Just tell GH that with global warming, Boston will be a coastal paradise and MIA will be under water.
That, or change the weather.
Hayward to Boston...Really, We Mean It
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That, or change the weather.
My gut says he stays in Utah - he can make more money, he doesn't have to uproot his family and he seems to have a few good friends on that team and is pretty beloved by the fans. If it were me I would have to be pretty blown away by the Celtics meeting today to move to Boston.
And if he signs in Miami...well, that's just dumb.
And if he signs in Miami...well, that's just dumb.
There are very good reasons for him to stay in Utah, but their path to a championship during Hayward's prime is almost non-existent, whereas Boston's is "have a top-10 player whose GM isn't retarded come on the market."
I don't think the feel of the city really matters that much. It's stupid for us plebes to project our experiences on the luxo life these guys can lead. There are plenty of high end things to do. You don't have to deal with snow and shit you have people that do. Etc.
At least in this case we're dealing with a white dude that doesn't have to worry about a racist perception (or reality) etc.
In short I'm not sure the city has a significant impact. If it did why weren't the Clippers an A+ destination all those years? Why did they have to leave San Diego? Etc.
At least in this case we're dealing with a white dude that doesn't have to worry about a racist perception (or reality) etc.
In short I'm not sure the city has a significant impact. If it did why weren't the Clippers an A+ destination all those years? Why did they have to leave San Diego? Etc.
Not to be a turd in the punch bowl (again), but isn't the Celtics' championship pedigree a little bit of a misnomer in today's NBA? Yes, they have won 17 titles as a franchise but only one in the last 30 years. The Heat won a few between the Shaq/Wade pairing and then the LeBron/Wade/Bosh era. So too have the Spurs if they get involved.
If I'm a modern NBA player, championships from bygone eras are great, but I'm more interested in the teams that are still winning with some regularity. I'm not so sure 16 titles that were won before I was born are going to do much to fire me up.
I think Boston's best pitch is the head coach and the fact that they were a top seed last year and a player or two away from being the ones to knock out Cleveland and get a crack at the title as soon as Year One. The Heat don't have that, to my knowledge, but will that matter over the contract offer?
If I'm a modern NBA player, championships from bygone eras are great, but I'm more interested in the teams that are still winning with some regularity. I'm not so sure 16 titles that were won before I was born are going to do much to fire me up.
I think Boston's best pitch is the head coach and the fact that they were a top seed last year and a player or two away from being the ones to knock out Cleveland and get a crack at the title as soon as Year One. The Heat don't have that, to my knowledge, but will that matter over the contract offer?
"Misnomer"...? No. Are the first 16 particularly relevant? Maybe not, although it does help explain the rabid fan base, which might be relevant.
More to your point, the current GM/ownership has shown the ability to put together a championship club. That does seem relevant. Recent success helps, too, as you note. And the fact that this GM has built up a war chest of future assets is likely a plus factor as well.
Maybe not as plus as palm trees, but relevant nonetheless!
More to your point, the current GM/ownership has shown the ability to put together a championship club. That does seem relevant. Recent success helps, too, as you note. And the fact that this GM has built up a war chest of future assets is likely a plus factor as well.
Maybe not as plus as palm trees, but relevant nonetheless!
And while it's part of the game, KG's injury in 2009 probably cost us 2 more. For sure 2009. That team was going to win 70.
The Heat was the team whose supposed selling point was The Championship Pedigree. Posters here were just pointing out that the Celtics also have something like that.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that dudes who make $30M a year find pretty great schools for their kids in just about any city.
Side note......Perkins blowing out his knee in Game 6 vs the Lakers almost certainly cost us another championship. I still have nightmares of Gasol and Bynum playing volleyball above a lead-footed Big Baby on the offensive glass in Game 7. They had something like 25 offensive rebounds in a game that we only lost by 4 points.
I think that was the most frustrated I have been watching any sporting event.
None of it would have mattered if Ray Allen didn't pick that game to vomit all over himself.
Fuck that game sucked. Nobody mention that game to Hayward.
Fuck that game sucked. Nobody mention that game to Hayward.
