you expect anything less?
 

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It's grotesque, as the inherent implication being made is that Tom Brady and Giselle Bundchen are both okay with Tom using her as a pawn to further his own contract negotiations. I'm sure that conversation would go well. "Hey Giselle, I'm gonna tell the media: Don't blame me; blame my wife. It's all her fault. You're cool with that, right?"

It's an insult to both of them.
And he invented going to marriage counseling, too, just to further the lie.
Or, maybe it's a new twist on Cris Carter's "fall guy."

I dont access Misserotti, Bedard, and Felger, but I'm not surprised they would join in. Ultimately, thinking that Brady is not being truthful about this speaks volumes about these how these weak, small-minded, untalented keyboard tough-guys treat the women in their own lives. That's my belief. The burden is on them to prove otherwise. Isn't that how it works?

I also think that Brady's sisters would murder him if he pulled a stunt like that.
 
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If it was really about saving his marriage/family, why didn’t he just retire?
 

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If it was really about saving his marriage/family, why didn’t he just retire?
Why should he?

He and his family found a compromise: he got to spend more time in the offseason with family, skipping optional team activities in the process. As a fan, I certainly didn't care that he missed a couple of glorified weight-lifting sessions in April and May while he was hoisting Lombardi #6. It wasn't like he was goofing off; he still was in tip-top shape for mini-camp and training camp.
 

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If it was really about saving his marriage/family, why didn’t he just retire?
There is the thing in marriage called compromise. Usually means no one is happy. :)
He went into more detail but he's always said it was about his family.
 

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I just find it hard to fathom that the amount of time he'd have to devote to OTA's is so substantial that it would cause that much friction in a their marriage, but to each his own I guess. I get that from August to January Brady would pretty much be 80/20 football / family, but a few weeks in the spring would cause that much of an issue? I could definitely see Brady thinking that putting that out there makes him look like a dutiful husband and father and didn't consider how that makes his wife look. Good thing Giselle isn't married to a mid-level sales manager who finds himself on the road 40 weeks of the year.
 

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I just find it hard to fathom that the amount of time he'd have to devote to OTA's is so substantial that it would cause that much friction in a their marriage, but to each his own I guess. I get that from August to January Brady would pretty much be 80/20 football / family, but a few weeks in the spring would cause that much of an issue? I could definitely see Brady thinking that putting that out there makes him look like a dutiful husband and father and didn't consider how that makes his wife look. Good thing Giselle isn't married to a mid-level sales manager who finds himself on the road 40 weeks of the year.
I think the OTA's were just one part of his adjustments w/r/t marriage-related stuff.
I dont know Tom Brady, but it seems really unlikely that he would admit to something as personal as marriage counseling. among other things, just to make him "look like a dutiful husband and father."
As for the last sentence, I think the apt comparison isn't to whether she's married to someone "who finds himself on the road 40 weeks a year," but whether that same husband also wanted to spend additional time going to optional "sales squad team-building exercises" when he's already the company's best salesman and has always attended those exercises in the past.
At least this post is insulting to both sides of the marriage.
 

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I think the OTA's were just one part of his adjustments w/r/t marriage-related stuff.
I dont know Tom Brady, but it seems really unlikely that he would admit to something as personal as marriage counseling. among other things, just to make him "look like a dutiful husband and father."
As for the last sentence, I think the apt comparison isn't to whether she's married to someone "who finds himself on the road 40 weeks a year," but whether that same husband also wanted to spend additional time going to optional "sales squad team-building exercises" when he's already the company's best salesman and has always attended those exercises in the past.
At least this post is insulting to both sides of the marriage.
The OTAs were part of it but he also mentioned working in his business/brand stuff during the off season. So during training camp and the season it’s football 24/7. And I think Giselle was fine with that. But then the off-season rolls around and he goes full in on his TB12 shit. So there was never any downtime. It got to the point where she wrote him a letter about how she couldn’t take the work/life imbalance.
 

