Hold the Mayo? Evaluating Patriots coaching.

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Cool cool, man. I live in the NE bubble and ignore sports radio completely. But I can tell you what my buddies who are very much not on SoSH and also have a nice disdain for the Boston sports media think about Maye's coaching ability and it ain't good. We're all just N's of 1 here.
We're just two lost souls N's of 1 swimming in a fish bowl.

My colleagues are Pats fans. None of them listen to sports radio. Some listen to pods. Everyone I personally know offline is worried about Mayo. Not like fire him worry but worry. I am also worried about him. I fucking like the guy a lot though so I am hoping he gets his shit together before the end of the year.
 

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Denver had much more talent than New England. The expectations were unrealistic but Hackett was an abomination of a coach.
Wilson was bad, but the front office and Hackett basically let him do whatever he want. Hackett was hired to call offensive plays and the offense was a fucking disaster.
In Week 1 against the Seahawks on 4th and 5, with one minute left in the game and ALL 3 timeouts, Hackett let the play clock go all the way down then called a timeout to kick a 64 yard field goal.
While he was coaching the team averaged 15.5 points per game and were last in 3rd down conversion rate.

I also want to reiterate that there were and are very strong rumors that Hackett was only hired because he was close to Aaron Rodgers and the Broncos thought they were going to get him.

Hackett was, and is, a terrible coach. He’s on a team basically run by his buddy Aaron and he still got demoted from play calling duties

Hackett and Mayer were national storylines not only because of how bad they were but because the dysfunction around the team (in Denver with Russ, in Jacksonville with basically everything surrounding Urban).

Mayo is more like a normal bad coach. They had no expectations from the national media, the team sucks and is going through normal things for most shitty teams
I actually agree with all of this. Denver did have more talent, but the expectations were still unrealistic and Hackett was a bad coach on top of that. And he was absolutely hired in an attempt to sway Rodgers to sign there. My point was that if there had been no expectations of that Broncos team, he would have been just a normal bad coach and not the dysfunctional clown he was viewed as. To your point Mayo, without these expectations, is a normal bad coach.
 

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There's nobody in my sports orbit outside of SOSH calling for Mayo to be fired now, but everyone I talk Pats with is worried about whether Mayo can coach or not. They just got thumped by a team that was 1-4 and in the conversation with the Pats about being the worst team in football. I think everyone should be worried at this stage.
 

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If they are 1-16 and they look lifeless and not competitive the rest of the season, then it definitely should be on the table. This isn't the 1989 Dallas Cowboys where Jimmy Johnson followed a legend in Landry as he had a track record of actually being a great head coach albeit at the college level along with being an outstanding evaluator of talent. His first draft brought in 4 starters (Aikman, Moose Johnston, Mark Stepnoski and Tony Tolbert).
 

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We're just two lost souls N's of 1 swimming in a fish bowl.

My colleagues are Pats fans. None of them listen to sports radio. Some listen to pods. Everyone I personally know offline is worried about Mayo. Not like fire him worry but worry. I am also worried about him. I fucking like the guy a lot though so I am hoping he gets his shit together before the end of the year.
Yeah, I think firing Mayo right now is wildly reactionary (and likely involves a failure to recognize the process that set him up to fail), but also that people who aren't at least somewhat worried about Mayo aren't paying attention.He's given a wide range of reasons for worry.
 

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Can someone summarize the reasons to be worried? What is there that isn't fixable with experience (media relations) or a better roster / good injury luck (literally everything)?

Like, if he seems bad with Xs and Os he could be just trying to hide weaknesses in the personnel. If he's saying the wrong thing to the press he can get better at that. If the team seems unprepared I'm not sure how you would separate that from having guys who aren't NFL starters at most of the positions or playing next to someone who has 10 snaps of experience. The end of half decisions aren't great but could also be explained by the above.

I think it's way too soon to know anything unless you were literally watching all the practices or something. I'm more concerned Wolf and the scouting department doesn't know what they're doing, but I don't know that either. The answer to all of this is that you wait until near the end of the season anyway.
 

