Hockey "Culture" and Sexual Assault

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Yeah I'm sure Bowman and MacIsaac will end up in soup kitchens.

His and Kane's post-game comments were almost as chickenshit as the Panthers' decision to let Q coach then skip post-game media
 

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Yeah I'm sure Bowman and MacIsaac will end up in soup kitchens.

His and Kane's post-game comments were almost as chickenshit as the Panthers' decision to let Q coach then skip post-game media
Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel both came out and said the players all knew about it and Kyle Beech said last night that everyone on the team knew about it and made slurs and jokes towards him. Hearing Kane and Toews' responses last night are illustrative of how that kind of culture could have existed. Toews was the captain. It's on him.
 

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Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel both came out and said the players all knew about it and Kyle Beech said last night that everyone on the team knew about it and made slurs and jokes towards him. Hearing Kane and Toews' responses last night are illustrative of how that kind of culture could have existed. Toews was the captain. It's on him.
As stated by many on Twitter, those presently in the league don’t remember anything , and those out of it remember everything.

I am embarrassed to be a hockey fan today. Between Florida still employing Q, not having him face the media, and the absolutely gutless and spineless comments from Bill Zito, to the Toews and Kane medical memory issues that suddenly have occurred, to Bettman’s feckless leadership, and even to NHL.com posting an article calling Kyle Beach an “accuser”, this whole ordeal has stained the sport.

It’s truly disgusting.

My expectations were low, but somehow the NHL has showed that mine were too high. I am appalled by this, and it legitimately affects my desire to follow this garbage league.
 

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As stated by many on Twitter, those presently in the league don’t remember anything , and those out of it remember everything.

I am embarrassed to be a hockey fan today. Between Florida still employing Q, not having him face the media, and the absolutely gutless and spineless comments from Bill Zito, to the Toews and Kane medical memory issues that suddenly have occurred, to Bettman’s feckless leadership, and even to NHL.com posting an article calling Kyle Beach an “accuser”, this whole ordeal has stained the sport.

It’s truly disgusting.

My expectations were low, but somehow the NHL has showed that mine were too high. I am appalled by this, and it legitimately affects my desire to follow this garbage league.
I'm with you. Best sport, worst league. Every time they have a chance to handle a situation like this the right way, they fail. Every time. Hockey culture is poisonous and destructive and the league is run by a bunch of old dipshits that believe its "special." No - its what allows things like this to happen. I don't think Q survives the day. Cheveldayoff shouldn't either but that's because the PR has swung so badly the last 48 hours, not because of a sense of accountability. Unfortunately there wont be any accountability for Jonathan Toews, Duncan Keith, Patrick Kane and the other players on that team that either joked about it or were in a position of power to do something about it. A blackhawks intern was assaulted after this and that's on all of them. A 16 year old kid in Michigan was assaulted and that's on all of them. There are almost certainly others, and its on them. But they won a cup. Assholes.
 

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Quenneville will probably be done today due to the backlash out there already. Bettman will read the tea leaves.

I never want to hear a broadcaster laud Jonathan Toews as Captain Serious, the greatest leader in hockey again. Toews is an asshole and a fraud.
 

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Wow. This takes a lot of guts. I hope it doesn't open him up to criticism by identifying himself.
Speaking from experience - any time a male comes forward with a story of male on male sexual assault - he will receive a lot of criticism. From "why didn't you beat him up," to "well you must have enjoyed it then."

It's why a lot of males (relative to women - who also have low numbers of coming foward) just..don't come foward. Sometimes the secondary trauma is worse than the initial.
 

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Quenneville will probably be done today due to the backlash out there already. Bettman will read the tea leaves.
I hope he is out. I hope is not because of "backlash" but because the only version of events out there is that Quenneville protected an assistant coach who sexually assaulted a player and that coaches who protect such criminals should not be permitted to coach in the NHL. Not remembering is not the same as denying. Bettman knows this. I doubt he has the nerve to say it.
 

