Grant Williams: breakout rookie?

the moops

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 19, 2016
3,243
Saint Paul, MN
If Grant Williams hits 38% with defenders in his face and competently guards 2-5, he is a starter on over half the teams in the league.
 

128

Member
SoSH Member
May 4, 2019
5,935
If Grant Williams hits 38% with defenders in his face and competently guards 2-5, he is a starter on over half the teams in the league.
Hard for me to see Williams competently defending a decent 2, and even a 3 might be a stretch, depending on that player's athleticism. But I agree that, if he approaches 40 percent from 3, he's a definite rotation guy.
 

chilidawg

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 22, 2015
3,330
Cultural hub of the universe
If Grant Williams hits 38% with defenders in his face and competently guards 2-5, he is a starter on over half the teams in the league.
Yeah, who shoots 38% with defenders in there face? My guess would be that Tatum would be the only one on the C's close. Smart takes some because the clock is winding down or no one else is doing anything, but he sure doesn't make 38%. Brown and PP seem to me to mostly get good looks.

Grant would certainly be better with a quicker release, but open shots will be there and if he hits a good % of those he'll be useful.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
6,439
around the way
If Grant Williams hits 38% with defenders in his face and competently guards 2-5, he is a starter on over half the teams in the league.
Yeah sure, but I hope that nobody thinks that is possible. That would already be a like a 5 percentile projection for Grant.

38% on open to wide-open shots, guarding most 4s, some 5s, and wicked slow 3s is possible. Let's shoot for that.
 

the moops

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 19, 2016
3,243
Saint Paul, MN
Yeah sure, but I hope that nobody thinks that is possible. That would already be a like a 5 percentile projection for Grant.

38% on open to wide-open shots, guarding most 4s, some 5s, and wicked slow 3s is possible. Let's shoot for that.
Oh, I agree. It just seems kind of ridiculous to complian that he only shoots/makes wide open threes. That is what rotational players do if they want to stay in the league. If he all of a sudden increased his volume and difficulty while maintaining that percentage, he would be a damn fine basketball player.
 

Eddie Jurak

Go Leafs Go
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2002
34,090
Melrose, MA
The typical "3&D" player is hitting open threes, not hitting them with defenders in his face. That's a realistic role for Grant, provided that he expands his defensive value beyond "smallball 5."
 

Saints Rest

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
I don’t get to see a whole lot of non-playoff Celtics games, living in CT, but hasn’t GW been pretty good at setting picks? I would imagine that spending some time watching and listening to Horford would only improve that skill, which I think is a vital add when playing with the Jays.
 

Cesar Crespo

79
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
18,560
Sorry, but if all he has to do is hit 38% of his 3s, are people claiming Grant Williams was a good offensive basketball player last year? He hit 38% of his 3s.

Something isn't adding up.

He was at 4.1 3PA/36. That's not good volume, even if he is just taking wide open shots.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
6,439
around the way
Sorry, but if all he has to do is hit 38% of his 3s, are people claiming Grant Williams was a good offensive basketball player last year? He hit 38% of his 3s.

Something isn't adding up.
Not to speak for everyone, but good D and 38% would make him a useful player. Problem last year wasn't the 38% part.

Shooting 38% on wide open shots and providing nothing else at that end wouldn't make him a good offensive player, just a sufficient one (if it came with good defense).
 

Eddie Jurak

Go Leafs Go
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2002
34,090
Melrose, MA
Sorry, but if all he has to do is hit 38% of his 3s, are people claiming Grant Williams was a good offensive basketball player last year? He hit 38% of his 3s.

Something isn't adding up.

He was at 4.1 3PA/36. That's not good volume, even if he is just taking wide open shots.
Depends on what one means by "good offensive basketball player." I'd argue that shooting 38% on threes and playing good defense makes one a good role player by virtue of contributing something useful at both ends of the floor. But a role player, however good, is still just a role player.
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 26, 2005
24,867
Not to speak for everyone, but good D and 38% would make him a useful player. Problem last year wasn't the 38% part.