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Can someone summarize the reasons to be worried? What is there that isn't fixable with experience (media relations) or a better roster / good injury luck (literally everything)?

Like, if he seems bad with Xs and Os he could be just trying to hide weaknesses in the personnel. If he's saying the wrong thing to the press he can get better at that. If the team seems unprepared I'm not sure how you would separate that from having guys who aren't NFL starters at most of the positions or playing next to someone who has 10 snaps of experience. The end of half decisions aren't great but could also be explained by the above.

I think it's way too soon to know anything unless you were literally watching all the practices or something. I'm more concerned Wolf and the scouting department doesn't know what they're doing, but I don't know that either. The answer to all of this is that you wait until near the end of the season anyway.
Reasons for concern:
1. Pretty disastrous media handling throughout the year (constantly having to walk things back, on occasion seems like media hears things before players and that causes friction)
2. Discipline seems to be a major issue both on and off field
3. Clock management.
4. Timeout Usage
5. General preparedness.
6. In-game adjustments
7. Week to week Adjustments.
8. Repeating errors

I'd say all of those are varying levels of concerns.... could he get better at some or all of them... maybe, but it's not like it's one area (like say just timeout management) that is the issue.

Let me flip it around.... what has Jerod Mayo done well so far?
 

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We're just two lost souls N's of 1 swimming in a fish bowl.

My colleagues are Pats fans. None of them listen to sports radio. Some listen to pods. Everyone I personally know offline is worried about Mayo. Not like fire him worry but worry. I am also worried about him. I fucking like the guy a lot though so I am hoping he gets his shit together before the end of the year.
I think this is very fair.

I’m worried but I think it would be an overreaction to fire him after one year (and to be clear this entire thing started because his name was invoked next to Urban Meyer and Nathaniel Hackett, which is incredibly unfair).

IMO, if the team wins 2 games or more, he should get at least one more year.

You’ve been beating the same drum that I have throughout the offseason. This is, decidedly, not a good team. The talent level is BAD. There’s a reason why everyone thought they were going to suck. If he finishes with 2 wins less than the Vegas line and Drake Maye looks good then I think he should get another year.

I do think it’s very fair to question his coaching staff hires. Ideally, he would have got two coordinates who were experienced calling plays, especially since he’s not involved in the play calling at all.
 

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It simply amazes me to see the amount of people here who think a guy should get a chance to learn how to be a head coach of a football team in the NFL lol. I like Mayo but he is terrible at this job, i dont want to give him 3 years to figure it out sorry....
 

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One other thing that I didn't really think about before is that BB's coaching tree was always considered pretty rough - McDaniels, Patricia, Crennel, Judge, BOB, Weis, Mangini, etc. were all pretty lousy HCs and Vrabel (former player, not a coach under BB) was probably the best of the bunch and even he was more good than stellar. In a weird way, I am not sure why I thought Mayo would break that cycle.
 

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Reasons for concern:

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Let me flip it around.... what has Jerod Mayo done well so far?
He had the team ready to go for the first game of the year, in a way that surprised many of us. They played pretty sound football, a couple of unnecessary penalties but they controlled the LOS and the clock. He has not been able to duplicate that since, whether due to injuries or failings by the coaching staff.

I may be wrong here (paging Brand Name?) but I think the 2001 Carolina Panthers are the only team to win their first game and then lose all the rest (the last one that year was the rescheduled week 2 game against the Pats). Sadly, I can see that happening again this year.
 

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They just got thumped by a team that was 1-4 and in the conversation with the Pats about being the worst team in football. I think everyone should be worried at this stage.
Thumped--I mean, fine. They scored and were a missed 2-point conversion because a WR fell down of making it a one score game and then got the ball back. Jags scored their last TD because the Pats had to go for it on 4th and 26. The Pats were the 3rd biggest underdog of the week because while the Jags haven't played well, they have a lot of talent, on the offense and in the defensive trenches.

The Pats also flew to London to play a team that got to be there for 2 weeks to acclimate.