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People have different stresses and circumstances, at various times in their family life. There is simply no reason to doubt the veracity of what TB is saying. Unless you're in the business of trying to generate ratings/clicks. I was critical of his skipping OTA's upthread, especially as it related to not developing chemistry with the young receivers last year. But if he says it was for family reasons, and more specifically there was trouble in his marriage, then I have no reason to question that. And no reason to continue to criticize him for it.
 

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The OTAs were part of it but he also mentioned working in his business/brand stuff during the off season. So during training camp and the season it’s football 24/7. And I think Giselle was fine with that. But then the off-season rolls around and he goes full in on his TB12 shit. So there was never any downtime. It got to the point where she wrote him a letter about how she couldn’t take the work/life imbalance.
Right. I left out some details, but the point remains. I don't think he was making it up to look good.
 

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So, the main take away from this is that Belichik has known of thie likely departure for more than a year, and therefore the position is staffed in a manner he is conforatble with. (i.e., he's OK with Stidham/draft/smeone like Hoyer).
 

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I really haven't kept up with this soap opera, but it Brady skipped OTAs the last couple of his years with the Pats, to keep his wife happy, and his marriage intact, more power to him. In one of those years he won a SB, the other (last year) he wasn't winning a championship with the hole in his O-line, no blocking, no running game, no TEs, and inexperienced and injured receivers. He played his ass off in NE. I wish him and his family nothing but happiness and success in Tampa.
 

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I just find it hard to fathom that the amount of time he'd have to devote to OTA's is so substantial that it would cause that much friction in a their marriage, but to each his own I guess. I get that from August to January Brady would pretty much be 80/20 football / family, but a few weeks in the spring would cause that much of an issue? I could definitely see Brady thinking that putting that out there makes him look like a dutiful husband and father and didn't consider how that makes his wife look. Good thing Giselle isn't married to a mid-level sales manager who finds himself on the road 40 weeks of the year.
Why do you care so much about OTA's? They're glorified walk-throughs. Coaches aren't even allowed at the first session. Even Belichick usually cancels a handful of sessions each season.

We know Brady has other obligations in the offseason beyond football. The occasional commercial shoot, charity appearance (remember the brouhaha over Brady doing an appearance for Best Buddies while OTA's were going on?), and TB12 stuff. Giselle has her obligations as well. Put it all together and they decided that one area that could most easily be removed from their schedule was OTA's.

Not every spouse would want to be married to the mid-level sales manager on the road for 40 weeks a year either. So dismissing Giselle's concerns in that manner is borderline offensive.
 

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Brady's branding has always been low rent for somebody of his stature. The Entourage/Ted 2 cameos, the Hulu ads, Tompa Bay, etc.

I guess having a former Patriots marketing intern as your manager isn't the best idea.
 

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Brady's branding has always been low rent for somebody of his stature. The Entourage/Ted 2 cameos, the Hulu ads, Tompa Bay, etc.

I guess having a former Patriots marketing intern as your manager isn't the best idea.
The Ted 2 cameo is fucking great, are you kidding me??
 

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Based on Rovell's tweet saying that someone had been selling TOMPA BAY shirts, I'm guessing Brady applied for the mark to stop others from using it.
 

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Based on Rovell's tweet saying that someone had been selling TOMPA BAY shirts, I'm guessing Brady applied for the mark to stop others from using it.
Yeah, Rovell says right in his tweet the Dan Patrick show (???) was selling shirts.
 

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Why do you care so much about OTA's? They're glorified walk-throughs. Coaches aren't even allowed at the first session. Even Belichick usually cancels a handful of sessions each season.

We know Brady has other obligations in the offseason beyond football. The occasional commercial shoot, charity appearance (remember the brouhaha over Brady doing an appearance for Best Buddies while OTA's were going on?), and TB12 stuff. Giselle has her obligations as well. Put it all together and they decided that one area that could most easily be removed from their schedule was OTA's.