Shooting 38% on wide open shots and providing nothing else at that end wouldn't make him a good offensive player, just a sufficient one (if it came with good defense).
The point I was trying to make is that shooting 38% on 130-ish wide-open 3Ps (granted shortened season) means that he's turning down less than wide-open 3Ps. For GW to be a legit rotation player, IMO, he's got to start taking more 3Ps and not lose his efficiency - which generally means that he's got to start taking and hitting some contested 3Ps.

the other way to put this is that IMO GW has to force defenders to take one more step closer to him when he camps in the corner to open up space for JT and JB. Which means that he will have to hit shots that are more contested.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
6,439
around the way
The point I was trying to make is that shooting 38% on 130-ish wide-open 3Ps (granted shortened season) means that he's turning down less than wide-open 3Ps. For GW to be a legit rotation player, IMO, he's got to start taking more 3Ps and not lose his efficiency - which generally means that he's got to start taking and hitting some contested 3Ps.

the other way to put this is that IMO GW has to force defenders to take one more step closer to him when he camps in the corner to open up space for JT and JB. Which means that he will have to hit shots that are more contested.
Yeah that's fair and well said. Not sure why that wasn't sinking in...
 

lovegtm

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 30, 2013
8,566
Kiev, Ukraine
Sorry, but if all he has to do is hit 38% of his 3s, are people claiming Grant Williams was a good offensive basketball player last year? He hit 38% of his 3s.

Something isn't adding up.

He was at 4.1 3PA/36. That's not good volume, even if he is just taking wide open shots.
The problem last year was that the "D" part was awful. If he had been the shooter last year he'd been his rookie year, and 15 pounds lighter, that's an ok back-of-the-rotation player.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
22,882
The problem last year was that the "D" part was awful. If he had been the shooter last year he'd been his rookie year, and 15 pounds lighter, that's an ok back-of-the-rotation player.
Exactly. 3-and-Bad D is not good role player. Shit, 48% and bad D isn’t a good role player or Steve Novak would have been a household name.
 

Eddie Jurak

Go Leafs Go
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2002
34,090
Melrose, MA
Novak would have gotten more of a look today I think. His NBA career was more or less over after 2012-2013, and the 3 is a much bigger part of the game today than it was then (even though it was a bigger part of the game than than it had ever been before).
 

JM3

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 14, 2019
1,203
Disagree on Novak. Actually think that archetype is even less useful in today's NBA.

The lack of athleticism is such a defense killer & there are many more shoot only players, they just aren't making a mark unless they also have the athleticism to create their own looks and/or play passable defense.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
22,882
Disagree on Novak. Actually think that archetype is even less useful in today's NBA.

The lack of athleticism is such a defense killer & there are many more shoot only players, they just aren't making a mark unless they also have the athleticism to create their own looks and/or play passable defense.
I agree with you on this. Novak’s lack of athleticism and ability on the defensive end would show similar to IT3 right now in today’s game. He couldn’t stay on the floor back then due to his defensive game it would only be worse now when rotations must be sharper and quicker.
 

reggiecleveland

sublime
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Mar 5, 2004
25,706
Saskatoon Canada
I agree with you on this. Novak’s lack of athleticism and ability on the defensive end would show similar to IT3 right now in today’s game. He couldn’t stay on the floor back then due to his defensive game it would only be worse now when rotations must be sharper and quicker.
HRB has pointed this out already, but the "make a career of standing at the 3" days are over. People defend the 3 now, and you have to be able o get shots for your teammates, or defend. There is no "3 and no D" role. Like everything it is filtering down to high school and college. There are a lot of undersized kids who are lights-out shooters not getting recruited because a bigger kid just has t get there. Ironically the overall height on the perimeter is ticking up since a 6-7 guy closing you out makes hitting a three harder than that plucky 6'3 kid. sadly I think Grant may fall into this since he is the right spot and people shoot over him anyway. What happened to Danny Fortson 10 feet from the hoop is happening to him 20 feet out.
 
Last edited:

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
13,310
Santa Monica
While the +/- Net Rtg of pairings (SSS aside) won't support it, this guy makes a case to start Grant with some video clips.