Me as well, though more for the 37-17 free throw advantage that LA enjoyed. Most corrupt officiating since the 2002 Lakers/Kings Game 6.
For those unable to see the tweet, its someone posting a story Hayward wrote about E-gaming where he was telling Stevens that he was playing in a tournament that featured a cash prizes. Hayward was asking if that was ok with the NCAA and Stevens doesn't have a damn clue what he is talking about.
Even NH has top flight private high schools, two of which better than anything MA has to offer (says someone biased
. Its a fair point that $30m and deity status in the community would likely open up decent education opens for the children wherever he ends up.After the prices paid for Cousins, Butler and George over the last 6 months perhaps its not safe to keep assuming everyone else is stoopid and maybe re-calibrate.
As others have pointed out in the various threads (though with dissenting opinions to be sure) Bradley and Crowder drew their value mostly from being solid-to-good on good contracts. The pu pu platter of end of the round picks was just that. Danny wants to steel the player or not have him at all, which is his right, but it doesn't make everyone else an idiot.
As a side note, when did the difference between trading for PG at the deadline and PG now move from their top picks plus players into that pile of nothing? Is it just the extra playoff run, as that doesn't seem good enough.
I'll agree with your second sentence...the point is with unlimited funds you should be able to be pretty happy anywhere, and if your thing is international celebrities in the first row, jet-skiing in March, and power boating at 2 AM, Miami is your town...if it's seasons and famous hospitals and famous schools, maybe not. As for your first, I myself went to a private high school in NH, presumably south of yours, but I'm not sure I agree.Even NH has top flight private high schools, two of which better than anything MA has to offer (says someone biased
We don't know what drives Hayward. Some of us are more money driven. Some just want to win. Some care about externals more. Unless and until we know him, we're all just spitballing.
If it were me, I'd think it's all stupid money so I would go where I would have the chance to win on a realistic timeline. But projecting my peccadilloes onto someone I do not know is of extremely limited value, at best.
If it were me, I'd think it's all stupid money so I would go where I would have the chance to win on a realistic timeline. But projecting my peccadilloes onto someone I do not know is of extremely limited value, at best.
Lebron is on record saying Brad's an amazing coach, and Kobe's on record saying the Boston fans are amazing to play in front of. It's probably a combo of those two clips.
Amen
that 4th qtr hatchet-job should take its place with Larry Barnett and Ben Dreith in the pantheon Boston teams getting reamed by officials
LA had more free throws in the fourth (20) than Boston did the entire game, and I think only two were on intentional fouls late. They let both teams shove each other around for the first three quarters and then went super one-sided in the fourth. They also let Gasol catch his own airball and shoot again for a score, and it happened with under two minutes left so they could have reviewed it. Bigtime bullshit.
Miami could have had Hayward tour the baseball stadium too---its empty even during games so plenty of space available!
They should also show a video of the last famous Celtic born and raised in Indiana. It worked out pretty well for him.
What fanbase in any sport has ever tempered their expectations on anything?
It's OK to be a fan. It can be fun.
Also, calling it a longshot seems a bit much. This is the most realistic max free agent target the Celtics have ever had. I'd say even more realistic than Horford last year.
What's the exact downside to this free agent chase for you? Do you think they should've gone after an even longer shot or something?
Besides the extra playoff run an extra time to convince George to stay, at the deadline the players going back could be expiring, or voidable, deals like Amir, Jonas and/or Zeller.
Now the salaries going back would've had to come from at least two of Bradley/Crowder/Smart/Jaylen.
Yeah, I don't get this "temper expectations" stuff. The Celtics are a viable option for a 27 year-old all-star. We're on the short list as he's only considering 3 teams. That's not a long shot in any way shape or form.
And if we don't get him, we'll all be disappointed but life will go on and we'll be able to watch guys like Jaylen and Jayson develop along with Zizic and maybe Yabusele.
The Patriots have basically ruined Boston sports fandom because of this "championship or bust" mentality. Ainge has absolutely nailed it the past 4 years but you're still going to see a bunch of criticism if Hayward does not choose us.
