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Anyone building a Jetson's home?  This space is exploding and I'm curious if anyone is jumping on board.
 
I am playing around with the following
 
Staples Connect Hub
Aeotec Power Strip
Aeotec Water Sensor
A couple door / window sensors
A D-Link IP camera
 
Having a piece or two (like the Nest) is ok, but I think the real magic happens when you have enough connected devices that they can control each other.  For instance, you open the garage door and that kicks on the lights, adjusts the thermostat, turns on the music, etc.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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I just bought a new home and I'm on the verge of trying this but don't feel it's worth diving into until Apple officially gets HomeKit out there and we can see what the camps are going to look like.  I don't think Apple will be the most mature offering here, but there's enough market power there that I'd fear that companies will need to abandon other ships to get on board and I'd hate to buy a product that won't be futureproof in something as futuristic as this market.
 

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IMO too early to jump in on anything other than individual items. We have Dropcam, our alarm system is smartphone-enabled through alarm.com, and all our lights are on timers, motion sensors or light sensors (which I love for the front porch).
 
Google buying Nest + Dropcam will lead to cool stuff. Apple opening its platform to developers will lead to cool stuff. I think it's a little early to sink much money into a unilateral system.
 

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My very basic setup thus far: I have WeMO light switches in the house that I use to control lights in a few rooms (the kids never shut their lights or TV off in their bedrooms for example).  I can see if the lights are on/off from anywhere, and if we're on vacation I can turn them on so it appears that someone is home. I also have a Honeywell Vision Pro series thermostat that I can control with my phone.  Didn't go the nest route because I have the Honeywell's in my business (9 of them) and they work great, notifying you on your phone if a temperature is too high (or low), etc. 
 

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I was thinking about buying some Phillips Hue lights, a Nest and a Dropcam but I bought a 4K TV instead.
 

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I got a couple of Aros air conditioners. Love them. Work great and you can budget w/ them. 
 

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I've got some zwave stuff running my lights and a few cameras using an Aeon zstick.  It requires a PC and a bit of know-how (rewiring electric in your house) but once it's set up it's awesome.  I have all of my lights programmed for multiple stages and I can view and control them from anywhere I have internet. I have my grow light hooked up to a timer so I can start plants indoors in the spring and keep herbs growing all winter.  Once it's set up it's easy to add new components and triggers and scenes are pretty easy to set up.  
 
With all of that said, I wish it was half the cost, standalone, easy to set up and a single open standard.  Nest only works with nest software.  Zwave is only compatible with zwave.  It's $40 for a lightswitch.  
 
This is a place where cable companies are making inroads.  I don't have it yet but I may have my whole home automation setup by Comcast at this time next year.
 

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jercra said:
 
With all of that said, I wish it was half the cost, standalone, easy to set up and a single open standard.  Nest only works with nest software.  Zwave is only compatible with zwave.  It's $40 for a lightswitch.  
 
IP is an open standard, get a WiFi thermostat instead of a Nest.  It's cheaper and can be controlled from anywhere (desktop, smartphone apps, etc).  Also eliminates the need for a separate hub; your normal internet hub handles networking.  Ideally we'll see more devices communicating over IP in the next few years, rather than yet another dopey new standard.  In the interim, you can hang a zwave and an X-10 controller off of your computer, so as long as you use a real computer instead of a dumb single-protocol proprietary hub you can still control everything from one place (and you can then make it respond easily from your phone or whatever).
 
I have my machines at home and at work set up to know when my cell phone is or isn't connected to my wireless router.  If I leave home for more than 10 minutes, the thermostat goes into power saving settings (warmer in the summer, cooler in the winter).  Conversely, the work machine tells it to go ahead and come back to comfortable temps when I leave there (I think I coded it for 15 minutes disconnected after 5:30pm, something like that), otherwise I can hit a button on my phone to let it know I'm on the way home or it'll spin up when I get home if I forgot to warn it.
 
 
The only other thing I've found semi-useful to automate is having the lights connected to the alarm clock; 15 minutes before wakeup my speakers start playing soft bird songs.  At 5 minutes to go it slowly starts dimming the lights up.  Then whatever wakeup song I picked comes on softly at first, the volume ratchets up over the next minute or so.  It's less jarring than a sudden blaring alarm clock.
 
I have a Harmony remote with all the components programmed properly in the living room, but I haven't really found any use to hooking that up to the rest of the house.  I don't find that I consistently want the lights in the same configuration when I'm watching things.
 

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FYI, the Nest is a WiFi device. I have basically the same setup as you do (zwave on a PC).  It was still a pain in the ass and if it weren't for me working in tech every day it would have sucked even worse to set up.  The issue with the Nest is that it's only usable with the Nest app and the Nest website and not any of my HA stuff.  I bought the Nest before any of my other HA or I would have just got a zwave or wifi compatible thermostat.
 

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That Quirky thing seems to solve all these issues and is essentially free if you buy two of the devices that it works with.
 

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SumnerH said:
 
I have a Harmony remote with all the components programmed properly in the living room, but I haven't really found any use to hooking that up to the rest of the house.  I don't find that I consistently want the lights in the same configuration when I'm watching things.
Theoretically, couldn't you use the Activities to create light/medium/dark Watch TV functions that do all the same things with the AV components, then just pick the one that fits the current viewing mood?
 

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CoRP said:
That Quirky thing seems to solve all these issues and is essentially free if you buy two of the devices that it works with.
The Staples hub is the same.  A bunch of radios for the popular communication protocols (Zwave, Wifi, etc.) and one app to unit them all.  You buy components from the brands/manufacturers you want and the hub finds them and integrates them into your system.
 

