|Fred McGriff||16 votes, (100%)|
|Don Mattingly||8 votes, (50%)|
|Curt Schilling||7 votes (43.8%)|
|Dale Murphy||6 votes (37.5%)|
|Albert Belle||Less than 4 votes|
|Barry Bonds||Less than 4 votes|
|Roger Clemens||Less than 4 votes|
|Rafael Palmeiro||Less than 4 votes|
I would be. Bonds couldn’t get a roster spot a year after he had a 1045 ops, can’t imagine he can get one now.Would anyone really be shocked if Clemens actually pitches an inning or Bonds gets an at bat next year? Satchel Paige/ Minnie Minoso style? Their Hof ballet clocks reset.
That's not fair to Reggie Smith. He was a MUCH better player than Baines.McGriff isn't a terrific pick but he's 100x better than Harold Baines. The hall kind of lost me when they put Baines in. Might as well put anyone in. Might as well have put guys like Pedro Guerrero, Ron Cey and Reggie Smith in at that point. Just pick random all stars from 1982.
It's a strange remark if anyone has actually been to the BB HOF. There's one fairly-large room that has all the plaques on the walls, some of them above eye height, but they clearly have plenty of room to work with. But most of the Hall, like 95% of the square footage, is a series of museum exhibits tracing the history of the game and its different eras, telling the story of major influences on the game, and how the game influenced other things, and leaving you with a cohesive story in your mind the way any good museum does. There's some interactive exhibits, some rotating exhibits, maybe some things are displayed that are on loan. A gift shop, obviously. But the shrine with all the plaques is, frankly, the least important and least interesting part of the entire getup. It's just that without it, they couldn't have a huge induction bash on one weekend every summer. And it gives you a chance to take a picture in front of the plaque of your childhood faves (or whatever). That's it.Yes, one plaque ... such a huge addition
That's my point. The plaques don't take up any space. It's the BIG HALL that concerns me. I loved Crime Dog and not because of his nickname, I wasn't 10 years old when he played. But I loved Nomar and Freddy Patek and Harold Reynolds (as a player) and none of those 4 belong in the Hall of Fame, IMHO.That said, I will spend a lot of time arguing about who deserves to be inducted or not, because it's fun. But the Hall of Fame stands on its own like any other monument, regardless of who is or who isn't inducted. The only disaster is if they happen not to have anyone to induct in a given year.
I believe they're organizing a committee to consider candidates on a rotating basis from different constituencies -- this year was contemporary players, 2023 (for the 2024 class) is managers/executives, 2024 will be classic-era players... and I think the cycle starts up again after that.Some have been eligible in earlier votes of such committees. How they come up with the lists in future years, I'm not sure.
nugenix guy is against artificial assistance?Posnanski and Schur had a fun rundown of the players selected to the committee, and both predicted McGriff was the only surefire electee.
Not to go all V&N, but it's apropos here -- Posnanski made the conspiracy case that they intentionally selected 7 ballplayers who are on the record as being especially anti-steroids era (Sandberg, Chipper, Maddux, Morris, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas... actually they weren't sure about Trammel) in order to vote down Clemens/A-Rod/Bonds/Palmeiro and then take them off the table for the forseeable. He further predicted that the player that had the next best shot of getting elected was Schilling, on the (reasonable) assumption that those seven guys likely were aligned with, or at least unmoved by, much of Schilling's pontificating.
All made sense to me.
Before the announcement, Harold Reynolds asked Josh Rawitch what they were looking for when selecting the 16 member committee. He said they look for people who are open minded, willing to listen, and aren’t necessarily deeply connected to one candidate. “We don’t want it to be very obvious who they’re going to vote for.”Not to go all V&N, but it's apropos here -- Posnanski made the conspiracy case that they intentionally selected 7 ballplayers who are on the record as being especially anti-steroids era (Sandberg, Chipper, Maddux, Morris, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas... actually they weren't sure about Trammel) in order to vote down Clemens/A-Rod/Bonds/Palmeiro and then take them off the table for the foreseeable future.
He said "We don't want it to be very obvious who they're going to vote for", not "vote against."Before the announcement, Harold Reynolds asked Josh Rawitch what they were looking for when selecting the 16 member committee. He said they look for people who are open minded, willing to listen, and aren’t necessarily deeply connected to one candidate. “We don’t want it to be very obvious who they’re going to vote for.”
As you mentioned above, most of these players have made it very clear how they feel about the steroid era.
So before the last few got on there, this was like the grand daddy of sports trivia questions since there were 9 of them and you could field a lineup, with Murphy being the last. It is insane to me that he didn't get voted in, in the 80's he was one of just a few players who you would pretend to be in whiffle ball games. (This was pre-Bonds etc.)Murphy also holds the distinction of being one of just 13 players to win consecutive MVP awards:
Hell of a list to be on.
- Jimmie Foxx
- Hal Newhouser
- Yogi Berra
- Mickey Mantle
- Ernie Banks
- Roger Maris
- Joe Morgan
- Mike Schmidt
- Dale Murphy
- Barry Bonds
- Frank Thomas
- Albert Pujols
- Miguel Cabrera