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Im not sure if the first paragraph is sarcasm or not but I would bet a lot of money that the process for this was coming up with a list and sending it to friends over text and seeing if there was any pushback. I am almost 100% confident there were 0 hours spent converting dollars to wins or any sort of deep dive like that
I think you can safely assume that the paragraph from DeJesus is purely facetious. 90% of Bill's content is an excuse to bullshit about basketball with buddies, which is all fine enough. It's entertainment (at least it is when it's entertaining) and beyond that there isn't much to take seriously.
 

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Im not sure if the first paragraph is sarcasm or not but I would bet a lot of money that the process for this was coming up with a list and sending it to friends over text and seeing if there was any pushback. I am almost 100% confident there were 0 hours spent converting dollars to wins or any sort of deep dive like that
It was Simmon's schtick and for entertainment purposes only. Guess Bill upsets some folks around here.

Agree with Wade probably says more about how good the NBA GMs have been, in spite of the Gobert one-offs
 

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I think Beal is properly rated there. He's the 4th highest paid player in the league this year, the NUMBER 1 overall contract and has a no trade clause.... that's insane, particularly when you consider his level now.
LEBRON has him at 58th, DARKO has him at 50th, RAPTOR has him at 68th.
Yeah. Joe House, who is a Wizards fan, made that pick. Reasoning was not that he's a bad player, but basically giving a pretty good player entering his decline years a deal that big guarantees your team will be irrelevant for at least half a decade. He's probably the #3 player on a finals team, #2 if your best player is a transcendent superstar in his prime, but his presence precludes getting that player. Your upside is probably a six seed and there's no guarantee you'll even make the play in.

Being a draft, there was some variability between the three drafters as to how highly you pick decent players on huge contracts vs unplayable guys on medium money.
 

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I was just taking a shot a Simmons content which is very lazy and takey these days imo. People are free to discuss it just like any other topic. I was just responding to another poster correctly pointing out that its not a serious exercise.

I think that each one of the Cs, including those on rookie contracts, have been overpaid by a lot for at least 23 games all season. But I only like paying for wins.
 

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Off that list, you definitely would for Duncan Robinson (I think he’s the worst contract in the NBA). I think you would for Poole and Fournier.
Agree on Duncan. Fournier too, although his is less bad because he only has one year left.

I think Poole is young enough and has shown enough that I don't think his contract is unmovable.
 

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This list is terrible even by terrible standards.
The big problem is that fans still have a perspective on player contracts formed on cap-less leagues like MLB. Also it's very hard to conceptualize the rate of cap increases in the past (and the near future). What was huge 3 years ago is not so much now.
 

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You think it'd be on crutches OR in a cart, but that semantic issue aside it sure didn't look good. PG13 is always excellent but was really rounding into form, as was given an exclamation point by that dunk earlier in this same game. Will see...but certainly to any set of non-expert eyes it looked liked something serious.

“He left the arena on crutches, in a cart… There's real concern within the Clippers that this is a serious injury."
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on Paul George's leg injury
View: https://twitter.com/nonbiasednbafan/status/1638545453833699330
 

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You think it'd be on crutches OR in a cart, but that semantic issue aside it sure didn't look good.
I'm being a pedant, but the tweet makes sense in that long walks (like in the tunnel) would require a cart, but short walks (like into a car or team bus) require crutches.
 

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you're probably right and no reason to apologize for being a pedant...when that's exactly what I was being. Just that I had an image of him in a cart helping push it along w/ his crutches.... :)

In any case, as an L.A. resident at times I've vaguely adopted the Clippers as a team to root for and other times not. This year not so much (something not very likeable about their lack of passion), but even so always easy to admire PG 13's game. Hoping this isn't too severe.
 

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This should be his wiki page:

Paul George, owner of the strongest knee ligaments ever created. Wtf
 

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What happened in the third quarter was that the refs awarded the ball to GS after a loose ball went out of bounds. The ref pointed in the direction of GS. The Mavs then immediately called timeout, which the ref immediately signaled for. So the PA announcer in Dallas was confused, and announced it was Mavs ball. When they came out of the timeout, none of the Mavs players were playing defense, since they thought it was their ball, and GS got an uncontested basket.

It looked bad, but really the refs got it right and the PA announcer got it wrong. I think you can blame the refs that they should have clarified with the PA announcer that it was GS ball during the timeout. That is probably where the Mavs have the best argument.
 

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The Knicks may have peaked 15 games too early, defense has been ASG level two games in a row now.
 

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What happened in the third quarter was that the refs awarded the ball to GS after a loose ball went out of bounds. The ref pointed in the direction of GS. The Mavs then immediately called timeout, which the ref immediately signaled for. So the PA announcer in Dallas was confused, and announced it was Mavs ball. When they came out of the timeout, none of the Mavs players were playing defense, since they thought it was their ball, and GS got an uncontested basket.

It looked bad, but really the refs got it right and the PA announcer got it wrong. I think you can blame the refs that they should have clarified with the PA announcer that it was GS ball during the timeout. That is probably where the Mavs have the best argument.
No, here’s what happened. The officials changed the call during the timeout, they didn’t tell the Mavs assuming there would be a PA announcement but no announcement was made. Totally bizarre.
 