Grant Williams is shooting 43.1 percent from deep, good for 16th in the entire league. He’s the only player in the NBA right now that is a part of the elusive 50-40-90 club. On top of that, Williams is shooting a ridiculous 50 percent from the corner this season on nearly two attempts per game. The forward has lived in the corners this year.

His consistency from behind the arc not only improves the team’s shooting as a whole, but the floor spacing he provides is crucial. A term that is constantly used with Miami Heat sharpshooter Duncan Robinson is gravity. The gravity of Williams is now starting to open up lanes for Boston’s marquee stars, which is something that the combination of Horford and Robert Williams simply does not do

Williams provides more than just three-point shooting and floor spacing, too. He has learned to be effective in other ways on the offensive side of the ball as well. The young forward has also learned to become a solid screener.

Ime Udoka implemented a “switch everything” defense to start the season, and while he’s pulled back on the amount of switching a bit, being versatile on defense is still important. Williams provides that versatility. Horford and Robert Williams are decent perimeter defenders, but Horford is not as quick and Rob Williams strength is being a rim protector.


https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/11/30/22806851/grant-williams-boston-celtics-starter-al-horford-robert-williams-double-bigs-shooting-threes
 

Cesar Crespo

79
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
18,560
If he's starting, your best shooter off the bench is Romeo. I don't really have an opinion on him starting one way or another but it doesn't solve the Celtics real problem of needing another shooter/scorer.

I mean, I guess it possibly does if he develops into a gravity well.
 

Cellar-Door

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
24,343
I feel like the best argument for Grant starting is it gives you the opportunity to have no minutes without Horford or TL on the court, which would be nice.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
13,310
Santa Monica
When ALL are healthy, I'm still in the start DS camp and shrink wrap Al/TL as much as possible. Grant playing off the bench, when only one of Tatum or Brown are on the floor works.

Grant is a nice backup WING and should rarely ever play the 5
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 26, 2005
24,867
On the broadcast (I think it was TOR), Scal was comparing GW to PJ Tucker by saying that people really like PJ Tucker as a player but Grant has better feet ("really good feet" is what I think Scal said), shoots better, and has more versatility to his game, particularly on defense.

So we're not the only ones. . . .
 

Cesar Crespo

79
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
18,560
On the broadcast (I think it was TOR), Scal was comparing GW to PJ Tucker by saying that people really like PJ Tucker as a player but Grant has better feet ("really good feet" is what I think Scal said), shoots better, and has more versatility to his game, particularly on defense.

So we're not the only ones. . . .
I think Grant fits the Posey comparison better than RL, though I don't like the Posey comparison for either one of them.
 

Cesar Crespo

79
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
18,560
Does GW play "nearly starter minutes"? :cool:
He's actually at 27.3 mpg his last 9, including 6 starts. If 19 is nearly 27, he's playing nearly the whole game. Who knows how much he'll play when the team is fully healthy but he's been playing. I'm around 75% sure he's not going to go back to playing 7:11 and 4:53 regardless of matchups going forward.

From everything I've heard, he has a good work ethic/motor and tries hard. When his conditioning was a problem last year, his effort was still there. Just keep him away from food. He doesn't have a problem doing the work.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
13,310
Santa Monica
With 3pt shooting down across the league, Grant/Romeo need to be fed 25-28mpg, with larger roles.

A high level 3 and D player is probably more valuable than less (which was speculated up-thread)

AN also needs to see the floor every game, DNP-CD is confidence draining and asset destroying
 

Eddie Jurak

Go Leafs Go
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2002
34,090
Melrose, MA
Several Celtic starters are shooting well below their previous career averages. That suggests that at least some regression to the mean is on the way.
 

chilidawg

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 22, 2015
3,330
Cultural hub of the universe
With 3pt shooting down across the league, Grant/Romeo need to be fed 25-28mpg, with larger roles.