I don't think the players could have been Amir or Zeller, unless the deal was widened substantially as it would have hobbled the bench for said playoff run. Pretty sure the rumors had the PG/SG/SF names in it regardless as they wanted players.
This post nails it. The "hot takez" crowd on your local sports shows and on the major sites/networks will go at Ainge but he parlayed two aging stars and several good NBA rotation players who were never going to help the Celtics win into a team that looks to be competitive for years to come. And he did so without having to tank long-term. He also took a chance and hired a man who is now widely considered a top coach in today's NBA. I know not everyone is enamored of what Danny has done but imho, he is right there with the Spurs and Warriors in terms of how to build a team.
I think you're referring to the Celtics draft night offer for George.
Reports on Celtics trade deadline offer for George was 4 first round picks, including this years Brooklyn pick. No mention of any players.
First reported by Jeff Goodman here
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672625265960031417-4
Confirmed by Adam Himmlesbach here
Yep, that was the proposal I was incorrectly referring to! Maybe there was different discussion at the time?
If the deal was that four pick haul including the top 4, then fair enough the players could have been just salary filler.
I hadn't considered this, and I think I follow the math, but a consequence would have been losing max cap space if I'm not mistaken? I guess they could have pushed for a sign and trade for the FA using Bradley/Crowder/Smart/Jaylen salaries, but then its just the order of operations.
I think that point of opportunity to get buy-in through a playoff run must of been real though, because it still seems that:
CelticsDeadlineOffer - LastCelticsOffer >>>>> one extra kick at the can with PG*
*When Danny probably still wouldn't consider them favorites in the East or Finals if they got there
Source said he hopes to make a decision by Tuesday or Wednesday
Hayward decision expected Tuesday or Wednesday.
They might not want to escape in January or February, but the other ten months of the year they do.
Yeah, when acquiring top 20 NBA players you don't give a shit about the deal's impact on the end of the bench. Or even the backup center. You pocket the top 20 player and gladly send out the pick regardless.
I'm sure that Bird wanted lots of players in the deal, which is why it didn't happen then. But in retrospect I bet a lot of people in Pacers front office wish they had Fultz today.
I'm sure they do and I think it's why they are so pissed about hearing from PG when they did.
"We did everything we could, but ultimately Gordon went in another direction. I like the team we have and we'll continue to develop and get better for the upcoming season."
--Probably Danny Ainge on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Sorry. Gary Washburn.
NBA source on #Celtics-Hayward meeting: "Felt like the communication was excellent and the case was made for Gordon being a great fit.”
I was surprised by how few reports there have been today about the visit and who was involved. Don't know what, if anything, to make of the limited news.
I think Boston's best approach was the one that they reportedly did. Focus on basketball, and specifically what Hayward added to this Celtic team looks like.
I do think Hayward's prior relationship with Stevens is a meaningful advantage for the Celtics, but not in the way many have argued/assumed. In other words, I don't think "playing for his former college coach" is a top priority for Hayward (more likely, it isn't a priority at all, he's deciding based on other criteria).
The reasons why Stevens is an advantage:
First, Hayward presumably knows and trusts him in a way that probably puts him on an even footing with Quin Snyder and ahead of Spoelstra. Spoelstra is a very good coach, but not one with whom Hayward has the same personal and professional relationship as he does with Snyder and Stevens.
Second, Stevens, in his short time in the NBA, has a strong track record of success, is highly thought of around the league, has a secure job/strong relationship with his front office, knows the game about as well as any coach and better than most.
Neither of these things will directly be the reason why Hayward chooses Boston, if he does. But they did put the Celtics in a better position from which to pitch him on coming to Boston. He doesn't have to wonder if Stevens is BSing him, he knows what it is like to play for him, and I'm sure the Celtics made a great presentation on where they see him fitting in. (I don't imagine they told him they plan to make him their #1 scoring option - I would guess they showed him a lot of film on what kind of opportunities would be there for him in the Celtics' system.)
I'm really sure that a dude about to make over 20 million a year gives a crap about public schools for his kid or saving $200 on a plane ticket visiting his kid in college.