Yes, the Pats stink, but the Jags game was a game until Polk slipped.
 

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Thanks for the response. Again, most of those things seem inseparable from the roster problems. And I don't really care if he stays or goes, but some things he's done well:

-He made the correct call on the QB situation IMO, the most important thing for the team's future
-The team was competitive when it was healthy even given a huge talent issue. (I think the Bentley injury was a huge blow).
-The offensive line has not been as bad as it could be

But for most things we don't have enough info. And the roster is SO bad.

I would say the most concerning thing to me is the Peppers incident, that's bad juju to happen during the season on a weekend just before a game. But, Peppers could just be an asshole and it didn't seem to percolate elsewhere.
 

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Thumped--I mean, fine. They scored and were a missed 2-point conversion because a WR fell down of making it a one score game and then got the ball back. Jags scored their last TD because the Pats had to go for it on 4th and 26. The Pats were the 3rd biggest underdog of the week because while the Jags haven't played well, they have a lot of talent, on the offense and in the defensive trenches.

The Pats also flew to London to play a team that got to be there for 2 weeks to acclimate.

Yes, the Pats stink, but the Jags game was a game until Polk slipped.
And, unfortunately, the Pats are one of the teams that don’t have the outside talent to take advantage of the Jags biggest weakness (the secondary)
 

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Can someone summarize the reasons to be worried? What is there that isn't fixable with experience (media relations) or a better roster / good injury luck (literally everything)?

Like, if he seems bad with Xs and Os he could be just trying to hide weaknesses in the personnel. If he's saying the wrong thing to the press he can get better at that. If the team seems unprepared I'm not sure how you would separate that from having guys who aren't NFL starters at most of the positions or playing next to someone who has 10 snaps of experience. The end of half decisions aren't great but could also be explained by the above.

I think it's way too soon to know anything unless you were literally watching all the practices or something. I'm more concerned Wolf and the scouting department doesn't know what they're doing, but I don't know that either. The answer to all of this is that you wait until near the end of the season anyway.
Since Week 3 they have not been competitive in a game, having been outscored 142 - 63, and three of those games were against the Jets (who look bad), the Dolphins who have been awful since Tua went down, and the Jags who were 1-4 coming into the game. As I said I'm of the opinion Mayo should get the rest of the season to show improvement, but that's bad. Yes the roster is terrible but they should be able to be competitive in some games, especially against bad teams.

Edit: point taken that the Jags game was closer than the score, but the team has looked very bad against some not great teams. I think it is reasonable to be concerned about Mayo at this point. Again, I think firing him would be silly, but I'm concerned for sure.
 
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One other thing that I didn't really think about before is that BB's coaching tree was always considered pretty rough - McDaniels, Patricia, Crennel, Judge, BOB, Weis, Mangini, etc. were all pretty lousy HCs and Vrabel (former player, not a coach under BB) was probably the best of the bunch and even he was more good than stellar. In a weird way, I am not sure why I thought Mayo would break that cycle.
I’ve always thought that the reason for this is because Belichick’s personality and style just don’t work unless you’re Belichick. Meaning you have the Super Bowl rings and you have one of the greatest football minds ever.

If you act like that and you don’t have the credibility to back it up and the team is losing…it goes sideways really fast
 

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Thanks for the response. Again, most of those things seem inseparable from the roster problems. And I don't really care if he stays or goes, but some things he's done well:

-He made the correct call on the QB situation IMO, the most important thing for the team's future
-The team was competitive when it was healthy even given a huge talent issue. (I think the Bentley injury was a huge blow).
-The offensive line has not been as bad as it could be

But for most things we don't have enough info. And the roster is SO bad.

I would say the most concerning thing to me is the Peppers incident, that's bad juju to happen during the season on a weekend just before a game. But, Peppers could just be an asshole and it didn't seem to percolate elsewhere.
Yeah, the whole discipline problem thing is weird. I mean, those of us who go back to the 80s have seen Pats locker rooms with discipline problems. Weird take imo. Same with "how he handles the media". Who gives a shit.