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JimBoSox9 said:
Theoretically, couldn't you use the Activities to create light/medium/dark Watch TV functions that do all the same things with the AV components, then just pick the one that fits the current viewing mood?
 
That'd probably get close enough, or at least having one "all lights out" option might be worth it.  There are a couple of main lights and a couple localized ones that all get brightness set based on who's there and mood/conditions (eating? reading?  is it light outside? etc).  
 
It's more that psychologically I don't view the lights and the screen as linked/synchronized (I'll flip on the lights when I get home, then turn on the TV and eat at some point, then flip the lights off but leave the TV on when I finish eating, etc).   It's not like the AV components that I want changing at the same time (cable on, switch to that input on TV and surround receiver and make sure they're on; media player on, switch them over to that; etc).
 

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Hue is fantastic. I got my boss to buy me a shitload of them for creative coding. Beyond the standard Hue app you can do some wild shit. Ex. setup some iBeacons and have your lights turn on as you unlock your door. Got a long walk to the bathroom at night? Setup some motion sensors and have the lights turn on as you walk to it, but with a soft blue color instead of harsh white incandescents. Set a timer in your bedroom to slowly turn them on when you wake up like a sun lamp. That's just basic. Or go nuts and build a rave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVh4V5QyVQY
 

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weeba said:
 
Do you use this? Do you have any examples of recipes?
 
Yeah, if you email my home automation gmail address -
 
"lights on" in subject line turns all of the controlled lights on
 
Honestly I don't use it as much for the past year or two since someone is literally home 24 hours a day at our house it seems.  (2 kids, nanny, inlaws close by)
 

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AlNipper49 said:
 
Yeah, if you email my home automation gmail address -
 
"lights on" in subject line turns all of the controlled lights on
 
Honestly I don't use it as much for the past year or two since someone is literally home 24 hours a day at our house it seems.  (2 kids, nanny, inlaws close by)
Another one. We have a Simplisafe security system. In addition to calling the cops when it is spring it emails an account which then turns on all the lights.
 

jayhoz

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I don't have the Ultimate version, but the lower end models I have are perfect for controlling everything in my home entertainment system.
 

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Seconded.  Mine is a few years older but if you can afford it Harmonies are in a class by themselves.  They give a damn about their software syncing too, so I'd bet on their usefulness and lifecycle to stay strong as the online home market goes through this boom.
 

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I pulled mine out after about a year and it does nothing. Won't sync, update, nothing. It was great when it worked though.
 

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I just installed a couple of Hue lights.  I'm going to buy a dozen more. They are awesome.
 

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Yikes, that's a very expensive means to just get colored LED bulbs.  You could outfit most of your house with very cheap, color changing LEDs and a full home automation system for the price of the Hue bulbs.
 

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Ok. So instead of spending another $600, I can spend $400? $300? Who sells the cheap ones and what apps run them?
 

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Wow, I spoke too soon.  Aeontec was supposed to have their Z-Wave RGB LED out back in March but it's not out yet.  I can't find another HA standard that lets you control both color and power level.  When that does comes out it will be a solution but yeah, for now, Hue is all there is.  That's sad because you'll never be able to tie it onto components of your house.
 

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Anybody have any thoughts on the Nest?
 
I have a family member that works at Google, and NStar and National Grid offer $100 rebates for up to 2 devices, so I'd be able to get two for $100/each.
 

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jercra said:
Wow, I spoke too soon.  Aeontec was supposed to have their Z-Wave RGB LED out back in March but it's not out yet.  I can't find another HA standard that lets you control both color and power level.  When that does comes out it will be a solution but yeah, for now, Hue is all there is.  That's sad because you'll never be able to tie it onto components of your house.
 
The Hue uses a well-documented open REST protocol.  It's easy to control from wherever the rest of your components are controlled (MisterHouse definitely supports Hue out of the box, along with X10/Insteon and whatever else; I'm pretty sure MajorDoMo and pytomation do as well).
 

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I recently had to pull all of the X10 modules my house came with.  Switching to LED and Fluorescent bulbs made all of the X10 modules stop functioning. 
 
Do the light switch modules out there generally work well now?  No interference issues, etc?
 

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jayhoz said:
If you aren't interested in changing colors, you can try the GE bulbs.
 
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Featured-Products-GE-Link/N-5yc1vZc9o5
 
There's also an open JSON/OAuth protocol for these, so you should see support integrated into the major home automation packages fairly quickly.
 
Philips has announced a white-only Hue Lux bulb but I haven't found pricing info for it yet.
 

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Dernells Casket n Flagon said:
Anybody have any thoughts on the Nest?
 
I have a family member that works at Google, and NStar and National Grid offer $100 rebates for up to 2 devices, so I'd be able to get two for $100/each.
 
Nobody hear has any experience worth sharing with Nest?
 

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I think the problem people have with NEST in this context is that it is standalone.
 
I put in a NEST, I like it.  Depending on your existing thermostat and your heating system you may find that you are short a wire in order to use the NEST.  This requires running new wire from the thermostat to the HVAC system.  It's not hard but it is something else to do.  
 
I like remote access and think that kind of thing is more valuable than the learning for a user like me (gone all day).  
 
People think it looks cool.  
 
In the context of this thread, the downside is that it is its own system right now and you have to work to get it to do things with the rest of the home automation.  I assume google will be making a more comprehensive quite of products, but who knows.  I think the connectivity of this to other systems is mentioned earlier.