How many of these pitchers with one career Red Sox save do you remember

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Andrew Cashner was a big O's prospect who never worked out, if memory serves.
Drafted by CHC #19 overall. Was in the Rizzo trade. (I had to look this up.)

If I memory serves, "big" is probably the best word as I remember him as a big guy with a big beard who was supposed to be a power pitcher but couldn't strike people out.

And I can't believe it was only 3 years ago he pitched for BOS; seems like a lot longer than that.
 

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I remember like 12. Forgot all about some of them till that list thought, I was probably never gonna think about Fernando abad or Carson Smith again
 

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Josh A Smith notably had to use the middle initial to distinguish himself from Josh D Smith when they were teammates in Pawtucket.
I had to look up their stats to see if I was actually just remembering the other Josh Smith, but it looks like Josh D never pitched in the Majors for the Sox. Neither face looked familiar though.
 

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Drafted by CHC #19 overall. Was in the Rizzo trade. (I had to look this up.)

If I memory serves, "big" is probably the best word as I remember him as a big guy with a big beard who was supposed to be a power pitcher but couldn't strike people out.

And I can't believe it was only 3 years ago he pitched for BOS; seems like a lot longer than that.
Thanks for this. I should've done the research on my own but was entertaining myself by trying to remember things off the top of my head and then went for a run rather than double-checking my work.

Looking at the list again, the one guy who I drew a complete blank on was Ben Taylor. And he pitched 17 innings in 2017, so it seems like someone I should remember. He only pitched in April, May and then 3x in July, so I feel a little better about forgetting him.
 

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Willie Banks was best known (I think) for pitching for MIN. He won 11 games as a 24 year old (lost 12 though) in 1993. He then went 8-12 for CHC in the year after that and then didn't really do much after that and called it quits after 50 IPs for the Sox over 2 years.
I think I mostly remember Willie Banks for the very reason we're talking about him now - his one save with the Red Sox happened to be one of the cheapest saves in MLB history. He pitched the last three innings of a 22-4 win over the Devil Rays; it was in that game in 2002 when Nomar hit three home runs on his birthday. Banks held the title of "cheapest save in the 21st century" until 2007, when Wes Littleton took it from him by pitching the last three innings in a 30-3 Rangers/Orioles blowout.
 

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And he looked that bad too. I was really pulling for him to work out but literally everything he was throwing would hang right over the plate, middle middle. After awhile I was like, just trade this guy. For peanuts, whatever. He sucks.

Been a yearly tradition for me to look at his stats year after year and see what he did after he was traded. Never would have thought he could pull it together

Edit: re melancon
 

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Melancon was weird. 2.78 era with Houston the year before Boston acquired him. Then he was HORRIFIC for Boston. In 41 games he had a 6.20 era. They trade him, and the next 4 seasons he does this:

1.39 era, 0.96 whip, 8.9 k/9, 16 sv
1.90 era, 0.87 whip, 9.0 k/9, 33 sv
2.23 era, 0.92 whip, 7.3 k/9, 51 sv
1.64 era, 0.90 whip, 8.2 k/9, 47 sv

In the 9 years since his 6.20 era with Boston, he's put up a 2.36 era, 1.07 whip, 8.2 k/9, and has 196 saves. This year, at age 36, he has a 0.54 era in 16.2 innings, 0.72 whip, and has saved 12 games so far with San Diego.

It's unbelievable that the ONE season he had with Boston was this absolutely horrendous statistical outlier, and then they moved on.
The Giants signed him to a huge deal and he is not remembered fondly by Giants fans. I was shocked that, based on his numbers alone, he was above-average for them except in 2017. You really never get a second chance to make a first impression.

Can someone explain where this nickname came from?
Edward James Olmos played Lt. Castillo on Miami Vice. His character's name was not Frank, but details, details...
 
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Thanks for this. I should've done the research on my own but was entertaining myself by trying to remember things off the top of my head and then went for a run rather than double-checking my work.

Looking at the list again, the one guy who I drew a complete blank on was Ben Taylor. And he pitched 17 innings in 2017, so it seems like someone I should remember. He only pitched in April, May and then 3x in July, so I feel a little better about forgetting him.
No worries. I was trying to remember who drafted Cashner and couldn't so I looked it up, saw that he was traded for Rizzo, and figured I'd post it.

Although I will say that I remember some of these pitchers better than I remember what I had for lunch yesterday. Maybe that says something about how much time on spend on SOSH.
 

