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Just goes to show how much you can trust the “press” these days.

McPhee has a lot to answer for, and likely should be fired for this. At best, she got some bad info and rushed to frame it as a huge devolving story. At worst? I don’t know. But it’s probably not much worse than the “best case” scenario.
 

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Just goes to show how much you can trust the “press” these days.

McPhee has a lot to answer for, and likely should be fired for this. At best, she got some bad info and rushed to frame it as a huge devolving story. At worst? I don’t know. But it’s probably not much worse than the “best case” scenario.
Bwahahaha you think reporters answer for shit they report these days?
 

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Out of curiosity, how much money can you make as a part time fentynal(sp?) smuggler?

I mean... I guess I don't really know the answer, but this didn't seem to make a lot of sense, did it?
 

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I think one of the more likely scenarios is, as rumored, he was playing through an injury while with the Sox. And why wouldn't he, given the terms of his $22M option?

Now that the option's gone, he has a chance to recover from the injury, which could otherwise cause him to:

a) fail a physical
b) play poorly, and get crappy (or zero) offers next season
 

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Out of curiosity, how much money can you make as a part time fentynal(sp?) smuggler?

I mean... I guess I don't really know the answer, but this didn't seem to make a lot of sense, did it?
It doesn't make sense that he would get involved with this to make money, it might if he was helping a friend make money, although you'd think he'd be able to find a better way to help his friends, like pay them to do legal work.
 

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There is something really funny about using your friends name to get out of trouble, but out of everyone you know, you pick the famous guy with a super unique name.
 

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Out of curiosity, how much money can you make as a part time fentynal(sp?) smuggler?

I mean... I guess I don't really know the answer, but this didn't seem to make a lot of sense, did it?
Fentanyl.

435 grams? Holy shit. You could OD a city with that. That stuff is like 40+ x more powerful than heroin. You would think it being so much more potent would mean you'd have to traffic less of it, but I suppose, whatever fits in your statue of the Virgin Mary...
 

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Just checking: assuming the current story (drug dealer busted calls Hanley from his traffic stop in a futile effort to beat rap) holds, do people here think McPhee's and Minihane's behavior on this story counts as an example of Boston sports media racism?
 

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Just checking: assuming the current story (drug dealer busted calls Hanley from his traffic stop in a futile effort to beat rap) holds, do people here think McPhee's and Minihane's behavior on this story counts as an example of Boston sports media racism?
I don't know about racism, but it sure counts as an example of Boston sports media stupidity.
 

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Just checking: assuming the current story (drug dealer busted calls Hanley from his traffic stop in a futile effort to beat rap) holds, do people here think McPhee's and Minihane's behavior on this story counts as an example of Boston sports media racism?
Hard to say without knowing what exactly they were told.

In a story that had few details around the answers, but plenty of rumors and speculation, Hanley was DFA'd and hadn't found a new team, even weeks after his release. McPhee and Minihane were obviously in the wrong with how they behaved, but it's not clear to what extent they were wrong. Twisting facts? Shaping a narrative around a single source? Was McPhee told "Hanley is under federal investigation", or something more along the lines of "some guy got busted on drug charges, and tried to get Hanley to save him" - which sounds a lot worse for Hanley than "some joker FaceTimed Hanley as he was being arrested, in an effort to sway the cops".

At the same time, if this case involved Dustin Pedroia, I think there would have been more diligence in the reporting - if for nothing else than "Dustin doesn't seem like a drug dealer".

Race may have played a factor, but I feel like it was more tied to the timing of the arrest, Hanley's release, and Hanley's overall (perceived?) bone-headedness and aloofness. I don't think any other Red Sox player, regardless of race/color, would have received the same treatment under similar rumors. And if they did, I think they would have been more readily dismissed by the public.
 

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Just checking: assuming the current story (drug dealer busted calls Hanley from his traffic stop in a futile effort to beat rap) holds, do people here think McPhee's and Minihane's behavior on this story counts as an example of Boston sports media racism?
Their willingness to believe it meant Hanley was actually involved says something.
"I never said I believed it."
OK, fine, their willingness to traffic in horrible accusations that they don't really believe says something.

We'll never know, but I wonder if McPhee runs to the radio if the arrested guy had facetimed Pedroia?


EDIT: Simultaneous Pedroia convergence.
 

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Fentanyl.

435 grams? Holy shit. You could OD a city with that. That stuff is like 40+ x more powerful than heroin. You would think it being so much more potent would mean you'd have to traffic less of it, but I suppose, whatever fits in your statue of the Virgin Mary...
I think the question was more like why would someone who makes as much money as Hanley makes risk getting involved in drug trafficking just to make how much more?
 

