How to improve the WR position
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SF did this and traded up for Trey Lance. How's that working out? I mean they are still a good team, but that's in part because they're still getting Alex Smith caliber QB play. But it sure doesn't appear that making that move was a good one for them. At least not right now.
But yeah...I mean, if somehow the Pats could get a stud QB in this draft, I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Yeah, they won 12-0 and 15-10 then lost 10-3, 14-6, and 9-6. Then didn't lose again and averaged like 27 points/game.
You say that but he taught me one important thing about football: Mark Sanchez was definitely going to be a better football player than Stafford or Josh Freeman because if all the first round quarterbacks were going out to dinner they'd give Sanchez the car keys.
I also think that 1999 Dilfer would cost like 20 million a year as a free agent.
JSN clocked between 4.48-4.52 40 at the OSU pro-day. Pro days are typically faster times but anything sub 4.6 was going to be considered successful for him. I doubt he lasts until pick 14 at this point, seems to have cemented himself as the top WR in this class, likely in a tier by himself.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/22/panthers-first-no-1-draft-pick-decision-young-stroud-qb
Breer says that from what he's hearing the Patriots aren't really in on Hopkins. Might have interest in Jeudy or one of the other DEN WRs if the price gets low enough.
Breer says that from what he's hearing the Patriots aren't really in on Hopkins. Might have interest in Jeudy or one of the other DEN WRs if the price gets low enough.
SP’s offense highly utilizes the slot. I’m failing to see why he would want to trade a guy like Jeudy who is versatile and produces. If you blow the doors off them with an offer sure but if I were them I would stick to my guns. A 2 and a 4 would be nice but for one rookie and one somewhat cost controlled year of Jeudy I think the Patriots win that trade.
I don't think the Patriots will ever have a top 15 in the league WR again until Belichick retires. Not a complaint, just I think its time to stop hoping. Hopefully BOB can put some together with the 2nd and 3rd tier skills parts we have. He may.
Breer also said he could see the Pats taking a swing at WR early in the draft and mentioned JSN as a good fit. I had sort of been dismissing JSN since I think he will go before #14 and the Juju signing. But on second thought, Juju probably shouldn't preclude JSN if they feel he's such a great fit and falls to them, right? Juju played plenty of snaps outside of the slot last season, and even if they're not perfectly complementary, it won't be too difficult to move on from Juju in a year if you really need to.
I have very little trust in Belichick when it comes to drafting WRs. If he does draft a WR I suspect he will overthink it and take someone like Rashee Rice in the 1st round after trading down
JSN is good, but I don’t think he’s worth the 14th pick. Breer is leg-humping him because he went to tOSU.
With the accelerating WR salaries I think 5yrs of JSN is easily worth the 14th pick but I think he goes inside that.
Curious where he ends up. But in five years I think he'll be one of the top 3 to come out of this draft.
Lazar thinks JSN is a lock to make 100 receptions as a rookie. I’d take him at #14 if he’s there, which he may not be.
Ah yes, a lock to do something that has been done twice ever, out of hundreds of players.
I like Lazar at times, but that's just the dumbest pre-draft hype nonsense to justify a take.
And this is the guy who thinks he’s qualified to mock Pats fans’ hot takes? Interesting.
Lazar’s draft takes are putrid but… but… JSN is really good and more or less pro ready. He has the highest floor in the draft and imo is going to be a stud. He might cap out at a high end WR2 but I think he’s basically built a ton like Edelman and they have very similar games. 100 receptions as a rookie is a bit much but I’d buy 75+.
Lazar for example argues that Skoronski should be drafted and play OT which imo is just wrong.
He ran a 4.48 at Ohio State's pro day. People were saying he'd go in the top 15 if he broke 4.6. He's plenty fast enough apparently and that was his only question mark on the field.
As someone who despises Ohio State, it pains me to say this, but he's my number 1 binky in the draft and I would absolutely take him at 14.
Pretty crazy that Glenn had 167 targets in 15 games back in 1996 NFL. Even prime Isaac Bruce had fewer.
I love JSN, but after 20 years I'm 100% done projecting productive seasons from rookie Patriots receivers. If he becomes a 1000 yard guy in New England, it'll be in 2025 at the earliest.
I was kinda kidding: if the knee didn’t get him the eye injury from his Irving Fryar bar fight would have.
And, in my attempt to be glib I had forgotten just how impressiveGlenn’s first season was.
So, assuming the Howe/Allbright reporting is true and the Broncos want a 1st or a high 2nd + a player for Jeudy, what would your best offers be?
I don’t think I’d give up #14. But I’d be fine with a heftier pick package. Like #46 + #135 + next year’s 3rd. Or #46 + next year’s 2nd.
I don’t think I’d give up #14. But I’d be fine with a heftier pick package. Like #46 + #135 + next year’s 3rd. Or #46 + next year’s 2nd.
Why not just draft JSN instead of trading for Jeudy. I honestly think he’s going to be better than Jeudy anyway and he is a perfect fit for the offense. Zay would be great too. I’d be fine with a 2 and a 4 for Jeudy but I feel like the draft has good enough matches to not need to make that trade.
Not sure if this is in response to me - my suggestion would be a bet against the Broncos & a chance at a lottery ticket for next year to see if we can't luck into some Caleb Williams.
There's also no guarantee JSN would be available. But we probably have pretty similar values on Jeudy - I wouldn't actually do a 2 & a 4 unless I'm getting like a 5 back.
I feel like not many people talk about Thornton's potential this season (maybe with good reason?).
Obviously he had the clavicle fracture and it just a weird offensive season for the team in general.
But would be nice if he turns into something useful...that alone would be a nice improvement in the WR group.
Obviously he had the clavicle fracture and it just a weird offensive season for the team in general.
But would be nice if he turns into something useful...that alone would be a nice improvement in the WR group.
I didn't think JSN was a field stretcher like Jeudy. A number one X holds more value than a slot, no?
I think they have similar speeds but JSN did just run a 4.48 at his pro day and even if you adjust that it’s still a tick over 4.5 which is perfectly good speed to play outside. He isn’t a burner by any means but he can win vertically if that makes sense.
My only worry with JSN is that they just signed Juju who will play a similar role. But don’t let a good player stop you from drafting a potentially great one. If they do want more speed than it’s Zay Flowers. You can also find some quality guys later on like A.T. Perry. There isn’t a true WR stud in this class. The only guy I hope they avoid like the plague is Quentin Johnston. Not a good route runner. Inconsistent ball tracking. Bad hands and a body catcher.
Wow. Not sure how I missed that. Not sure how he does against press, but feels like a bit of a duplication of Juju.
Just another notch on my "trade for Hopkins" arrow. PFF has him as a top 10 WR over the last 2 years against press. Man can definitely fill the X role were missing.
JSN would take 14, right? So there's an opportunity cost with him where you might not be able to address OT, for instance.
I’d much prefer taking a preferred corner or OT at 14 (or if they drop a few picks, there) and grabbing Flowers at 46 (or, more likely given his combine performance, around pick 30-35 after a trade up).