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Quenneville will probably be done today due to the backlash out there already. Bettman will read the tea leaves.

I never want to hear a broadcaster laud Jonathan Toews as Captain Serious, the greatest leader in hockey again. Toews is an asshole and a fraud.
Those comments by Toews are shocking levels of WTF. I know none of the players who responded to Beach by hazing him are going to face any repercussions, but man, it would be nice to see it happen just once.
 

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This is gross. I don't know what else to say.


I'm going to cancel Fubo, as the NHL is the only reason I subscribe. I know it doesn't move the needle, but at least I won't be indirectly supporting this league right now.
 

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I'm angry and sad that there are people in positions of power in a sport that I love who clearly value success over basic human ethics.
 

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Jonathan Toews not getting it here is the most predictable part of this story. The guy is giant piece of shit.
 

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I hope he is out. I hope is not because of "backlash" but because the only version of events out there is that Quenneville protected an assistant coach who sexually assaulted a player and that coaches who protect such criminals should not be permitted to coach in the NHL. Not remembering is not the same as denying. Bettman knows this. I doubt he has the nerve to say it.
Coach Q also wrote Aldrich a letter of rec following that matter’s resignation for a youth hockey position, where Aldrich proceeded to assault a 16 year old. This is some Cardinal Law shit.
 

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The Panthers owe Quenneville a ton of money. He's just started year 3 of a 5 year contract that pays him $5.25 million annually. They are on the hook for roughly $15 million. That will 100% dictate their decision making if his fate is left in their hands. He won't be gone unless they can terminate the contract.

You can't force them to hand back the rings and what not, but the NHL should remove the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks names from the Stanley Cup and order the banner hanging in the United Center be taken down. For Christ's sake, Aldrich's name is on the stupid thing.
 

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The NFL is a worse league but this is a really bad look.

My only hope is that we've seen a lot of things blow up in the league the last few years, and while it's real messy right now, hopefully it sparks some major changes in the way hockey culture handles things. Sexism, racism, homophobia...all been very publically called out and forced into discussion. Hopefully the decks get cleared of not just the perpetrators but also the enablers, and while hockey will always have a collectivist culture, individuals will be less afraid to speak up when things are wrong.
 

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The NFL is a worse league but this is a really bad look.

My only hope is that we've seen a lot of things blow up in the league the last few years, and while it's real messy right now, hopefully it sparks some major changes in the way hockey culture handles things. Sexism, racism, homophobia...all been very publically called out and forced into discussion. Hopefully the decks get cleared of not just the perpetrators but also the enablers, and while hockey will always have a collectivist culture, individuals will be less afraid to speak up when things are wrong.
I have 2 nephews playing at the AAA elite level at ages 11 and 8 and my son is 6 in youth hockey and I'm sad to say, we have a LONG way to go.
 

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Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel both came out and said the players all knew about it and Kyle Beech said last night that everyone on the team knew about it and made slurs and jokes towards him. Hearing Kane and Toews' responses last night are illustrative of how that kind of culture could have existed. Toews was the captain. It's on him.
On a related note, Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel have openly talked about their struggles off the ice.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/contributors/nick-boynton

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/brent-sopel-dyslexia-dysgraphia-nhl
 

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Hockey has improved immensely, but IMHO opinion still the worst, in terms of what they allow from coaches, and do to players.
I think the group is smaller, limited to white guys from Canada and a few USA spots. I still hear from junior hockey teams stories of coaches drinking on team busses, and using the type of language (P---y, f----t, etc) that was gone from hoops, a long time ago. These kids will play 70-80 game seasons. Games are scheduled without a break for school exams, etc. In fact, during the study weeks they usually add extra games since travel is easier. 16 year old kids get traded halfway across Canada midseason. There are fewer and fewer teams like this, but they are still there. Many of these teams are in small rural Canadian towns where much/all of the organization has been there for years, and they don't really like some college city boy coming in telling them how to do things. For example, provinces with vax mandates are seeing some Jr hockey teams just ignore them for their fans. Football, Basketball, baseball have most of the developmental leagues at educational institutions.
 

