I Believe in Time Lord...Why Can't You?

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Well, clearly coming off of the best and most important 2 games of his career.
Yeah, you always want to weight playoff games a lot more highly in player evaluation, particularly if you're not just talking about shooting variance. (My evaluation of Marcus Smart as a shooter doesn't change much one way or the other based on last night.)

The things he's showing are non-variance-based, and are coming against an intense, prepared opponent.
 

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During the game I mentioned to my friend that it seemed just like classic TL. He has a good game, and then goes down with an injury. He came back, so maybe it's not that bad, but the guy has consistently gotten hurt every time he seems to be developing.
 

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TL helped push the first quarter lead in game 1, and kept the Cs in it in the first quarter of game 2. He's a game changer at both ends, and if he's slowed by that fall after the monster putback dunk, the Celtics will have to go in another direction to get a spark of the bench. Maybe dust of Kanter to abuse the Raps in the paint.
 

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TL helped push the first quarter lead in game 1, and kept the Cs in it in the first quarter of game 2. He's a game changer at both ends, and if he's slowed by that fall after the monster putback dunk, the Celtics will have to go in another direction to get a spark of the bench. Maybe dust of Kanter to abuse the Raps in the paint.
I'm not sure he's the right kind of game changer on the defensive end. But he could be one day
 

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I don’t want to call next season a make or break for Williams, but it is likely a rising-stud-or-role-player season and I mean that in the best way possible. Getting in a full healthy season is steps 1, 2, and 3, with the remaining steps being whether or not the game has slowed down enough for him to be just a step quicker on his defensive rotations and a tad better at staying home on pump fakes and the like.

Throw some added strength in there and who knows. “Starting center on championship quality team” is actually a pretty low bar if the other pieces + scheme are right. I know they prefer the starting big to hit threes but hard not to like the elements that Williams brings to the table if he can bring a bit more refinement in the coming season and reliably hit FT jumpers. It can take bigs some time but year 3 is usually critical.
 

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He seems to have added the mid-range jumper to his arsenal this year, which gives him another way to contribute on the offensive end besides lobs.
 

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He seems to have added the mid-range jumper to his arsenal this year, which gives him another way to contribute on the offensive end besides lobs.
Time Lord's offense is progressing nicely. His defense--apart from his shot-blocking--is where he has significant ground to make up.
 

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Centers are supposed to be the slowest to develop, right? Well, he's 22, so it seems he's on a promising track.

Two areas where I've seen a noticeable improvement: (1) He's getting into better position on rebounds, and is more often grabbing them with authority instead of tipping them away to who knows who (2) He is actually setting muscular screens; his first year he would set the worst, most useless screens -- he'd run out to the spot and immediately peel away, without any contact with the defender, like he was just going through the motions.
 

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Centers are supposed to be the slowest to develop, right? Well, he's 22, so it seems he's on a promising track.

Two areas where I've seen a noticeable improvement: (1) He's getting into better position on rebounds, and is more often grabbing them with authority instead of tipping them away to who knows who (2) He is actually setting muscular screens; his first year he would set the worst, most useless screens -- he'd run out to the spot and immediately peel away, without any contact with the defender, like he was just going through the motions.
I think Brad needs to up his minutes tonight. Now is the time as the above numbers do not lie.
 

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He's definitely put some work into improving his screening, which is great to see. He still has a ways to go in defending the pick and roll so that he isn't played off the floor by the likes of Serge Ibaka, but he's got the quick feet and lateral movement to do it, so it's just a matter of technique. He has some pretty low-hanging fruit to work on to improve his game up to the point where he's a 25-30 mpg player whose strengths aren't undermined by his weaknesses. He needs to work on conditioning, PnR technique, and continue to hone that 18 footer, but if he puts in the work like the rest of the young guys on this team do, he'll become a really useful player with some serious upside.
 

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To me, TL's biggest problem is focus. We saw it in Game 5 when he was inserted into the game with the Cs up big, and he was soft on a couple of offensive possessions. On one, as soon as he caught the inbound pass at the top of the three point line, I knew he was in trouble by how he poorly he came to the ball. On that play, VV stripped him and ran out the other way. Brad took him out and replaced him with the focused Williams, Grant.