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Only barely, he was sent off to Colorado in the immortal Mike Lansing-Rolando Arrojo deal at the deadline in 2000. We had him three years before that and besides his one save in 2000, he had two more in 1999. So him being on this list is technically correct (the best kind of correct) but maybe feels a little like a cheat.
I remember distinctly that one of Wasdin's saves (and perhaps all) was one of those clean 3 innings in a game the Sox won by at least 10 runs.
 

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I counted 25 of 28 that I remembered. Ben Taylor, Josh Smith and Robert Person -- I have no recollection of them. It helps that I played a literal fuckton of Baseball Mogul from 2003-2013 or so, so I learned way too many mediocre relievers names.
Those are the three I have no memory whatsoever of. Schiell, Badenhop I could at least get on the "Red Sox or Capitol Hill rioter"
 

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Robert Person was a rosterable pitcher in my early days of playing fantasy baseball, when he was on the Phillies. I had no idea he played in Boston, and when I saw his name I figured he played here on the tail end of the 2001 season or some other time when I wasn’t closely following the Sox. Can’t believe he pitched meaningful games in 2003.

Badenhop literally had “bad” in his name, so I never felt I could complain that he sucked. Truth in advertising. For some reason, I never made the same joke about Abad.

I always thought “Pichardo” sounded like what a redneck would think the word for “pitcher” was in Spanish. And I’m on team @Super Nomario — Pichardo was much better than John Wasdin, who I’m amazed to see spent parts of 12 seasons in The Show, most of them with the Sox. Duquette didn’t work the bargain bin nearly as well as his successors did.

Thank you for this thread, by the way.
Wait it's Fernando Abad--I was thinking Andy Abad "Baseball player"
 

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Wasn't Person the guy who gave Larry Bird fits?
Chuck Person?

Atchison was hilarious because every time he came in, people would start talking about how he was the manager at the 7/11 or Denny’s. Not to be confused with Ryan Hanigan, who spent his off-seasons refinishing our decks.

I’ve always wondered whether Melancon just couldn’t pitch in Boston or handle the pressure. That would explain both the terrible numbers as well as Ben’s quick decision to move him.
 

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I still can't believe that Alfredo Aceves had 25 saves for the sox in 2012
 

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Those are the three I have no memory whatsoever of. Schiell, Badenhop I could at least get on the "Red Sox or Capitol Hill rioter"
Burke Badenhop is the answer to the trivia question, "Of the six players that the Marlins acquired when they sent Miguel Cabrera to the Tigers, which one spent the most time on the Marlins' roster?" In a related story, that was an awful trade for the Marlins.
 

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I’ve always wondered whether Melancon just couldn’t pitch in Boston or handle the pressure. That would explain both the terrible numbers as well as Ben’s quick decision to move him.
I don't think he was as bad as he is remembered to be (or his season numbers suggest). He was trash out of the gate and got sent down, but after he came back he was good. But by then, I guess, the die was cast.

37 G, 43.1 IP, 4.19 ERA, .597 OPS against after he was recalled. Obviously that's not elite closer stuff or anything, but to that point, he had one season of closing for a really really shitty Astros team. There's a case to be made that he just wasn't ready to be a closer yet. Maybe that's not being able to handle Boston or the pressure. Maybe it's just impatience from Cherington.
 

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While amassing a 5.36 ERA and a -1.2 WAR... in case you needed a nice example that saves are not necessarily correlated with performance.
Still, Ace was a saving grace in the atrocity known as 2011. One of the few guys who gutted outing after outing and pitched extremely well down the horrid stretch of September.

I remember that a reporter asked him about his heavy usage during that final month and if it was effecting him. He replied to some notion of "If I wake up in the morning, I'm good".

His entire career leading up to 2012, he pitched way over his head. His FIP and other peripherals definitely bear that out. But he was someone who I definitely appreciated, if only for being about the only pen piece Tito could trust during the freefall.

He also was batshit too. Maybe not Julian level, but he was a special kind of temperament.
 

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Jason Shiell was that young-ish guy for me that you get unusually confident will deliver on their potential. I was willing to place a bet prior to the 2003 season that he was the "closer by committee" guy who would be standing as the team's regular closer at the end. A Ryan Gomes all-star?
 

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What we need is a test where you have to pick the names of obscure Sox players from a list where the other half are lesser known sitcom characters from the 80's.

I used to play a game with a co-worker years ago where we would try to name the most obscure Celtics player. He'd just sneak up beside me at random and say "Zan Tabak."
 

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Still, Ace was a saving grace in the atrocity known as 2011. One of the few guys who gutted outing after outing and pitched extremely well down the horrid stretch of September.

I remember that a reporter asked him about his heavy usage during that final month and if it was effecting him. He replied to some notion of "If I wake up in the morning, I'm good".