I have no idea whether Mayo is maximizing the talent on this team, and I'm erring on the side of "probably not, since he's a first time coach. most don't." But people are doing conclusion-based reasoning in this thread based on win count. What record do people think that we'd have with the love child of Knute Rockne and peak Belichick? I swear that I was told that moving on from Mac Jones would make this a playoff team. The roster sucks.
 

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I'm pretty sure Mayo is in way over his head and I don't have a lot of hope of him figuring things out, but I think he deserves the rest of the season to see if he can get the team to start showing signs of life. Plus, what would be the point of firing him now? The team is bad, the season is lost. I don't see the point of playing the rest of the way with an interim coach. And if they did fire Mayo and made someone the interim coach and that guy won a few games, they sure as shit better not just hand him the reigns without doing a real search this time.
This is exactly where I'm at. I believe that both the season is lost and Mayo is in way over his head AND that they should keep him for the rest of the year because there is no real benefit to change.
 

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How was the expectation they they’d go from 4 to 2 wins?

The expectation was that a new GM and new coach (and new QB) would result in fewer wins? I cant imagine that was the expectation of Kraft, Wolf or Mayo
The team is worse than last year. They downgraded at LT and let their best pass rusher go without upgrading a single position. What positions are better? That’s the other thing, no young players have improved besides Lowe (who is also hurt half the time). With Maye coming in, hopefully we see Pop and Boutte come on with him continuing his play.

But as of today? They’re predictably horrible and exactly what Kraft/Wolf/Mayo should have expected. One of the absolute worst teams in the league, 2/3/4 wins. I’d like to see a couple wins down the stretch with continued improvement from the offense. Then major upgrades for at least a few (minimum 2, preferably 3) offensive positions next year. Done correctly, maybe they can win 7 or 8 games next year and be a playoff team in 2026. At least with upgrades they might be entertaining in 2025.
 

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How was the expectation they they’d go from 4 to 2 wins?

The expectation was that a new GM and new coach (and new QB) would result in fewer wins? I cant imagine that was the expectation of Kraft, Wolf or Mayo
Sorry, I don’t think I said they “expected” to finish with 2 wins? I say they now look poised to finish with 2-4 wins currently. I think we’re saying the same thing: this year is a clear failure by any measure.
 

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It simply amazes me to see the amount of people here who think a guy should get a chance to learn how to be a head coach of a football team in the NFL lol. I like Mayo but he is terrible at this job, i dont want to give him 3 years to figure it out sorry....
I thought this was a parody at first, but I think you’re serious.

You can keep saying this but what would you have said after Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 in 1989 with the Cowboys? Sure sure, it’s easy to say now “Oh, well he had success as a college head coach,” but the NFL is littered with examples of failed coaches who were good in college.

This just feels like you’re jumping to conclusions — and you might be right! I just don’t think we can know for sure yet.
 
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The team is worse than last year. They downgraded at LT and let their best pass rusher go without upgrading a single position. What positions are better? That’s the other thing, no young players have improved besides Lowe (who is also hurt half the time). With Maye coming in, hopefully we see Pop and Boutte come on with him continuing his play.

But as of today? They’re predictably horrible and exactly what Kraft/Wolf/Mayo should have expected. One of the absolute worst teams in the league, 2/3/4 wins. I’d like to see a couple wins down the stretch with continued improvement from the offense. Then major upgrades for at least a few (minimum 2, preferably 3) offensive positions next year. Done correctly, maybe they can win 7 or 8 games next year and be a playoff team in 2026. At least with upgrades they might be entertaining in 2025.
As of today, sure, that’s how things stand

I cant imagine Kraft thought Wolf would fail to improve the roster and Mayo would an abject failure (admittedly very early on). He clearly thought those guys would get the team moving in the right direction quickly instead of taking it backwards
 

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This thread is gonna be so awesome once we're all discussing the Mayo/Maye Legacy after their 6th SB. I hope it doesn't get purged by then.
 

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I thought this was a parody at first, but I think you’re serious.