When TL was mentally locked in this series, he's been very good. Boston could use one more good game out of him to close out TOR, and certainly will need him to deal with Bam, if the Cs advance to play Miami.
 

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To me, TL's biggest problem is focus. We saw it in Game 5 when he was inserted into the game with the Cs up big, and he was soft on a couple of offensive possessions. On one, as soon as he caught the inbound pass at the top of the three point line, I knew he was in trouble by how he poorly he came to the ball. On that play, VV stripped him and ran out the other way. Brad took him out and replaced him with the focused Williams, Grant.

When TL was mentally locked in this series, he's been very good. Boston could use one more good game out of him to close out TOR, and certainly will need him to deal with Bam, if the Cs advance to play Miami.
The Athletic article about the coaching back and forth someone posted in another thread suggested (at least the snippet that was included) that TOR was hunting TL as he is good on the initial PnR action but can be gotten by subsequent actions. I'm sure Brad saw this and that had a lot to do with why he got limited minutes. Hopefully he'll be more locked in for G6.
 

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He's definitely put some work into improving his screening, which is great to see. He still has a ways to go in defending the pick and roll so that he isn't played off the floor by the likes of Serge Ibaka, but he's got the quick feet and lateral movement to do it, so it's just a matter of technique. He has some pretty low-hanging fruit to work on to improve his game up to the point where he's a 25-30 mpg player whose strengths aren't undermined by his weaknesses. He needs to work on conditioning, PnR technique, and continue to hone that 18 footer, but if he puts in the work like the rest of the young guys on this team do, he'll become a really useful player with some serious upside.
I'd settle for high energy, efficient 12-15mpg player.

If the Celtics ever had to count on TL for 25-30 mpg I'd be concerned. His style of play/position/history screams nagging injuries/IR.
 

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Is it me, or does TL seem to end up flat on his back a lot? Obviously he jumps a lot, maybe he has an abnormal center of gravity or something.
 

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I'd settle for high energy, efficient 12-15mpg player.

If the Celtics ever had to count on TL for 25-30 mpg I'd be concerned. His style of play/position/history screams nagging injuries/IR.
That’s a very fair point.

I think it has to be good for a kid with focus and work habit issues to be contributing to a young team’s playoff run like this. He’s surrounded by grinders who are mature beyond their years, and they seem really supportive of one another. Seems like he often looks to Marcus and Theis for input after play stoppages. The Celtics really do seem to have a great environment for kids patiently nurturing young talent.
 

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This series feels like it has to have room for Time Lord. He can't be on the floor with Olynyk, but if he gets his 10-15 minutes against Bam, it could be a good matchup for him. Bam isn't a threat to shoot, so he can stay more zoned up in the middle, and Bam struggles against length in the post from what I've seen. The X factor there would be if the Robinson/Bam handoff game gives him trouble, in which case he'll be glued to the bench.
 

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In football there is the practice squad, in NHL there are the Black Aces. Extra bodies that you can put out there to attempt to simulate looks that the opposition gives you? In NBA practices, how well can they (the subs) try to simulate an offense/defense of the opponent, while also getting in reps against that look? Or is it "you gotta learn ours, you gotta learn thier's" . Maybe this is best for @reggiecleveland and all other coaches out there.
 

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This series feels like it has to have room for Time Lord. He can't be on the floor with Olynyk, but if he gets his 10-15 minutes against Bam, it could be a good matchup for him. Bam isn't a threat to shoot, so he can stay more zoned up in the middle, and Bam struggles against length in the post from what I've seen. The X factor there would be if the Robinson/Bam handoff game gives him trouble, in which case he'll be glued to the bench.
Since series like this are often about surprises, i wonder if we see TL in the game because he might be able to exploit an offensive advantage -- sort of what we've expected to see from Kanter --- instead of being limited mostly to situations where he can excel on defense without getting exposed.
 

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Since series like this are often about surprises, i wonder if we see TL in the game because he might be able to exploit an offensive advantage -- sort of what we've expected to see from Kanter --- instead of being limited mostly to situations where he can excel on defense without getting exposed.
I'd expect to see a 3 headed Center position of Theis/Grant/TL....not liking the idea of Kanter on the floor with Butler/Dragic..

but trust the Brad 5-Machine to make life more difficult for Bam then most are predicting