Grapes Crushed - Cherry out from Coach's Corner

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Cherry said he watches Tucker all the time. The few times Orr has spoken about politics in Canada it has been to support right wing people. He was a fan of Canada's most corrupt PM, so this is a straw on the camel. Tucker is about as bad as it gets.
 

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Great. A lot of your athletes support right wing politicians. Look at baseball. Placing one selective moral barometer (e.g., political affiliation) over another (e.g., spousal fidelity) is intellectually dishonest. If it makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead. But it's pure and utter virtue signaling.
 

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Great. A lot of your athletes support right wing politicians. Look at baseball. Placing one selective moral barometer (e.g., political affiliation) over another (e.g., spousal fidelity) is intellectually dishonest. If it makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead. But it's pure and utter virtue signaling.
You do this every time. Why do you care what someone thinks of Bobby Orr?
 

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I see someone sent out your bat signal as well.

And I don't. I take greater issue with the "Look at me!" posts. I find them very self-satisfying and pointless. So if someone is going to post about it in a public forum, it's open game to be responded to.
 

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Great. A lot of your athletes support right wing politicians. Look at baseball. Placing one selective moral barometer (e.g., political affiliation) over another (e.g., spousal fidelity) is intellectually dishonest. If it makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead. But it's pure and utter virtue signaling.
The use of the term "virtue signalling" is a lazy and empty way to criticize something. It suggests the poster really doesn't believe what he or she posted. It's right up there with "social justice warrior" among the pejoratives used by those who can't seem to come up with a substantive response, but still want to dismiss the original comment. It's like using the term "politically correct" as some sort of fig leaf to cover up rancid behavior.

There is nothing "intellectually" dishonest about finding one particular quality in another person more repugnant than another.
I don't shout "miss it fuckhead" when I see Tiger Woods lining up for a putt because he's friends with the President. I do it because he fucked over his wife in a public and humiliating way. Is that "intellectually dishonest virtue signaling?" (I freely admit it may be idiotic, but I don't do it to show off some my feminist credentials).

Based on what I've read about Orr's public interactions, I dont agree with cleveland's take on Orr. But I don't think that take is saying "look how cool I am" anymore than saying "Cherry has to go" is.
 

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I didn't use the term emptily. I viewed the comment as a public proclamation expressing an opinion intended to demonstrate's one good character or the moral correctness of one's position (mildly adapted from the Dictionary from Google). Again a "LOOK AT ME!" type post that was pointless in the context of the thread outside of some demonstration of self-service.

Regardless, this whole discussion (including my comments) is stupid. Believe what you want to believe.
 

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Look he was my childhood hero. And all time favorite, almost a god. I, perhaps naively considered him unassailable in my eyes. I still admire his ability and play. But for him to be linked to Tucker Carlson hurts. A "say it ain't so" moment.

I would rather Cherry had a public discussion about immigrants, maybe talk to some etc. I teach ESL and stopped telling people (racist people) they were racist and inviting them to my class to meet the kids. I have had a few come, and an older guy around Cherry's age actually cried when talking to my kids. Lots of immigrants feel they don't deserve to wear a poppy since they have not fought or had family fight. Muslim kids often have been warned not to be casual, and to avoid any discussions or anything to do with war, etc. I have had Muslim students yelled at by old people for wearing a poppy. But once Tucker is involved hope for rationale discussion is gone.
 

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Who the heck is Jessica Allen? I've never heard of her either, but then she basically does the same thing Don did, while soeaking about Don

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/LisaLongball/status/1194483137415274496?s=08


I wonder if she will get the same treatement?
Also, she called Don a mysoginist, which I don't think has even been true at all. Or did I miss something somewhere?


I'll echo what most others have said. Don says a lot of stupid shit and I didn't agree with what he said at all. I'll miss Don the personality, but it was well past time for him to retire
 

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Wow she's coming down pretty condescending on anyone calling her out on Twitter too.

View: https://twitter.com/jessieraeallen/status/1194414141613707265

I never said every white boy, just the ones whose unsavoury behaviour, which didn’t feel very Canadian, I witnessed. Because of this, I am guilty of having conflicted feelings about hockey being so closely linked to our national identity.

I mean why even bring color into it if you only meant troublemakers? Just say troublemakers.
 

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She brought race into it because a white guy, a white hockey guy popular in hockey circles said something anti immigrant. Cherry being white is part of this. I dislike her need to say it was the boys, since plenty of hockey moms and female players are just as racist as DC. She did use non superlative, non 100% language "tend to be". That hockey is a white sport is not an outlandish stretch. That said she misses the boat in her "rich white male" attack since hockey and Cherry's supporters tend to be overwhelmingly blue collar, hence his love for the "small cities"

Don said women get hit by pucks at hockey games because they are talking and not watching the game.
 

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Who the heck is Jessica Allen? I've never heard of her either, but then she basically does the same thing Don did, while soeaking about Don

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/LisaLongball/status/1194483137415274496?s=08


I wonder if she will get the same treatement?
Also, she called Don a mysoginist, which I don't think has even been true at all. Or did I miss something somewhere?


I'll echo what most others have said. Don says a lot of stupid shit and I didn't agree with what he said at all. I'll miss Don the personality, but it was well past time for him to retire
Besides the "getting hit by a puck" comment, and he, very famously, said that women shouldn't be allowed in the locker room.
 
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Though, if I had to guess, they'll trot Ron out there by himself this weekend to take the slings and arrows on the slot, put together a few highlights of the segment over the decades, and quietly scrap it in favour of showing highlights of early games and the other 7:00 PM ET 1st periods.
Only that the Hall of Fame inductees are in town did we not get almost exactly this. Here's Ron taking a few minutes to reflect on the end:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnbZ6BZreeU