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Do a lot of QBs have much more input than Brady did? Rodgers has been at odds with the Packers for years; I can't imagine the young crew (Watson, Prescott, Jackson, Mahomes, etc) having a ton. Wilson? Brees, maybe, but he's also seen a lot of guys come and go. Roethlisburger?
I can't remember where I read it, but I read an article recently that talked about these other QBs and their level of input. Wish I could give you the link but I can't.
 

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I can't remember where I read it, but I read an article recently that talked about these other QBs and their level of input. Wish I could give you the link but I can't.
I think we've seen he had a lot of input on the play calling and game planning - unless the DYJ videos were misleading - I think he likely wanted more input on personnel and frankly, I don't think that was happening, nor should it have.
 

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I think we've seen he had a lot of input on the play calling and game planning - unless the DYJ videos were misleading - I think he likely wanted more input on personnel and frankly, I don't think that was happening, nor should it have.
Yes that was what the article was referring to, that the other QBs had some say in that. I agree - I'm glad BB didn't give that to Brady, but if it's true that other QBs had that kind of input, I can see why Brady wanted it too.
 

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Yes that was what the article was referring to, that the other QBs had some say in that. I agree - I'm glad BB didn't give that to Brady, but if it's true that other QBs had that kind of input, I can see why Brady wanted it too.
Wasn't it reported that Brady was pushing for AB and then at the deadline for Sanu?
 

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It's not unreasonable for Brady to look around and see the input that other top QBs have in the league on their teams, and to want the same thing in NE. It's also not unreasonable for him to feel unappreciated or put out if he gets the cold shoulder to that idea. It could be argued that it's a little crazy that the greatest - and one of the smartest - QBs in NFL history doesn't get the same kind of input that other, lesser QBs do.
I understand the tendency to equate reasons Brady chose Tampa Bay with reasons Brady left New England, but I'm not sure that's accurate. We don't 100% know what happened, but most reports suggest that Brady wanted to work out an extension in previous offseasons and the team was reluctant to commit to him long-term given Brady's age and the general cap situation.

Once the situation became clear that Brady was going to leave, I think he gave a lot of thought to what kinds of opportunities interested him, and decided he wanted a totally different kind of experience: new conference, warm-weather city, different kind of head coach, different offensive philosophy and scheme, etc. I don't think he's necessarily saying one is better than the other, but his situation in TB is inarguably different, and if it's an experience that intrigued him, this was probably going to be his only chance to experience it.

I think we've seen he had a lot of input on the play calling and game planning - unless the DYJ videos were misleading - I think he likely wanted more input on personnel and frankly, I don't think that was happening, nor should it have.
I haven't seen anything credible on Brady wanting more personnel input. I can certainly imagine that Brady was dissatisfied with the apparent move(s) from a more modern offense to a more traditional ground-and-pound, punt and win with defense approach. Re: DYJ, it's worth noting that a) that was over 10 years ago and b) that was a season where the Patriots had no official OC (Bill O'Brien was in his first year as QB coach / de facto OC and presumably had less authority than McDaniels had now).
 

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Wasn't there also a large real estate development opportunity included in the TB deal? If you're approaching your mid-40s, that would probably be important in assessing options...
 

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Wasn't there also a large real estate development opportunity included in the TB deal? If you're approaching your mid-40s, that would probably be important in assessing options...
Not kosher under NFL rules, I believe.
 

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Wasn't there also a large real estate development opportunity included in the TB deal? If you're approaching your mid-40s, that would probably be important in assessing options...
I believe that's a plot line from Ballers.
 

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I can see how Brady might have become frustrated with a coach/GM whose personnel decisions are all about keeping the team competitive for the next five years. For most of his career that was fine, and aligned with his interests. Now his window is closing, and BB is still thinking five years out. Had he been on just about any other team his wishes might have been honored, but that wasn’t going to happen with the Pats, so he moved on to a team happy to GFIN and give him whatever he wanted.
 

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Pretty cool excerpt from the upcoming book, "The Dynasty" by Jeff Benedict. Those 3-4 days leading up to the AFCCG were crazy. Different report every day. Some saying he was fine and others saying how serious it was. Some cool insight on how maniacal and stubborn Brady can be.

 

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Pretty cool excerpt from the upcoming book, "The Dynasty" by Jeff Benedict. Those 3-4 days leading up to the AFCCG were crazy. Different report every day. Some saying he was fine and others saying how serious it was. Some cool insight on how maniacal and stubborn Brady can be.

As great as 2019 was, him winning 2018 and walking away would have been the best career finisher IMO. That documentary Tom vs Time and winning his final Super Bowl would have been hard to top.
 

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As great as 2019 was, him winning 2018 and walking away would have been the best career finisher IMO. That documentary Tom vs Time and winning his final Super Bowl would have been hard to top.
Especially with the stat line he put up that Super Bowl. If he had not fumbled on the sack, and led them to the winning drive, it would have been absolutely legendary (not that he didn't have other legendary moments, of course).
 

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Pretty cool excerpt from the upcoming book, "The Dynasty" by Jeff Benedict. Those 3-4 days leading up to the AFCCG were crazy. Different report every day. Some saying he was fine and others saying how serious it was. Some cool insight on how maniacal and stubborn Brady can be.

I like how he surgeon caught himself before he said Brady's thumb was "pliable"; and how BB still took umbrage at "flexible", because Guerrero was in the room.
 