His entire career leading up to 2012, he pitched way over his head. His FIP and other peripherals definitely bear that out. But he was someone who I definitely appreciated, if only for being about the only pen piece Tito could trust during the freefall.

He also was batshit too. Maybe not Julian level, but he was a special kind of temperament.
2011 Alfredo Aceves was the man. Shame he fell off a Kellerman afterwards. I’m pretty sure it was the WBC in 2013 where there was a brawl between Canada and Mexico with Ace in the middle of it. I think Larry Walker said something along the lines of “He had satan in his eyes.”
 

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I can't believe we had 25 wins in 2012.
Yeah, me neither. Still suffering from a little PBobbyVSD.

Aceves did save more than a third of our wins that year. It got me wondering if that was a lot. I came up with Tom Gordon in 1998, who saved exactly half our wins (48/92). I don't know if anyone's had a higher percentage.
 

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Melancon was weird. 2.78 era with Houston the year before Boston acquired him. Then he was HORRIFIC for Boston. In 41 games he had a 6.20 era. They trade him, and the next 4 seasons he does this:

1.39 era, 0.96 whip, 8.9 k/9, 16 sv
1.90 era, 0.87 whip, 9.0 k/9, 33 sv
2.23 era, 0.92 whip, 7.3 k/9, 51 sv
1.64 era, 0.90 whip, 8.2 k/9, 47 sv

In the 9 years since his 6.20 era with Boston, he's put up a 2.36 era, 1.07 whip, 8.2 k/9, and has 196 saves. This year, at age 36, he has a 0.54 era in 16.2 innings, 0.72 whip, and has saved 12 games so far with San Diego.

It's unbelievable that the ONE season he had with Boston was this absolutely horrendous statistical outlier, and then they moved on.
Without looking this up, that has to be a 2012 Bobby Valentine Special.
 

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Without looking this up, that has to be a 2012 Bobby Valentine Special.
Well you're right - that did happen in 2012. But why should Bobby Valentine turn what was (and apparently still is) an elite reliever into such trash? How does that happen?
 

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Yeah, me neither. Still suffering from a little PBobbyVSD.

Aceves did save more than a third of our wins that year. It got me wondering if that was a lot. I came up with Tom Gordon in 1998, who saved exactly half our wins (48/92). I don't know if anyone's had a higher percentage.
K-Rod saved 62 for the Angels in 2008 and I don't believe they won 124 games that year, so his percentage must be higher.
 

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K-Rod saved 62 for the Angels in 2008 and I don't believe they won 124 games that year, so his percentage must be higher.
Yeah, that is an amazing figure. For the Sox specifically, I haven't found any Red Sock beating Gordon's percentage, though Derek Lowe in 2000 came very close — 42 saves on an 85-win team.
 

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Shiell, Person, Gomes and J.A. Smith are the only ones that draw blanks for me.

My Dad (RIP) LOVED Pichardo. He had super low expectations for him, and seemed to rejoice any time Hipolito recorded an out. I liked seeing my Dad chuckle every time he pitched.

The one and only season I played fantasy baseball, I managed to score some serviceable use out of Vicente Padilla. I always felt a little gross about it because he was a pretty sketchy dude with a checkered past (DV allegations).
 

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I never would have guessed that Scott Williamson would get 1 Red Sox Save. Let alone that it would be the last of his Career. (Despite 75 More career Games). Well Regular Season...
 

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Javier Lopez and Javy Lopez were on the same team in 2006; that might have been one of the more interesting things about that season. I can't remember if Javier pitched to Javy.
Nope. Javy caught all his games for the Sox from August 4 to September 2 (while Varitek was sidelined by arthroscopic knee surgery). During that period, Javier only pitched in one game (August 20), caught by Mirabelli.
 

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I never would have guessed that Scott Williamson would get 1 Red Sox Save. Let alone that it would be the last of his Career. (Despite 75 More career Games). Well Regular Season...
Even crazier to me is that his one save happened in 2004, not 2003. I would have thought that with all of the bullpen chaos in 2003, he would have managed to snag at least one save, but BRef says he did not; apparently he was just setting up for BH Kim until the postseason.
 

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Willie Banks was best known (I think) for pitching for MIN. He won 11 games as a 24 year old (lost 12 though) in 1993. He then went 8-12 for CHC in the year after that and then didn't really do much after that and called it quits after 50 IPs for the Sox over 2 years.
Banks was the #3 overall pick in the draft where Ken Griffey Jr was #1, also he played high school basketball with Bobby Hurley Jr at national power St. Anthony’s in Jersey City (which I remember because I lived in JC, then and still).