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I have 2 nephews playing at the AAA elite level at ages 11 and 8 and my son is 6 in youth hockey and I'm sad to say, we have a LONG way to go.
I coach u12 and my son (8) and daughter (6) both play. I’m horrified by some of the coaches and parents, but it’s getting better…slowly, but it is.
 

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I coached minor midget for 2 years in Toronto. Every kid had at least 1 parent at every practice and game. There was no room for tomfoolery.

P.S. This was a house league.
 

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Coach Q also wrote Aldrich a letter of rec following that matter’s resignation for a youth hockey position, where Aldrich proceeded to assault a 16 year old. This is some Cardinal Law shit.
This combined with what Q knew makes it fucking ridiculous that they even let him coach yesterday. If they try to get away with anything short of firing him completely that organization should be burned to the ground.
 

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I'm with you. Best sport, worst league….Hockey culture is poisonous and destructive and the league is run by a bunch of old dipshits that believe its "special.
Mild correction; The people in power using fear and intimidation across the league are not all old…otherwise, yes - that’s how the NHL rolls, from Bettman on down.
 

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Mild correction; The people in power using fear and intimidation across the league are not all old…otherwise, yes - that’s how the NHL rolls, from Bettman on down.
Very fair. I just had people like Bill Daly and Colin Campbell in mind.
 

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My expectations were low, but somehow the NHL has showed that mine were too high. I am appalled by this, and it legitimately affects my desire to follow this garbage league.
100%.

Honestly feel like if the league doesn't throw the book at these assholes who covered this up, I can't really justify continuing to engage with this product.
 

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Catching up on all of this, and... jesus. I expected the league and team management types to be either callous or grossly incompetent and they somehow still found a new low. But I'm even more incensed at the NHLPA's (lack of) response. Their duty is to protect the players, and a player was not only assaulted by a coach, but further marginalized by his teammates.

Also it always rubbed me the wrong way how Toews was always portrayed as being "of the same mold" as Bergeron. He always emanated a douchebag energy but one could never quite pin it down. Thankfully he removed all doubt today.
 

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Also it always rubbed me the wrong way how Toews was always portrayed as being "of the same mold" as Bergeron. He always emanated a douchebag energy but one could never quite pin it down. Thankfully he removed all doubt today.
Toews has me more pissed off than 1000 Matt Cookes. I'm ready for someone to go Aldo Raine with a skate blade to Toews's forehead.
 

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No discipline for Cheveldayoff. They determined he no involvement, aside from attending the meeting, and he wasn't in senior management position and therefor unable to do anything. Basically, they bought the "i thought my superiors were handling it" defense.

View: https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1454113183074066435?s=20
I thought he was the assistant GM, and he lied earlier about not knowing anything until after Aldrich was terminated? Guess he is high up in enough in the NHL old boys club to skate away free on this...
 

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I thought he was the assistant GM, and he lied earlier about not knowing anything until after Aldrich was terminated? Guess he is high up in enough in the NHL old boys club to skate away free on this...
Yeah, he was the AGM. The league essentially buys that he wasn't fully briefed on the claims and his attendance in the meeting was his only involvement. As the lowest ranking individual in the room, he had no authority or responsibility over the matter. The blame got put on Cheveldayoff's boss (Bowman), boss' boss (McDonough) and Quenneville who had oversight over Aldrich.
 

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Has anyone said "Im sorry - I really messed up here. Things like this won't ever happen on my watch again and I hope Kyle Beach and the other victims can forgive me for my role in this"? Anyone said I'm sorry at all? These people are despicable. Is that because of the lawsuit? Settle the lawsuit guys. You need to settle the lawsuit. Even if you win, that would be devastating for your franchise. Give him whatever he's asking for and say you're sorry.
 