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I think the question was more like why would someone who makes as much money as Hanley makes risk getting involved in drug trafficking just to make how much more?
Nobody getting into dealing drugs thinks they’ll get caught.
 

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Just checking: assuming the current story (drug dealer busted calls Hanley from his traffic stop in a futile effort to beat rap) holds, do people here think McPhee's and Minihane's behavior on this story counts as an example of Boston sports media racism?
Let’s ask Concerned Patriot.
 

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How does someone dropping Hanley's name figure it would get them out of these charges?
It establishes some sort of credibility for the driver and some cops may be influenced when getting to talk to a famous person like Hanley and not want to inconvenience him and maybe getting a thank you or tickets in return. This was in Red Sox territory. Many cops are fans.

I suspect if Hanleys name was not dropped and some unkown person was dropped instead they would not have even allowed a call.


In fact, IF this was Hanleys property he may have concocted the plan , telling his friend if he gets stopped and they want to search the box then call him and put him on the phone.

This only has a chance to work if its for random or trivial stops, and not when the stop is due to a credible tip. With a tip Police will search the car one way or another even if they have to get a warrant.

When the cop asked Hanley if they could open the box, Hanley (assuming it was his) figured out the game was up so the best strategy is say yes after denying its yours. His friend obviously has to retract since you dont want to make enemies of a friend with 100 million who might help you or your family out financially

I would not say this report is conclusive of Hanleys innocence anymore so than the initial report was conclusive of his guilt

Assuming he is innocent, and you pretty much have to without more info, its entirely on his friend and not the reporters who reported it.

Not sure how reliable the information is that Hanley is not under investigation since investigators dont make a habit of confirming such things. Also he may have been investigated for a period of time and cleared. I would say friends of drug dealers having such a large quantity of fentanyl will be looked at closely for a period of time even after being cleared by investigators

I do wonder of this is enough to get MLB to test Hanley . Illegal Recreational drugs are not tested for without some reason to link player with such drugs
 

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It establishes some sort of credibility for the driver and some cops may be influenced when getting to talk to a famous person like Hanley and not want to inconvenience him and maybe getting a thank you or tickets in return. This was in Red Sox territory. Many cops are fans.

I suspect if Hanleys name was not dropped and some unkown person was dropped instead they would not have even allowed a call.


In fact, IF this was Hanleys property he may have concocted the plan , telling his friend if he gets stopped and they want to search the box then call him and put him on the phone.

This only has a chance to work if its for random or trivial stops, and not when the stop is due to a credible tip. With a tip Police will search the car one way or another even if they have to get a warrant.

When the cop asked Hanley if they could open the box, Hanley (assuming it was his) figured out the game was up so the best strategy is say yes after denying its yours. His friend obviously has to retract since you dont want to make enemies of a friend with 100 million who might help you or your family out financially

I would not say this report is conclusive of Hanleys innocence anymore so than the initial report was conclusive of his guilt

Assuming he is innocent, and you pretty much have to without more info, its entirely on his friend and not the reporters who reported it.

Not sure how reliable the information is that Hanley is not under investigation since investigators dont make a habit of confirming such things. Also he may have been investigated for a period of time and cleared. I would say friends of drug dealers having such a large quantity of fentanyl will be looked at closely for a period of time even after being cleared by investigators

I do wonder of this is enough to get MLB to test Hanley . Illegal Recreational drugs are not tested for without some reason to link player with such drugs
If crack has the same lifespan as coke, it’s out in 48 hours. No clue on fentanyl.
 

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If crack has the same lifespan as coke, it’s out in 48 hours. No clue on fentanyl.
I ran point on a 911 call on a what was ostensibly a trained psychologist--who researches even his vitamins--when he started losing the ability to breathe on fentanyl a couple of years ago.

One of the cops on scene flinched when he found out what the guy had taken. And then he just started shaking his head... and then made a funny crack.

The shit is insane. That people are risking it for the high is kinda intense.
 

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I ran point on a 911 call on a what was ostensibly a trained psychologist--who researches even his vitamins--when he started losing the ability to breathe on fentanyl a couple of years ago.

One of the cops on scene flinched when he found out what the guy had taken. And then he just started shaking his head... and then made a funny crack.