You can keep saying this but what would you have said after Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 in 1989 with the Cowboys? Sure sure, it’s easy to say now “Oh, well he had success as a college head coach,” but the NFL is littered with examples of failed coaches who were good in college.

This just feels like you’re jumping to conclusions — and you might be right! I just don’t think we can know for sure yet.
Jimmy Johnson had a track record as a head coach winning a national championship at Miami. Mayo has nothing. He is struggling to even command a room.
 
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Yeah, the whole discipline problem thing is weird. I mean, those of us who go back to the 80s have seen Pats locker rooms with discipline problems. Weird take imo. Same with "how he handles the media". Who gives a shit.

I have no idea whether Mayo is maximizing the talent on this team, and I'm erring on the side of "probably not, since he's a first time coach. most don't." But people are doing conclusion-based reasoning in this thread based on win count. What record do people think that we'd have with the love child of Knute Rockne and peak Belichick? I swear that I was told that moving on from Mac Jones would make this a playoff team. The roster sucks.
I think people would be ok with a losing record, if the team looked like it was playing hard, smart, disciplined football but was just outmatched talent-wise

The team looks sloppy, poor fundamentals, gets pushed around, takes dumb penalties, questionable playcalling, questionable in game strategy (clock management etc). There’s no reason the D should be this bad, other than bad coaching.
 

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The team is worse than last year. They downgraded at LT and let their best pass rusher go without upgrading a single position. What positions are better?.
The most important one.
 

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I think people would be ok with a losing record, if the team looked like it was playing hard, smart, disciplined football but was just outmatched talent-wise

The team looks sloppy, poor fundamentals, gets pushed around, takes dumb penalties, questionable playcalling, questionable in game strategy (clock management etc). There’s no reason the D should be this bad, other than bad coaching.
The penalties thing is weird.

Week 1-4: 4.0 penalties/game
Week 5-7: 9.3 penalties/game

The defensive penalties haven't changed too much--it's the offense. From 1.8 offensive penalties/game to 5.3. Is that due to going deeper into the well for OL? A rookie QB?

That said, the place where we have the most penalties versus an average team is pass interference, back on the defensive side.
 

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The penalties thing is weird.

Week 1-4: 4.0 penalties/game
Week 5-7: 9.3 penalties/game

The defensive penalties haven't changed much--it's the offense. From 1.8 offensive penalties/game to 5.3. Is that due to going deeper into the well for OL? A rookie QB?
I think more the former than the latter. We started a street FA on the line like 3 days after signing him. There are pro bowls with more cohesion there.
 

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Jimmy Johnson had a track record as a head coach winning a national championship at Miami. Mayo has nothing. He is struggling to even command a room.
Lol and this guy is claiming my post is a parody, except i know this guy is actually serious with that comment. One guy was one of the at the time most desired college coaches in the nation, coming off a national championship vs. a guy that had 2 years as a inside linebacker coach and CO "cough" coordinated the defense with Bills kid for a few seasons.

I can't even comprehend how this guy thought it would be a good idea comparing Mayo to Johnson. The 1 win season means nothing when i stated, and factually i might add, that Mayo shouldn't be allowed to learn how to become a head football coach while in the NFL. Jimmie had over 2+ decades of working his way up the ladder, apples to freaking pumpkins here!
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One other thing that I didn't really think about before is that BB's coaching tree was always considered pretty rough - McDaniels, Patricia, Crennel, Judge, BOB, Weis, Mangini, etc. were all pretty lousy HCs and Vrabel (former player, not a coach under BB) was probably the best of the bunch and even he was more good than stellar. In a weird way, I am not sure why I thought Mayo would break that cycle.
I'm not nominating him for Canton, but O'Brien had a good stint as head coach in the NFL.
 

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I'm not nominating him for Canton, but O'Brien had a good stint as head coach in the NFL.
52-48 over 6+ seasons... sure. Take him off the list but the larger point remains that Bill's proteges have not largely gone on to greatness as HCs in the NFL.
 