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No, here’s what happened. The officials changed the call during the timeout, they didn’t tell the Mavs assuming there would be a PA announcement but no announcement was made. Totally bizarre.
That’s what is called an egregious error on the part of the refs. Since when are refs allowed to outsource their tasks to the PA announcer?
 

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Not true at all, please watch the clip before commenting.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5iVx4cCDRQ
I took the words out of Mark Cuban’s mouth/tweet. After seeing this clip I have no idea what he’s complaining about but why are all the Mavs and the third official on the other end of the floor? Kerr said he had no reason to believe it wasn’t there ball and was drawing up an inbounds play. So weird.
 

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I took the words out of Mark Cuban’s mouth/tweet. After seeing this clip I have no idea what he’s complaining about but why are all the Mavs and the third official on the other end of the floor? Kerr said he had no reason to believe it wasn’t there ball and was drawing up an inbounds play. So weird.
You can also see in the clip after the call is made, Looney immediately protests to the ref, thinking he gave it to the Mavs, but the ref clarifies that it was Warriors ball, timeout Mavs.
 

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The refs should have known something was up when none of the Mavs were on D and out of courtesy they should have held up the game a few seconds. But if the Mavs truly thought it was their ball, why was no one trying to inbound the ball?
 

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The refs should have known something was up when none of the Mavs were on D and out of courtesy they should have held up the game a few seconds. But if the Mavs truly thought it was their ball, why was no one trying to inbound the ball?
Right. What a joke that the Mavs are complaining when they didn't even set up to in-bound the ball. The confusion is all on them. If you're so sure it's your ball, the usual procedure that I believe i learned in 2nd grade is to send someone to in-bound the ball and someone to receive the in-bounds pass. Did they miss that lesson?

As for Luka giving the money sign...his act is getting really old. Great player and I'm not one of those guys who hates players who complain -- if I was in there getting hacked I'd be complaining all the time, too. Hell...I watch TV and yell at it all the time. But he's really going over the top and the money sign is something that deserves a league crackdown. (Same, though less egregious, with the Suns comments about the FT disparity with the Lakers last night insinuating something is weird, etc. Nothing is weird, ya dopes: the Lakers drive to the basket the Suns don't. Booker is the only Suns player who drives and he gets a ton of calls. It's not fucking complicated and it's not a conspiracy, Monty and CP3 and Devin et al. Takes gall for CP3 of all people -- the master at baiting (lame unintentional pun) fouls -- to complain.
 

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The Knicks are back!

Here's what I think about the Knicks," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "They have two handfuls of trade material, in my opinion. They can make, in my opinion, two big trades if they had to coming into this summer.

"They have the expiring contract of Evan Fournier, which can act as ballast in a trade. They have a bunch of younger players that people are interested in. And they have something like nine tradable first round picks.

"In my view, they can trade for two star-level players if they needed to. It doesn't mean they'd have to do those deals in the summer of '23. Those deals can be made within the 23-24 season, they can be in '24. But they can hold, in my opinion, they can hold Jalen Brunson, they can hold Julius Randle, and they can make two giant trades.

"It's going to require, I think, a player to say 'Send me to New York.' And potentially another star player to say 'Oh, I'll go to New York too.'

"Or for New York to pull a big trade and a star player going 'Ah, man. They got this and they still have this. I want to do that.'

"I kind of compare it to where the Cavs were in 2014. The Cavs had stuff and they had space. They used the space on LeBron and they used the stuff for Kevin Love."


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270884/Knicks-Have-Potential-To-Make-Separate-Trades-For-Two-Star-Level-Players
 

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The Knicks are back!

Here's what I think about the Knicks," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "They have two handfuls of trade material, in my opinion. They can make, in my opinion, two big trades if they had to coming into this summer.

"They have the expiring contract of Evan Fournier, which can act as ballast in a trade. They have a bunch of younger players that people are interested in. And they have something like nine tradable first round picks.

"In my view, they can trade for two star-level players if they needed to. It doesn't mean they'd have to do those deals in the summer of '23. Those deals can be made within the 23-24 season, they can be in '24. But they can hold, in my opinion, they can hold Jalen Brunson, they can hold Julius Randle, and they can make two giant trades.

"It's going to require, I think, a player to say 'Send me to New York.' And potentially another star player to say 'Oh, I'll go to New York too.'

"Or for New York to pull a big trade and a star player going 'Ah, man. They got this and they still have this. I want to do that.'

"I kind of compare it to where the Cavs were in 2014. The Cavs had stuff and they had space. They used the space on LeBron and they used the stuff for Kevin Love."


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270884/Knicks-Have-Potential-To-Make-Separate-Trades-For-Two-Star-Level-Players
Kyrie and who else?
 

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The Knicks are back!

Here's what I think about the Knicks," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "They have two handfuls of trade material, in my opinion. They can make, in my opinion, two big trades if they had to coming into this summer.

"They have the expiring contract of Evan Fournier, which can act as ballast in a trade. They have a bunch of younger players that people are interested in. And they have something like nine tradable first round picks.