The shit is insane. That people are risking it for the high is kinda intense.
It’s friggin crazy but it’s also a big contributor to the OD epidemic we see. Dealers are cutting it into heroin for the marketing of ‘the best shit’ (so to speak) and people are taking without even knowing it. They take the normal dose of bump a bit to increase and it’s fatal. I have a DEA friend who on a stake out was following a suspect, the guy freaked out and smashed his stash and my friend had to strip down to skivvies to get hosed down and have new equipment issued next day to eliminate anything airborne. Shit, I saw my dad on it a couple years ago in an ER, who’d been through multiple invasive surgeries and plenty of morphine and other meds and he was lucid but high as a friggin kite (awesome sidebar to that day, it’s when he told my sister and I he had leukemia). It’s some seriously fucked up shit and it’s an epidemic. As noted by other poster, even small amounts are dangerous. Not that anyone needs to be told that by me, but it scares the fuck out of me in a societal sense.
 

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I've been on fentanyl several times in hospital. It feels euphoric while eliminating pain and allowing one to maintain a sense of lucidity. An amazing drug when used appropriately, yet outside of a hospital it has no place. If I had been of my own devices and free to take more, I most likely would have.

This story and its tenuous, though not dismissable connection to Hanley leaves me feeling blue.
 

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Fentanyl.

435 grams? Holy shit. You could OD a city with that. That stuff is like 40+ x more powerful than heroin. You would think it being so much more potent would mean you'd have to traffic less of it, but I suppose, whatever fits in your statue of the Virgin Mary...
If a drug is diluted, it's common to use the entire weight (i.e., drug plus diluting agent) when charging.
 

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If a drug is diluted, it's common to use the entire weight (i.e., drug plus diluting agent) when charging.
That seems odd. It's not the way booze is taxed/enforced. Is a pound of weed significantly more than the equivalent of concentrate (dunno, maybe few grams) in the eyes of the law?
 

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Fentanyl is powerful and its abuse makes no sense to me. However the legal enforcements sure seem to push drugs in that direction. I’d imagine veterinary opioids like etorphine are coming soon, if not already.
 

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That seems odd. It's not the way booze is taxed/enforced. Is a pound of weed significantly more than the equivalent of concentrate (dunno, maybe few grams) in the eyes of the law?
Depends on the law, but in most states you can't argue that because your ounce of coke is cut with more rat poison more than that other guy's ounce of coke, you should get less time or be charged with a lesser crime.

(However, it used to be pretty common in FL to delay MJ trafficking cases until the weed had dried out and lost some water weight. Sometimes that would shift you down a category, reducing the defendant's exposure. Now most enforcement agencies use hermetically sealed containers. Alas.)
 

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Depends on the law, but in most states you can't argue that because your ounce of coke is cut with more rat poison more than that other guy's ounce of coke, you should get less time or be charged with a lesser crime.

(However, it used to be pretty common in FL to delay MJ trafficking cases until the weed had dried out and lost some water weight. Sometimes that would shift you down a category, reducing the defendant's exposure. Now most enforcement agencies use hermetically sealed containers. Alas.)
I would think the law cares a lot more about how much you were going to sell, and people sell by weight, not effective weight, pure weight, or anything like that. It's the whole reason to cut the product, right?
 

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If a drug is diluted, it's common to use the entire weight (i.e., drug plus diluting agent) when charging.
I thought that was changed with regard to crack? Though I remember my brother’s gf getting in a jackpot when caught with gummies because the prosecutors were using the weight of the gummies as the amount of pot she possessed.
 

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I thought that was changed with regard to crack? Though I remember my brother’s gf getting in a jackpot when caught with gummies because the prosecutors were using the weight of the gummies as the amount of pot she possessed.
Crack had a 100x multiplier added to it's weight, because obviously it was 100x more addictive and evil than cocaine.
 

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Plus it's quite alarming to see the level of expertise on SOSH when it comes to drugs :eek:
This is why SOSH is an oasis on the internet. I’m like, these guys know as much about fentanyl as they do about baseball.

I learned a lot from reading this thread. I’m not sure anything of that will be useful, unless I decide to become a drug dealer or an addict, however.
 

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Fentanyl is powerful and its abuse makes no sense to me. However the legal enforcements sure seem to push drugs in that direction. I’d imagine veterinary opioids like etorphine are coming soon, if not already.
I'm really thinking it's becoming more widespread because it's easier to make than heroin and it's more powerful, so less is needed. Really a fucking nightmare for drug abuse.
 

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I'm really thinking it's becoming more widespread because it's easier to make than heroin and it's more powerful, so less is needed. Really a fucking nightmare for drug abuse.
SoSH became a Dark Web Drug Depot so gradually, I didn't even notice.
 
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