Not every spouse would want to be married to the mid-level sales manager on the road for 40 weeks a year either. So dismissing Giselle's concerns in that manner is borderline offensive.
Never said I care about OTA's, but they are a maximum of 10 days of 4 hour blocks. As I said to each their own, but attending some of the OTA's does!n't seem to me to be a huge time commitment even is Super Bowl years when you have 4 months off. Maybe it was a concession to maintain a healthy marriage, maybe it wasn't but it's not out of line to be slightly skeptical that there wasn't more to it.

As to "borderline offensive" you really need to lighten up. I did not "dismiss" her concerns. I just pointed out that 10 days is really a 1st world problem to deal with. I will be happy to apologize to her should she read that post.

For the record, I wish he stayed and finished here but recognize he needs to do whatever is right for him and his family. I hope he lights it up down there.
 

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He told Stern he didn't think NE provided him with the opportunity for him to play at the high level he expects for himself. Brady is no fool. He understands the cap, the players around him, and what things look like elsewhere.
So Tom knew that BEFORE last season? If the answer is yes, I guess we have to assume that he looked at who they replaced Gronk with and concluded thusly. The problems with the WRs were not as obvious then, unless Tom knew JG would be different than the year before. The defense looked strong. The only obvious difference then was TE.

I can see him looking at the squad NOW and saying he can't win a title with them. I agree. But he claims to have decided before last season. Does this add up? Maybe.
 

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So Tom knew that BEFORE last season? If the answer is yes, I guess we have to assume that he looked at who they replaced Gronk with and concluded thusly. The problems with the WRs were not as obvious then, unless Tom knew JG would be different than the year before. The defense looked strong. The only obvious difference then was TE.

I can see him looking at the squad NOW and saying he can't win a title with them. I agree. But he claims to have decided before last season. Does this add up? Maybe.
Why would you assume that over they wouldn't commit longterm to him financially?
 

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Based on Rovell's tweet saying that someone had been selling TOMPA BAY shirts, I'm guessing Brady applied for the mark to stop others from using it.
This was also the reason given for his kind of shitty scooping up the copyright for "Tom Terrific" -- Tom Seaver's well-established nom-de-guerre
 

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It's grotesque, as the inherent implication being made is that Tom Brady and Giselle Bundchen are both okay with Tom using her as a pawn to further his own contract negotiations. I'm sure that conversation would go well. "Hey Giselle, I'm gonna tell the media: Don't blame me; blame my wife. It's all her fault. You're cool with that, right?"

It's an insult to both of them.
Peyton didn’t mind.
 

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Why would you assume that over they wouldn't commit longterm to him financially?
I have no idea whether Brady or the Pats were the driver. But the post I was replying to said:

He told Stern he didn't think NE provided him with the opportunity for him to play at the high level he expects for himself. Brady is no fool. He understands the cap, the players around him, and what things look like elsewhere.
I was responding to that. IF you assume Brady left because of Brady, then my comment follows.
 

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That’s not how trademark law works in this country.
Well, as an IP lawyer, it is how people try to use the trademark registration system in this country. It's a lot easier to shut down infringements if you have a registration and the bar for a bona fide intent to use is prettty low.
 

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I know he's now a Buc, but this still bothers me. cbssports.com is running an article on each team's all-time best draft pick.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-every-teams-best-pick-of-all-time-including-legendary-cowboys-49ers-patriots-qbs/

So here's two to compare:

New England Patriots
Player: QB Tom Brady
Year: 2000
Pick: 199th overall (sixth round)

Forever inflating fans' expectations of sixth-round picks, Brady is easily a top-three QB in NFL history. His Patriots didn't always escape controversy, but he remains as reliable as they come with six Super Bowl rings, four Super Bowl MVPs, three NFL MVPs and 14 Pro Bowls to his name. At age 42, he's moved on to sunnier pastures with the Buccaneers, and you can credit some of his historic success to Pats coach Bill Belichick. But you also don't win 16 division titles, four passing TD titles and three passing yards titles by accident. He's up there with the best draft picks among allteams.

