Agreed.
I doubt it's them being cheap, more likely legal advice. And same advice to not disclose the exact infraction he violated in public or go into detail. Which might be good advice but they are taking a PR beating about it.
Ime Udoka suspended for the 22-23 season
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I doubt it's them being cheap, more likely legal advice. And same advice to not disclose the exact infraction he violated in public or go into detail. Which might be good advice but they are taking a PR beating about it.
Say SAS is an idiot without saying it. She’s as good as it gets.
View: https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1573378769569849344?s=46&t=chN1L3B4i1pwXgc40Sm7HA
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Ime’s statement is more telling than either of these. His statement did not sound like someone who believes he’s being railroaded.
Yeah, it sounded like the statement of someone who knew he'd fucked up royally.
Mina is the best. Pablo (above her) is also great. I am not sure who the third man there was
Ah yes. I mostly know all three of them from Around the Horn. He hasn't been on as much but I generally find myself agreeing with him, too.
Deets please. Hearing about Perk making a fool of himself is one of the only things that could cheer me up today.
This is wild. I definitely thought it was an odd length when it came out (and given Boston's reputation nationally, was sure the national discourse was going to be a different focus) but as things are coming to the surface, this is looking really bad.
Perk was mad that only Ime was penalized and not the woman as well. The ESPN hosts were trying to steer him into clarity and he dismissed every offramp and so they finally read him the riot act and showed him the door.
They are ignoring that part and focusing only on the "consensual" relationship.
I mean, I get the argument at a basic level but that's a misrepresentation of what is going on.
Real John Wilkes Booth did a lot of great things in the theater approach sounds like.
Not surprising I guess to see this reflexively trigger dudes worried they’re not going to be able to have sex in the office without focusing on the fact that wasn’t the issue.
It’ll be ok, Perk and SAS - the new rules aren’t that hard to navigate.
I'm not morally against workplace romance, but there are 3 rules about it which have, I think we can say, consensus recognition for why they're important and necessary:
1. Nobody within your chain of command
2. Don't bring it to work
3. No means no
We were initially worried about #1, but if Ime broke both #2 and #3, I lean far more towards "can't have that". Depending on the exact facts (that we don't have), I could see anything from a big fine or a short suspension up to this "long suspension that will probably become a firing", all being reasonable.
But a lot of the worries yesterday were "what if he didn't break any of those 3? What if this was just an owner run amok on personal grievance?". And that's where Caspir's intel initially led us to. But it also shows how quickly people immediately jump to the explanation that would maximally excuse the guy, indeed flock to such an explanation when offered. Even when the reasoning of "hey, the team is suspending him for a year, so it's probably not the set of facts that would be the most innocuous ones possible" was also on the scales.
And that kinda sucks.
1. Nobody within your chain of command
2. Don't bring it to work
3. No means no
We were initially worried about #1, but if Ime broke both #2 and #3, I lean far more towards "can't have that". Depending on the exact facts (that we don't have), I could see anything from a big fine or a short suspension up to this "long suspension that will probably become a firing", all being reasonable.
But a lot of the worries yesterday were "what if he didn't break any of those 3? What if this was just an owner run amok on personal grievance?". And that's where Caspir's intel initially led us to. But it also shows how quickly people immediately jump to the explanation that would maximally excuse the guy, indeed flock to such an explanation when offered. Even when the reasoning of "hey, the team is suspending him for a year, so it's probably not the set of facts that would be the most innocuous ones possible" was also on the scales.
And that kinda sucks.
This was the segment. Interesting that he also said 'everybody knew.'
View: https://youtu.be/Hv_kkF2ifY0
View: https://youtu.be/Hv_kkF2ifY0
That host was absolutely 100% spot-on…..and her admonishment ought to be heard by everyone coming up with their own uninformed takes on this situation.
I realize that an employment agreement can contain just about any terms not specifically prohibited by law... but under usual definitions of firing for-cause, you'd think this would be covered. And if so, you wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on suing for wrongful termination or getting the value of your contract paid out, right?
Can any of the ECB folks here give some ideas of why the team would be willing to pay more than a nominal go-away severance to an employee under these conditions? They've got a law firm's report confirming, it would appear, severe violations of team policies, and conduct bordering on criminal (whether or not a DA would pursue it). Under what circumstances would they be unwilling to just fire him after the conclusion of the investigation?
What exactly makes anyone think that the Celtics have handled this badly?
The lack of information? (a common practice in situations like this)
The Possibility that we will have to watch a 5th place team over the next 10 years?
What makes anyone think that in this entire situation Ime handled his shit well?
So Yea I guess I am team Celtics.
The lack of information? (a common practice in situations like this)
The Possibility that we will have to watch a 5th place team over the next 10 years?