A high level 3 and D player is probably more valuable than less (which was speculated up-thread)

AN also needs to see the floor every game, DNP-CD is confidence draining and asset destroying
If Grant's not playing the 5, there's just not enough 2/3/4 minutes to go around to do that. Grant and Romeo are playing pretty well, let's keep them in the regular rotation. Nesmith isn't, and needs to earn it in practice or in the G League.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
13,310
Santa Monica
If Grant's not playing the 5, there's just not enough 2/3/4 minutes to go around to do that. Grant and Romeo are playing pretty well, let's keep them in the regular rotation. Nesmith isn't, and needs to earn it in practice or in the G League.
Please no Center minutes for Grant +
1-9 are rarely all healthy +
IME needs to stop misplaying Al at the 4

Nesmith set some sort of consecutive 3pt record in practice. "Earn it in practice" is probably more of a crutch around here than NBA reality. AN is past G-League minutes, we saw that at the end of last season. Need to play/develop assets in order to get the veterans we need at the trade deadline. Oct/Nov/Dec is the time to do it.
The difference between AN & Parker/JH isn't large enough to play those JAGs.
 

Cesar Crespo

79
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
18,560
Several Celtic starters are shooting well below their previous career averages. That suggests that at least some regression to the mean is on the way.
Maybe, but the whole entire league is down. Regression to the mean is like .340 as a team, unless the entire league regresses. .369 to .344 is noticeable with the volume of 3 pointers teams shoot nowadays. (70+ attempts a game combined). It's an extra 1.75 3 pointers made per game.
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 26, 2005
24,867
Nesmith set some sort of consecutive 3pt record in practice. "Earn it in practice" is probably more of a crutch around here than NBA reality. AN is past G-League minutes, we saw that at the end of last season. Need to play/develop assets in order to get the veterans we need at the trade deadline. Oct/Nov/Dec is the time to do it.
The difference between AN & Parker/JH isn't large enough to play those JAGs.
Well Parker is primarily playing the 5, which I don't think anyone wants AN doing. JH is basically playing only garbage time minutes.

BTW, I believe AN broke the record for most 3Ps taken without missing two in a row, which was previously held by JT.

I hope AN starts playing more. I hope he makes it a no-brainer.
 

chilidawg

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 22, 2015
3,330
Cultural hub of the universe
Please no Center minutes for Grant +
1-9 are rarely all healthy +
IME needs to stop misplaying Al at the 4

Nesmith set some sort of consecutive 3pt record in practice. "Earn it in practice" is probably more of a crutch around here than NBA reality. AN is past G-League minutes, we saw that at the end of last season. Need to play/develop assets in order to get the veterans we need at the trade deadline. Oct/Nov/Dec is the time to do it.
The difference between AN & Parker/JH isn't large enough to play those JAGs.
Totally agree with the bolded. This team is in a tough place, needing to string together wins to stay in the playoff race, but also having guys like Nesmith and Pritchard who you'd like to develop. Right now those guys are like 11/12 on on the depth chart, so in competitive games they're just not going to see much in the way of minutes. Of course injuries will create some opportunities, but I'd rather see Grant and Langford get real rotation minutes (like they are) than split the minutes up too much.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
13,310
Santa Monica
Totally agree with the bolded. This team is in a tough place, needing to string together wins to stay in the playoff race, but also having guys like Nesmith and Pritchard who you'd like to develop. Right now those guys are like 11/12 on on the depth chart, so in competitive games they're just not going to see much in the way of minutes. Of course injuries will create some opportunities, but I'd rather see Grant and Langford get real rotation minutes (like they are) than split the minutes up too much.
Agree with Grant & Romeo building up real mins/roles.
top 7
8. Grant
9. Romeo
10. Kanter
11. Nesmith
12. Pritchard
13. Jabari
14. Hernangomez
15. Fernando

I see the argument for Nesmith DNP with a fully healthy roster, but that never happens

3pt shooting is at such a premium, it's worth the investment. Really need IME to get Nesmith in there for ~10mpg, there should be a payoff by the playoffs this year. The kid has a better stroke than Romeo/Grant, it's a comfort/confidence thing IMO.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
40,554
Agree with Grant & Romeo building up real mins/roles.
top 7
8. Grant
9. Romeo
10. Kanter
11. Nesmith
12. Pritchard
13. Jabari
14. Hernangomez
15. Fernando

I see the argument for Nesmith DNP with a fully healthy roster, but that never happens

