Goodbye Gruden and ongoing Snyder investigation discussion
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No doubt. And if Gruden is interested less in getting paid than in scorching the earth, he might well say to hell with the protective order and risk his case’s dismissal. We can only hope.
NFL is taking this lawsuit seriously it seems,
https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Anonymous/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=12178894
The above link from the Clark County Courts is free to access and can be used to follow any new filings in the case I think
https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Anonymous/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=12178894
View: https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1477440799101050881
The above link from the Clark County Courts is free to access and can be used to follow any new filings in the case I think
Oh look, the NFL is investigating Snyder again, this time with Mary Jo White in the lead and a written report being prepared:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/18/sports/nfl-preparing-new-investigation-commanders-owner-dan-snyder/
I found this almost comical:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/18/sports/nfl-preparing-new-investigation-commanders-owner-dan-snyder/
I found this almost comical:
It is comical, but it‘a also interesting. (To me, at least.)
The NFL hates to be forced into a do-over for damage-control. It means they have to waste time and money for something they thought was already behind them.
They have already pinned the responsibility for the lack of transparency on Snyder. Which feels like an ominous foreshadowing.
Mary Jo White (and Debevoise) are even more credible than I used to think Ted Wells was.....but we all know how that ended up.
Based on past experience, that's the tale the NFL wanted to get out now, but months/years later there should be no surprise if it ends up as something like a 3-paragraph release.
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Yeah, thought I remembered her name from the Supreme Court and my law school study guides. At least the NFL is spreading the corruption to new firms after fanging Paul, Weiss and Covington.
Judge denies the NFL’s motions to have Gruden’s lawsuit either sent to arbitration or dismissed outright:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33983514/judge-denies-nfl-motions-dismiss-jon-gruden-lawsuit-move-arbitration
He really is a piece of shit.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34490318/jon-gruden-says-emails-shameful-good-person-hope-get-another-shot
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34490318/jon-gruden-says-emails-shameful-good-person-hope-get-another-shot
Looks like Dan believes he has the goods on multiple owners and Goodell:
I would give my first born for this to come out and wreck all these assholes.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34778123/washington-commanders-owner-dan-snyder-claims-dirt-nfl-owners-roger-goodell
I would give my first born for this to come out and wreck all these assholes.
This league reaps what it sows. Yes, he paid a record price for the team; but in doing so one of the worst investors imaginable became owner of one of their crown jewel teams.
He has spent the 20+ years as a partner destroying the reputations of the league and his franchise. Just an unbelievable embarrassment to anyone who associates with him (Besides Jerry Jones). The obvious comparison is the value to what Robert Kraft has to brought to the table vs Snyder. It is night and day.
That he is left scrambling to take down any of his league partners is the perfect cap to, hopefully, the end of his involvement with the NFL.
this is how one ends up blackballed from the NFL, so, good luck to Snyder..... He will need it
I don't doubt dirt fitting that description exists. Behind every great fortune is a great crime, and NFL owners make (say) Fortune 500 CEOs look like choir boys.
Whether Dan Snyder is even half of the master spy he thinks he is, to accumulate that and play his cards correctly - that much seems rather unlikely, to put it mildly.
Whether Dan Snyder is even half of the master spy he thinks he is, to accumulate that and play his cards correctly - that much seems rather unlikely, to put it mildly.
I don't -- honestly the only explanation for the whole "oral report" Beth Wilkinson provided of her investigation into Snyder is that the owners wanted to know what happened but didn't want anything to go public that might force their hand. Otherwise, you let the media run hog wild with those findings and let him be pushed out.
I actually think the real question is what it would take for Snyder to go nuclear and release this "dirt" to the public. I've lost track at this point of all the various institutions that are scrutinizing him right now -- the League, Congress and all the lawsuits. At some point, I would expect one of these investigations or lawsuits to go public, leaving Goodell no choice but to act. And then I think the question becomes whether Snyder's silence can be bought. He may be rich enough at this point not to care. But if I were the Washington Post, I would be investing big in this story, because the sports media--ESPN in particular--will never do anything that could put the league as a whole at risk.
I think he's full of shit. I mean, I'm sure he has some "dirt" on some owners. But I doubt it's anything that either couldn't be denied/obfuscated or wouldn't generate much surprise/outrage.
Particularly because he's the worst messenger imaginable. A couple of my former colleagues went to work for Snyder 20 years ago, and told stories of the racist, misogynistic and anti-semitic comments he made. The guy is the friggin' worst.
Particularly because he's the worst messenger imaginable. A couple of my former colleagues went to work for Snyder 20 years ago, and told stories of the racist, misogynistic and anti-semitic comments he made. The guy is the friggin' worst.
One of my self-loathing brethren, I see.
Good point on Snyder being a terrible messenger - he'll just get buried under an avalanche of stories about what an awful, and most importantly, lying scumbag he is.
Even if there was a good messenger, this is 31 billionaires - not exactly the type of people that end up getting "destroyed" by committing even actual crimes let alone the kind of scandals that simply ruin other people. Short of maybe treason or pedophilia rings, they are pretty well insulated from consequences by money and power.