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Pretty cool excerpt from the upcoming book, "The Dynasty" by Jeff Benedict. Those 3-4 days leading up to the AFCCG were crazy. Different report every day. Some saying he was fine and others saying how serious it was. Some cool insight on how maniacal and stubborn Brady can be.

Thanks for posting that link; wow, what a story, incredible really, amazing he did not do massive damage to his thumb/hand, have never heard of a hand splitting open like that before.

It's a miracle he played in that game.
 

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I had a conversation recently with a friend (Steelers fan) who tried to tell me that one strike against Brady (as compared to, say, Big Ben) is that Brady just isn't very tough.

I just had to laugh. He's taken some *massive* shots over the years, and the only one that's ever knocked him out of game was the hit to his knee by Pollard to start the 2008 season.

Anyone remember this one?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4OTH0pddv4


There's videos of him taking all kinds of huge hits and the guy just keeps getting up. He's a tough SOB.
 

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Seriously, though, the idea that Brady isn't tough isn't even worth discussing. Other than the year he blew his knee out the only games he missed in his entire career were the Deflategate suspension games.

Ben the Rapist only started all 16 games 4 times in 16 seasons. Brady started all 16 games 16 times in 20 seasons. He didn't his first two years, until Bledsoe got hurt. He had the lost year when he blew out his knee, and the Deflategate games. That's it. In 20 seasons.

Edit: he also played in and started 41 playoff games over that time, so an additional 2 1/2 seasons worth of football, and didn't miss any starts in those games either. Actually didn't miss any snaps except for in the first AFC Title Game in Pittsburgh.
 
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It's pretty embarrassing the amount of credit Big Ben gets for toughness when he spends most of his post-game comments complaining about some injury or another that he can then heroically play through.
 

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As great as 2019 was, him winning 2018 and walking away would have been the best career finisher IMO. That documentary Tom vs Time and winning his final Super Bowl would have been hard to top.
Don't worry, it's still going to happen when he wins his eighth ring with the Bucs in '22 after the award winning documentary, Tom Beats the Crap Out of Time, is released in September of '21.
 

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On the qb sneak against the ravens in the playoffs that went for a touchdown, I thought he broke his back.

The fact he doesn’t take that many big hits speaks to his football intelligence. It also always him to be strong when he needs to take a shot(s) like that Broncos game mentioned.
 

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Seriously, though, the idea that Brady isn't tough isn't even worth discussing.
Tom did a great job and he’s a tough guy. We all know that. All right? But we’re not talking about open heart surgery here.
 

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I had a conversation recently with a friend (Steelers fan) who tried to tell me that one strike against Brady (as compared to, say, Big Ben) is that Brady just isn't very tough.

I just had to laugh. He's taken some *massive* shots over the years, and the only one that's ever knocked him out of game was the hit to his knee by Pollard to start the 2008 season.

Anyone remember this one?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4OTH0pddv4


There's videos of him taking all kinds of huge hits and the guy just keeps getting up. He's a tough SOB.
Hahaha. Every quarterback gets hit. And every quarterback gets hurt. Nobody takes time off most years like Big Ben. Just because you limp and grimace and throw a few passes before you take your sabbatical doesn’t mean you’re tougher than the next QB.
 

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I had a conversation recently with a friend (Steelers fan) who tried to tell me that one strike against Brady (as compared to, say, Big Ben) is that Brady just isn't very tough.

I just had to laugh. He's taken some *massive* shots over the years, and the only one that's ever knocked him out of game was the hit to his knee by Pollard to start the 2008 season.

Anyone remember this one?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4OTH0pddv4


There's videos of him taking all kinds of huge hits and the guy just keeps getting up. He's a tough SOB.
I can't remember the details but I know there were a few years that there were whispers of Brady playing with things like cracked ribs.
 

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Anyone that says he's not tough is someone you don't need to listen to for football opinions.
 

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Yeah, that article shows how amazing Brady has been. Not only did he play, he engineered that 4th quarter comeback against a great defense. That was an absolutely legendary game and performance. One of many.
 

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I had a conversation recently with a friend (Steelers fan) who tried to tell me that one strike against Brady (as compared to, say, Big Ben) is that Brady just isn't very tough.
Any conversation with a Steelers fan about the Pats about anything is a waste of time. They have been severely sour since we tied them for rings and long before that.
 

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I think he meant to say that the difference is that Brady's not a meathead. I could be wrong about that, though.
 

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Sorry but I have coronavirus fatigue. What with the Red Sox and Bruin's seasons, I don't think I will make it through the Pats season constantly talking about Cov-19. They should cancel the season IMHO.
 

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Sorry but I have coronavirus fatigue. What with the Red Sox and Bruin's seasons, I don't think I will make it through the Pats season constantly talking about Cov-19. They should cancel the season IMHO.
No one really is talking about it in here.
 

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Sorry but I have coronavirus fatigue. What with the Red Sox and Bruin's seasons, I don't think I will make it through the Pats season constantly talking about Cov-19. They should cancel the season IMHO.
And leave more space in our lives to talk about COVID. Sounds like a great plan!
 

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Parents got divorced. Dad cheated on my mom. I live with my mom and have loyalty to her in light of what Dad did. But I still love my Dad. This is the closest analogy I can find to my feelings re the Patriots (mom) and Brady (Dad). PS- Not a true story.
 
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