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One other thing that I didn't really think about before is that BB's coaching tree was always considered pretty rough - McDaniels, Patricia, Crennel, Judge, BOB, Weis, Mangini, etc. were all pretty lousy HCs and Vrabel (former player, not a coach under BB) was probably the best of the bunch and even he was more good than stellar. In a weird way, I am not sure why I thought Mayo would break that cycle.
I have three thoughts about this, one of which I have been posing for a while now.
1. The skill set required to be a successful co-ordinator is not the same skill set necessary to be a successful head coach. Its a bit of the Peter Principle at work and also a flaw of the hiring systems and its basic beliefs. Nowhere is this more evident than in the field I worked in for years...education...where highly skilled classroom teachers are promoted to their level of incompetence and become really lousy administrators. There is no real career path for teachers or co-ordinators in terms of their specific skills. It is not surprising that the failure rate for promoted co-ordinators is very high.
2. The Pats seem to have spawned a veritable generation of the aforementioned and it seems to me that BB did an amazing job of wringing out the best of the skill sets of these co-ordinators for the benefit of the Patriots. That they were unable to develop the necessary skills to be successful head coaches is mostly on them as it was not BB's job to run a finishing school for future HCs
3. Lack of talent or not, good coaching shows up in a number of ways that are not always reflected in the W-L record. Inferior talent can still be well prepared. It can still be very disciplined and alert. It can be very unselfish. Make your own judgment as to whether these attributes apply to a roster that lacks overall as well as elite talent
 

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52-48 over 6+ seasons... sure. Take him off the list but the larger point remains that Bill's proteges have not largely gone on to greatness as HCs in the NFL.
This is barely believable and someone should (and will) check me, but the all time record, combined, of all pro football teams appears to be 24,196 wins, 23,803 losses, 725 ties. That’s a winning percentage of .496.

Therefore, the vast majority of coaches have not gone on to greatness.

Pulled this data from pro football reference.
 

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I have three thoughts about this, one of which I have been posing for a while now.
1. The skill set required to be a successful co-ordinator is not the same skill set necessary to be a successful head coach. Its a bit of the Peter Principle at work and also a flaw of the hiring systems and its basic beliefs. Nowhere is this more evident than in the field I worked in for years...education...where highly skilled classroom teachers are promoted to their level of incompetence and become really lousy administrators. There is no real career path for teachers or co-ordinators in terms of their specific skills. It is not surprising that the failure rate for promoted co-ordinators is very high.
2. The Pats seem to have spawned a veritable generation of the aforementioned and it seems to me that BB did an amazing job of wringing out the best of the skill sets of these co-ordinators for the benefit of the Patriots. That they were unable to develop the necessary skills to be successful head coaches is mostly on them as it was not BB's job to run a finishing school for future HCs
3. Lack of talent or not, good coaching shows up in a number of ways that are not always reflected in the W-L record. Inferior talent can still be well prepared. It can still be very disciplined and alert. It can be very unselfish. Make your own judgment as to whether these attributes apply to a roster that lacks overall as well as elite talent
1. I completely agree with you here. There are some people who cap out as "successful" coordinator that never can take it to the next level in any meaningful way. The Peter Principle absolutely applies here.
2. I sort of agree with you here. BB absolutely worked by getting the most out of even the smallest parts of his football operation. That said... I think the BB tree is particularly light, especially for the greatest coach ever. No, it was not and never was BB's job to train HCs to go elsewhere. If BB's whole thing was getting co-ordinators, maxing them out, them failing to develop any HC skills under him... then, again, why should Mayo have been an exception? Speaking only for myself, I thought that BB saw the writing on the wall eventually (not this season) and was training Mayo in ways he never was McDaniels or Crennel for example. But at the end of the day, it's kind of the same story and looking back, I am not sure why I thought that Mayo would be any different.
3. I assume this is a point against Mayo which is fair. I guess I think that he is pretty crappy now, but I personally have a bit of slack left before writing him off entirely, even if I question that myself.
 