Maybe they have to go to Congress and get embarrassed by politicians and pledge to be better or something; make some donations, set up a new bullshit PR initiative. Meanwhile the league chugs on and no one stops watching because Americans have proven time and again that we, as a whole, don't really care about this stuff when it comes to sports.
Snyder probably has the goods on a number of owners that would cause them great embarrassment and public ridicule. The NFL probably has the goods on Snyder that will lead to jail time and / or loss of hundreds of millions of dollars. I'd be pretty confident that if he wanted to go scorched earth he'd be the one that would end up as ashes. The NFL is a lot more adept at managing the information flow and PR spin than he can ever hope to be.
What is the league reaping? Profits and ratings are as high as ever and valuations keep going up. The "end of football" talk from 5 or so years ago is all but gone. He is a buffoon but that appears to have no impact on the reputation of the league. Franchise is another story but they'd still get sold for a record if it went up to bid. He could have put them in a better spot but IMO his actions have little to do with the hypothetical Commanders valuation
In the moment, the owners benefitted from Snyder resetting the market for their franchises by paying 800 million to get into the league in 1999. 10 years earlier, Jerry Jones paid $140 for the Cowboys. Robert Kraft took over the Patriots at $175 in 1994.
That is all they cared about. We can debate the hypotheticals of when the franchise values would have appreciated, but he made it move overnight and that's why he was approved. Unlike Jones and Kraft, he hasn't made any big investments in his franchise or been influential in league matters. He is Donald Sterling, but with a pocket protector.
Al Davis is something of an example. He remained as owner. But always, always on the outside looking in. And Davis was, at bottom, a football guy. Snyder isn't even that.
I think this is all posturing. Too much money to be lost by both sides, which is ultimately what they care about. If Snyder goes it will be quietly and well compensated.
To paraphrase South Park, sometimes you need a dick to fuck some assholes. I’d love to see it all come out and burn, so long as Snyder doesn’t get any credit for lighting a match.
Exhibit Z, at least, of the faulty assumption that immense wealth= cunning and intelligence. He was a lucky sperm, who leveraged his fathers wealth and connections to get into a business that is essentially failure-proof. He’s playing this like a moron. He just showed his “hand”, giving Rog and the rest of the oligarchs plenty of opportunity to establish their plausible deniability. He’s an entitled, petulant, bully. He’s not a smart guy.
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My point is he has not destroyed the reputation of the league or his franchise given someone will snap it up for a record amount. The NFL on the whole has barely been impacted from and during Snyder’s tenure. I doubt this alleged dirt will do much on that front either. Worst case a bunch of owners sell for record and ever appreciating profits.
What reason is there to think Dan Snyder has dirt on other NFL owners?
I don’t think NFL owners are chummy with each other the way they were in the old days. If there’s a clique that’s still like that, Snyder has never been part of it. I’ll be surprised if he has dirt worth dishing.
I don’t think NFL owners are chummy with each other the way they were in the old days. If there’s a clique that’s still like that, Snyder has never been part of it. I’ll be surprised if he has dirt worth dishing.
Also, the article also describes how he’s used PI’s ti intimidate cheerleaders, the “common interest provision” of the Wilkinson investigation to gain access to its materials and various other Reed Smith scummy tactics to accumulate dirt:
It’s worth noting that Reed Smith comes off as positively craven in this article – siccing PI’s on Rob Manfred during the Alex Rodriguez investigation (which they deny), on victims in this case (which they don’t). How the Jordan Sievs of the world live with themselves when not only representing the likes of Dan Snyder (which I at least understand) but by stooping to this kind of clearly unethical behavior is really beyond me.
It’s the Weinstein playbook all over again and kind of incredible to me that these firms don’t appear to lose business from other, presumably not-evil, clients for doing this kind of work.
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Really underscores that the last stand for the fans of this team is to not let him build a stadium. I'm sure Virginia will crumble, but one can dream.
The fact that Irsay is saying this publicly is a bit shocking
Colts owner Jim Irsay says merit to oust owner Daniel Snyder
View: https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/1582470846408335360
Snyder of course continues to go baghdad Bob with his statements
View: https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1582485646060695559
Colts owner Jim Irsay says merit to oust owner Daniel Snyder
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34824686/colts-owner-jim-irsay-says-merit-oust-owner-daniel-snyder
View: https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/1582470846408335360
Snyder of course continues to go baghdad Bob with his statements
View: https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1582485646060695559
lol, we made remarkable progress from the absolute gutter over the last 2 years... also, that is the time period during which Snyder was "stepping away from day to day", which would maybe indicate that you could progress even more if he was stepped away from being involved at all.
Is this the same Irsay with the drug and DUI problem that had his mistress overdose in a house bought for with embezzled money?
Yes, which is why thats its Irsay who is the one who went public with this, all the more shocking...
As he said... feel free to investigate him, everybody already knows his dirty laundry
Right? Either Irsay is on his best jag ever, or Snyder is so fucked that even Jim Fucking Irsay can lord it over him. Possibly both.
By NFL owner standards... Irsay isn't even close to the worst, he has a drug problem, but he hasn't even been accused of sexual assault or harrasment as far as I know, his criminal history is mostly his own drug issues. Also, not a racist... puts him probably top 10 when you factor that in. Good people don't own NFL teams generally.