3pt shooting is at such a premium, it's worth the investment. Really need IME to get Nesmith in there for ~10mpg, there should be a payoff by the playoffs this year. The kid has a better stroke than Romeo/Grant, it's a comfort/confidence thing IMO.
Meanwhile, Desmond Bane is averaging 15.6 PPG and shooting nearly 39% from downtown on high volume. Nice work there, Danny. Really nailed that deal.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
13,310
Santa Monica
Meanwhile, Desmond Bane is averaging 15.6 PPG and shooting nearly 39% from downtown on high volume. Nice work there, Danny. Really nailed that deal.
Nesmith, Saddiq Bey and Bane were all grouped together as the best 3pt shooters in that draft. With Nesmith considered the best of the 3.

Bane is a byproduct of being older with a more mature physique. He was fed consistent minutes from Game 1 rookie year. Memphis is reaping the rewards of its minute's investment.

The biggest knock on AN initially was his defense, but he makes up for it with an aggressive approach.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
40,554
Nesmith, Saddiq Bey and Bane were all grouped together as the best 3pt shooters in that draft. With Nesmith considered the best of the 3.

Bane is a byproduct of being older with a more mature physique. He was fed consistent minutes from Game 1 rookie year. Memphis is reaping the rewards of its minute's investment.

The biggest knock on AN initially was his defense, but he makes up for it with an aggressive approach.
All true. And we could have had 2 of those 3. More bites at the 3 point shooting is always a good thing, especially for a team that couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat.
 

Cesar Crespo

79
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
18,560
Meanwhile, Desmond Bane is averaging 15.6 PPG and shooting nearly 39% from downtown on high volume. Nice work there, Danny. Really nailed that deal.
Very good chance Danny doesn't take Bane anyway, not that it changes much. We'd just be asking for Bane instead of whoever he selected.
 

lexrageorge

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
14,000
All true. And we could have had 2 of those 3. More bites at the 3 point shooting is always a good thing, especially for a team that couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat.
Drafting Pritchard was probably the bigger mistake, as much as I didn't like panic trading a first just to dump Kanter.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
13,310
Santa Monica
Drafting Pritchard was probably the bigger mistake, as much as I didn't like panic trading a first just to dump Kanter.
In hindsight, going from Kanter to Thompson was a lateral move. Small move but had knock-on implications (draft pick/$$$).
There has always been way too much pearl-clutching around here when it comes to Kanter
All true. And we could have had 2 of those 3. More bites at the 3 point shooting is always a good thing, especially for a team that couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat.
Agree, not sure where this team would be without Grant and Romeo's 3pt shooting. I'm a huge fan of having the complimentary players shoot corner3s efficiently, it bends the defense and opens up the entire middle of the floor for JAYs/DS.

If Brad can't find a sniper via trade (expect 3pt shooters to be expensive with the drop league-wide) they need to develop another one (AN or PP) and more importantly have the real TATUM return.

The season starts tonight
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
22,882
Bane is a byproduct of being older with a more mature physique. He was fed consistent minutes from Game 1 rookie year. Memphis is reaping the rewards of its minute's investment.
We keep trying to invest in Nesmith but he keeps failing in each of his opportunities. If Bane was shooting 21% from 3 or struggling defensively I’m sure he wouldn’t be playing regularly either. Bane is more of an example of a guy taking advantage of his opportunity than one being granted minutes without being productive.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
22,882
Very good chance Danny doesn't take Bane anyway, not that it changes much. We'd just be asking for Bane instead of whoever he selected.
Exactly. Iirc, Bane was the first player he interviewed and never brought him back. There is zero evidence or even inclination that Ainge was ever interested in drafting Bane.
 

Cesar Crespo

79
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
18,560
We keep trying to invest in Nesmith but he keeps failing in each of his opportunities. If Bane was shooting 21% from 3 or struggling defensively I’m sure he wouldn’t be playing regularly either. Bane is more of an example of a guy taking advantage of his opportunity than one being granted minutes without being productive.
See Pritchard last year vs this year. Bad play, less minutes.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
13,310
Santa Monica
IMO 3pt efficiency is mostly "form" with a combination of game reps, situation, confidence.