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Was listening to Evan and Tiki on WFAN this afternoon. Evan has a conspiracy theory (his words) that Mayo will be fired at end of season and Kraft will bring back Belichick.
His reasoning:
  • BB loves Maye
  • BB trashing Mayo
  • Tons of cap space
  • Getting the gang back together
I think he's off his rocker. But how would people feel about this?

If BB could bring back Steve and Josh, I think I'd think it might be worth doing. If he could bring back Scar then I'm in 100%.
 

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I feel like the chance of BB coming back is less than zero. I just can't imagine that for any of the parties involved.

1) Involves BB swallowing his pride, and he is a very prideful man

2) involves RK swallowing his pride, and he is a very prideful man

3) BB is not stupid. There is a very, very high likelihood that next year's team is a 5-6 win ceiling team. Why in the world would he choose that, amongst other options?
 

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Was listening to Evan and Tiki on WFAN this afternoon. Evan has a conspiracy theory (his words) that Mayo will be fired at end of season and Kraft will bring back Belichick.
His reasoning:
  • BB loves Maye
  • BB trashing Mayo
  • Tons of cap space
  • Getting the gang back together
I think he's off his rocker. But how would people feel about this?

If BB could bring back Steve and Josh, I think I'd think it might be worth doing. If he could bring back Scar then I'm in 100%.
Yeah definitely a half-assed conspiracy theory. IDK why BB or Kraft would think there'd be a significant change from how 2023 ended.
 

worm0082

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If Kraft makes a heartfelt apology to Bill and agrees to stay out of the way, I could see Bill at least considering returning. It would be his triumphant return, although next year i doubt will amount to much, i think he’d jump at the chance to mold Maye.
 

j-man

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Dec 19, 2012
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What type of blowback would there be? 99% of the public opinion now is that the team is a tire fire and the Mayo hiring was a disaster from the start due to a lack of a real hiring process. If anything moving on would show Kraft knows when to admit a mistake. Being stubborn and riding it out for as long as possible would probably be worse for the public opinion of Kraft. Recently, Denver fired Hackett and Jacksonville fired Urban Meyer in their first year as coaches and I don't think there was a ton of blowback on either franchise.

I mean, they aren't going to do it in week 8 but if they continue to lose by multiple scores each week and this ends up 1-16/2-15 I think it's certainly possible. I think it's a far worse look to bring the same staff back after that type of year than it is to cut bait on you chosen heir after a year.
from denver point on view the team quit on hackett in the rams game the sad thing is jerry rosburg the remacement was a great coach had denver hired him from the start they wouild been 9-8 10-7
 

j-man

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Dec 19, 2012
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Was listening to Evan and Tiki on WFAN this afternoon. Evan has a conspiracy theory (his words) that Mayo will be fired at end of season and Kraft will bring back Belichick.
His reasoning:
  • BB loves Maye
  • BB trashing Mayo
  • Tons of cap space
  • Getting the gang back together
I think he's off his rocker. But how would people feel about this?

If BB could bring back Steve and Josh, I think I'd think it might be worth doing. If he could bring back Scar then I'm in 100%.
BB QB was nix not maye lombaridi is bill hit man the weird part is NE has the QB maye is justin herbert 2.0 with a Off overhaul and 1 or 2 edge rushers NE couild win 9 games in 25
 

Marciano490

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If Kraft makes a heartfelt apology to Bill and agrees to stay out of the way, I could see Bill at least considering returning. It would be his triumphant return, although next year i doubt will amount to much, i think he’d jump at the chance to mold Maye.
Apparently 50 Shades started as Twilight fanfic so I’d never wanna shade someone’s creative efforts, but this is a very juicy story. I most liked the part where Kraft apologizes.
 

Justthetippett

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Apparently 50 Shades started as Twilight fanfic so I’d never wanna shade someone’s creative efforts, but this is a very juicy story. I most liked the part where Kraft apologizes.
Kraft as the submissive. Yes, this tracks.

It's Vrabel. It's always been Vrabel. And he'll keep most of the staff. And it probably won't work. But we'll get more, "I've known since 2004, when I saw him sitting contemplatively in his locker, that he was the one..." digressions from Bob.