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Has anyone said "Im sorry - I really messed up here. Things like this won't ever happen on my watch again and I hope Kyle Beach and the other victims can forgive me for my role in this"? Anyone said I'm sorry at all? These people are despicable. Is that because of the lawsuit? Settle the lawsuit guys. You need to settle the lawsuit. Even if you win, that would be devastating for your franchise. Give him whatever he's asking for and say you're sorry.
Yes. Kyle Beach said he was sorry to the 16 year old who the Blackhawks allowed to get assaulted by giving Aldrich a quality work review.
 

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Has anyone said "Im sorry - I really messed up here. Things like this won't ever happen on my watch again and I hope Kyle Beach and the other victims can forgive me for my role in this"? Anyone said I'm sorry at all? These people are despicable. Is that because of the lawsuit? Settle the lawsuit guys. You need to settle the lawsuit. Even if you win, that would be devastating for your franchise. Give him whatever he's asking for and say you're sorry.
Donald Fehr has come the closest:
Kyle Beach has been through a horrific experience and has shown true courage in telling his story," Fehr wrote. "There is no doubt that the system failed to support him in his time of need, and we are part of that system.

"In his media interview, Mr. Beach stated that several months after the incident he told someone at the NHLPA the details of what happened to him. He is referring to one of the program doctors with the NHL/NHLPA player assistance program. While this program is confidential between players and the doctors, the grave nature of this incident should have resulted in further action on our part. The fact that it did not was a serious failure. I am truly sorry, and I am committed to making changes to ensure it does not happen again."
 

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Fehr's statement marks the first time anyone involved here assumed even a hint of responsibility. Everyone else can just get fucked. (I mean, Fehr can get fucked too, but at least he acknowledged the failure and apologized.)

Jonathan Toews not getting it here is the most predictable part of this story. The guy is giant piece of shit.
Quoted for truth.
 

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Hockey Night in Canada had an excellent pre game show about the Kyle Beach story. Extremely professional and well done.
btw way I don’t see how firing the video coach distracts the team from paying for the Stanley cup.

fire video coach
Keep playing hockey until we win it all.
 
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No merit, yet they fired the accused? What was the case about then?
 

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No merit, yet they fired the accused? What was the case about then?
Fire them into the sun. They've handled this situation for the entirety of it in a way that shows how deeply they felt like they'd not be held accountable for this awfulness. It's like they thought they'd be fine because McDonough is gone. There has yet to be even a sympathetic person from their side outside of their victim.

I don't remember where I heard it, I think on a podcast, but if they were willing to sweep this kind of mess under the rug for a video coach, it makes you wonder what other bullshit she brushed away or what they would brush away if it was a star player. Ahem.
 

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Fire them into the sun. They've handled this situation for the entirety of it in a way that shows how deeply they felt like they'd not be held accountable for this awfulness. It's like they thought they'd be fine because McDonough is gone. There has yet to be even a sympathetic person from their side outside of their victim.

I don't remember where I heard it, I think on a podcast, but if they were willing to sweep this kind of mess under the rug for a video coach, it makes you wonder what other bullshit she brushed away or what they would brush away if it was a star player. Ahem.
When discussing this situation with my non-hockey-fan girlfriend, she asked the same question, and then "how important is a video coach, really" and I don't know if I have an answer to that. I don't think anyone is "too valuable to let go", personally, but this is an interesting rhetorical question.
 

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(know it's November but pertinent to the Blackhawks coverup)

View: https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1455221672659795973?s=20


Bettman says when Chicago first notified the league of the civil litigation, the Blackhawks told the league there was "no merit" to the case.

They only got find $2 million for this.
If the league was very serious about this, they would force the Wirtz Family to sell. They may not have been apprised of the original Aldrich incidents, but they they created the culture where it occured and continue to fight legal liability. Misleading the league should be the nail in the coffin.