I think we'd all agree he has the form. I'd roll the dice on him, rather than playing the JAGs after him, since the delta is so low amongst them.

The Celtics have multiple options years on AN, I could care less about Jabari/Hernangomez, they should never see the floor unless it's Gino time.

I'd play AN ahead of PP also, who is another player that has zero confidence at the moment.

top 7
8. Grant
9. Romeo
10. Kanter
11. Nesmith
12. Pritchard
13. Jabari
14. Hernangomez
15. Fernando
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
6,439
around the way
IMO 3pt efficiency is mostly "form" with a combination of game reps, situation, confidence.

I think we'd all agree he has the form. I'd roll the dice on him, rather than playing the JAGs after him, since the delta is so low amongst them.

The Celtics have multiple options years on AN, I could care less about Jabari/Hernangomez, they should never see the floor unless it's Gino time.

I'd play AN ahead of PP also, who is another player that has zero confidence at the moment.
This.
 

bakahump

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 8, 2001
6,929
Maine
@benhogan and @Jimbodandy you are 2 of my favorite posters in MBPC. But where are all these mins that Jabari and Herno is getting that you want AN to get in stead? When did PP get alot more egregious mins then AN?

Garbage and position specific seem the real culprits. Jabari played center for a few mins when RWill was out (so we needed some Big man mins). And Herno played in Garbage time (Which I think AN did as well).

And PP played some "guard mins" which I guess AN could have done but its a bit out of his comfort zone bringing the ball up and iniating the Offense.

Maybe I missed it. Just what egregious mins are you claiming he should have gotten???

Is he supposed to play before Romeo? Richardson? GWill? Those are the guys he is competing with.

No one wants to see AN play and develop more then Me (and the rest of us.....either to become that sniper or that trade bait).
I am just not sure what Ime can do other then ask the opposing coach if he wants to play a 5th quarter.

Actually as crazy as it sounds I might like to see AN START instead of "Current" Jaylen. One I think Jaylen isnt adding much if anything (i could be very wrong....his defense at times last night was decent). 2 I think AN might benefit from the attention that JT, DS and Al can draw in various forms. 3 Finally I think for young players alot of success is actually momentum. Example last year with PP and "his first shot". Get AN in early when a possession or 3 wont kill you. Let me take a shot or 3 with JT drawing 2 or a guy dropping to double Al in the post.
I see this (being the 4th or 5th option as a starter) as better opportunity then trying to be the 2nd or 3rd option with the reserves.

All of that may sound insane...but basically I dont think AN has a current spot as player 6-9. But I do think he could Start instead of Jaylen.

Of course Jaylen would need to be (and perhaps should be....) on the shelf for this to happen.

Finally i have no idea of the problems with internal dynamics this would cause. Would Schroder freak out? Would Richardson? Is AN "showing the necessary effort" in practice for Ime to be able to do this?

But until Jaylen sits....not sure there is mins for AN starting or off the bench beyond the junk wing mins. So in that aspect I agree He should play in front of Herno and (position dependent) Jabari
 

Cesar Crespo

79
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2002
18,560
Jaylen isn't being benched and there really aren't any minutes for AN if the team is healthy. Or PP.

There's a clear 7, Grant and Romeo. At 10, probably Kanter. AN has done nothing to deserve minutes and there are no minutes for him. He'll play in garbage time, when there is an injury or when there is foul trouble. Force feeding him minutes when he doesn't deserve those minutes can have an impact on the locker room, and will do nothing to help his trade value. If and when he gets real minutes, it will be because he earned them.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
6,439
around the way
Yeah I'm not at all saying that we should be forcing minutes to AN. I do agree with Ben that we shouldn't be spending any extra minutes on Jabari or (definitely) JH. Like, any time JH is in a game, we better be up or down 30. But even Jabari as a "WTF, go see if you can make something happen" guy bothers me. Not that it happens a lot (agreed baka), but I'd like to see AN first in line for extra/injury/maintenance minutes.

Yes, he hasn't exactly shined. But we know Juancho sucks. And we know what Jabari is. Pritchard has cratered. Let's see what Nesmith has, when we need to throw spaghetti against the wall.