What makes anyone think that in this entire situation Ime handled his shit well?
So Yea I guess I am team Celtics.
@ametman has been here so long, shouldn't he be welcoming us!
Looking forward to next post, hopefully prior to 2039 . . . .
He's been watching the spinning wheel waiting for his first post, cursing the Graffanino error, to come through, and then he finally just said fuck it, re-booted, and gave it another shot.
I can think of anything that would be worthy of a year suspension that would not also be a fireable offense. Maybe I'm not being creative enough.
As i mentioned above, however, there may be issues at play that puts Ime in a protected legal status - such as disability. Or, as mentioned before, maybe the Cs want Ime to sign a release just to make sure everything is clean as a whistle and Ime won't do that without some sort of compensation.
Finally, maybe the Cs really want to help Ime?
I found Perk’s comments interesting. He said that “one of the relationships was consensual” which would indicate that (a) one of them was not and (b) the punishment may have been unrelated to the consensual relationship. I get the feeling that the independent law firm was brought in to investigate the consensual relationship and found something far worse with another employee. Hence the comments from Wyc about “twists and turns.”
Or maybe they don't want Ime to leave for the sunny climes of Brooklyn. I suspect a resignation would require him to not take another NBA job for the duration of his contract.
One point I haven't seen addressed is whether the suspension is with or without pay. Any citations on this aspect?
Possible, could also from the vague Shams thing be a case of consensual relationship which was allowed, it went sideways and became an issue (one reason places don't really like even consensual relationships)
Without, Wyc mentioned that there was a financial impact in the press conference today when asked.
Wait, he was having TWO affairs with married women at the same time?
well now I’m getting close to Nip’s camp.
well now I’m getting close to Nip’s camp.
Malika seems to be doing a great job navigating these egos she's forced to deal with. Really impressive.
Yes, Malika is excellent. She should have gotten the job they gave to Greenie for big game NBA hosting duties. Maybe someday.
Ime batting .500 on sexual relationships with married women on the Celtics front office staff being consensual…. Perk used that as a positive piece of information in Ime’s defense?
What an absolute clown Ime is. He’s going to be fired and never coach another game for the Celtics. Good riddance.
He's probably never going to coach in the NBA again. Even at its best, he had an affair with 2 married women on the C's staff. Who would want to work with that guy? He's definitely not someone you are going to introduce to your wife/gf.
Perk called them innocent women and then said they should be punished. He also said, and one of the female panelists agreed, that the Celtics didn't do a good job protecting the women involved here. Ignoring Perk's contradictions in that regard, can someone elaborate on that? How could the Celtics have gone through this process better to protect anyone? The fact this came out only now is something I'd consider a minor miracle.
@GeorgeCostanza, @lovegtm,@wade boggs chicken dinner ....lmao, I would like to welcome you to SOSH....that's funny as hell that I've been a member since 2005, and just made my first post...have a great weekend, and be safe.
An independent investigation that began in July, and the first leaks came right when the Celtics were about to take action. I’d say the Celtics did a really good job for the last few months.
I also think “the Celtics should have done better” is a lazy way of trying to both sides everything. I’ve seen no follow-up on what exactly they should have done better
Perk says “I have the information” but clearly knows nothing. If Perk had real information, he would be speaking to it instead of claiming “everybody knew” about unspecified acts.
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Just kidding. Glad you are posting after all this time!
Not sure this is exactly accurate. Wyc said “The suspension comes with, at least I’ll say, a significant financial penalty when you net it all out. That’s an accurate statement. Very significant financial penalty.” He sidestepped the question of whether the suspension was with or without pay. He said he did not plan to address this question at all in the presser, but decided in the end to give that much information. I'm not sure legally how this works, but it sounded to me like Ime is getting paid but agreed to give up some percentage of his salary, perhaps?
I just found it amusing that in the last 17 years we’ve celebrated 6 championships, went through/still going through a once in a hundred years pandemic, Pats TE murdered 3 people, Russia invading a sovereign nation, reality show host as POTUS, all of the extended Marvel Universe movies, Herron getting traded without proper explanation from BB, multiple MLB cheating scandals…you get the idea, and this is what gets you to say hello.
As another poster said, we’ll see you in 2039
edit: and you got a tag out of it! I don’t have one of those. Sad.
Tremendous.I just found it amusing that in the last 17 years we’ve celebrated 6 championships, went through/still going through a once in a hundred years pandemic, Pats TE murdered 3 people, Russia invading a sovereign nation, reality show host as POTUS, all of the extended Marvel Universe movies, Herron getting traded without proper explanation from BB, multiple MLB cheating scandals…you get the idea, and this is what gets you to say hello.
As another poster said, we’ll see you in 2039