Indianapolis Colts
Player: QB Peyton Manning
Year: 1998
Pick: 1st overall (first round)

They don't get much easier than this. Manning is the gold standard of QBs. While he "only" won two Super Bowls, he also set just about every major passing record upon retiring after 18 years, all but four of which he spent in Indy. A 14-time Pro Bowler, 10-time All-Pro, five-time NFL MVP and four-time touchdown passing leader, he was heralded for his smarts as well as his leadership, and he's the reason the Colts were relevant throughout the 2000s. When you make a No. 1 pick, you only hope the player is a fraction of what Peyton was.


So wait. Brady is "easily a top-three QB in NFL history"? Ya think? Had to throw in the "controversy" bit, and dilute his success by crediting it to Belichick. But Peyton is the "gold standard of QBs"?

How do they figure Peyton is the gold standard, and THE reason Indy was relevant throughout the 2000s, but Brady is a "top-three QB" and his success (a) didn't come without controversy, and (b) is explained by having BB as the head coach?

I shouldn't care what some joker writing for cbssports.com says, but, well, this annoys me.
 

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It's also stupid to do that list and then pick someone who was drafted #1 overall as the best pick in franchise history, something that takes zero research to figure out. Is the whole list just the best player in franchise history for each team?
 

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Honestly I would also argue with Brady as the best pick in Patriots history. They passed on him how many times? It was mostly lucky.

I'm not sure who I'd vote for, but maybe someone like Gronk - they traded up to get him, it was a risk, and he turned into a Hall of Famer and just a legend.
 

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Honestly I would also argue with Brady as the best pick in Patriots history. They passed on him how many times? It was mostly lucky.

I'm not sure who I'd vote for, but maybe someone like Gronk - they traded up to get him, it was a risk, and he turned into a Hall of Famer and just a legend.
Not sure passing up is relevant but I think Brady needs to be removed from the discussion because he’s obviously the best pick, value, or however you want to define it.

In the non-Brady division, I’m going with Edelman. 7th round pick who was great on ST for years and turned into a top WR for several years and won a SB MVP award.
 

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Honestly I would also argue with Brady as the best pick in Patriots history. They passed on him how many times? It was mostly lucky.

I'm not sure who I'd vote for, but maybe someone like Gronk - they traded up to get him, it was a risk, and he turned into a Hall of Famer and just a legend.
Agree with this. There is no way having a 6th round pick turn out to be the best player in the history of the league can be attributed to shrewd/prescient talent evaluation. The credit they do get is for the high level of coaching and development Brady received in his formative years, and for having the cojones to stay with him when the high-dollar, franchise QB was ready to return during the '01 season. Not many coaches would have done that, and BB was not operating from the position of accrued benefit of the doubt /leverage that he has now.
 

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Not sure passing up is relevant but I think Brady needs to be removed from the discussion because he’s obviously the best pick, value, or however you want to define it.

In the non-Brady division, I’m going with Edelman. 7th round pick who was great on ST for years and turned into a top WR for several years and won a SB MVP award.
I think the same argument applies to Edelman.

To me, a great draft pick is when you take someone unexpected or ahead of where the pundits say, and take a risk, and it pans out. Edelman and Brady weren't risky picks.

Guys like Gronk, Mankins, and McCourty were great picks. When they drafted Mankins the reaction was 99% "who???". He is probably their 2nd or 3rd best OL all time behind Hannah and maybe Armstrong.

Edit: and when they drafted McCourty BB was blasted for calling him a "four down player", with the insinuation that they drafted a special teams player in the first round

Double edit: the McCourty pick was extra brilliant due to the trades. First the Pats traded from 22 to 24 and picked up 113 - which they used to draft Hernandez. Then they traded down again from 24 to 27 and drafted DMC. They also included 119 in that trade and picked up 90. Unfortunately 90 turned into Taylor Price but it was still a brilliant set of moves / value.

Triple edit: I think I would have to include Seymour on my list of best draft picks ever. No one was happy about that pick in real time.
 
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