"In my view, they can trade for two star-level players if they needed to. It doesn't mean they'd have to do those deals in the summer of '23. Those deals can be made within the 23-24 season, they can be in '24. But they can hold, in my opinion, they can hold Jalen Brunson, they can hold Julius Randle, and they can make two giant trades.

"It's going to require, I think, a player to say 'Send me to New York.' And potentially another star player to say 'Oh, I'll go to New York too.'

"Or for New York to pull a big trade and a star player going 'Ah, man. They got this and they still have this. I want to do that.'

"I kind of compare it to where the Cavs were in 2014. The Cavs had stuff and they had space. They used the space on LeBron and they used the stuff for Kevin Love."


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270884/Knicks-Have-Potential-To-Make-Separate-Trades-For-Two-Star-Level-Players
I mean, the "stuff" in 2014 was the #1 draft pick (Wiggins). The Knicks won't have anything comparable to that in 2023-2024. I think the Knicks are going to find that making that incremental leap from good to very good/elite won't be that easy. Brunson and Randle have probably close to maxed out their potential...and it's not nearly enough to win a title.
 

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Brunson, Randle, and Barrett are a nice 1-2-3. Quickley has room to grow and is just 23. Mitchell Robinson is a guy who I think has loads of potential, but we'll see. I agree that the jump from good to great is really hard, but they've successfully made the jump from (whatever) to good.
 

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I took the words out of Mark Cuban’s mouth/tweet. After seeing this clip I have no idea what he’s complaining about but why are all the Mavs and the third official on the other end of the floor? Kerr said he had no reason to believe it wasn’t there ball and was drawing up an inbounds play. So weird.
The refs should have known something was up when none of the Mavs were on D and out of courtesy they should have held up the game a few seconds. But if the Mavs truly thought it was their ball, why was no one trying to inbound the ball?
Right. What a joke that the Mavs are complaining when they didn't even set up to in-bound the ball. The confusion is all on them. If you're so sure it's your ball, the usual procedure that I believe i learned in 2nd grade is to send someone to in-bound the ball and someone to receive the in-bounds pass. Did they miss that lesson?
Not sure, but is it as simple as, they called timeout and assumed the ball would be advanced (so they would inbound in their frontcourt, not in their backcourt)? That would explain why all the Mavs were on the other end of the court.
 

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Not sure, but is it as simple as, they called timeout and assumed the ball would be advanced (so they would inbound in their frontcourt, not in their backcourt)? That would explain why all the Mavs were on the other end of the court.
That's only the rule in the last two minutes of the 4th and OT.
 

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I mean, it's clear that the Mavericks thought they were getting the ball, right? There's zero chance they believed that Golden State was getting the ball and then simply decided to not defend their own hoop.

Best guess is that they thought that they'd get the ball in their front court - but I don't see any photo or video of them having a player out of bounds looking to in bound the ball.

But it's very odd that a ref was in Dallas' front court. Because if it was clear to everyone that the Warriors got the ball, that ref would have been WAY out of position - there would have been zero reason for him to have been there. All three refs would have been in the Mavs' backcourt.

So clearly - CLEARLY - there was a mixup somewhere, and not just with the Mavs, but with a ref. Now the ref doesn't really have a responsibility for how the Mavericks handle it, but they should have known right away that there was confusion. The wise thing would have been to blow the whistle and clarify things. BUT by rule, they didn't HAVE to do that to accommodate Dallas.

HOWEVER, when they knew that one of their officials was clearly confused and out of position, they (or the ref that was confused) absolutely should have blown the whistle and gotten things squared away.

I think Dallas has a legit beef here based on what I've seen. Though obviously there may be more to the story here.


EDIT: I didn't think about the "advancing the ball" rule only applying in the last 2 minutes and OT, so Dallas definitely screwed up here. But still...so did the refs.
 

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I have no idea what they were thinking, but it would be far from the first time a team forgot to send someone to inbound the ball. Miscommunication happens.

Either way, they don’t have a leg to stand on now that it’s clear Kliq’s version is correct. The PA’s word doesn’t matter. The refs’ does.
 

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I have no idea what they were thinking, but it would be far from the first time a team forgot to send someone to inbound the ball. Miscommunication happens.

Either way, they don’t have a leg to stand on now that it’s clear Kliq’s version is correct. The PA’s word doesn’t matter. The refs’ does.
I believe the ref when he said he declared it was Golden State's ball.

But then the third ref - who was in Dallas' front court, not remotely where he should have been - royally screwed up and was himself obviously confused. So I don't know what the explanation is for THAT.
 

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The Mavs might be the most unserious franchise in the league now that the Kings turned it around.
 

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The Mavs might be the most unserious franchise in the league now that the Kings turned it around.
Right? I mean, there's a lot to worry about in the world and this is in the lower .00001%, but all the same I can't get over Cuban protesting a game over what comes down to "the ref should have coached our team where to go/what to do."
 

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Right? I mean, there's a lot to worry about in the world and this is in the lower .00001%, but all the same I can't get over Cuban protesting a game over what comes down to "the ref should have coached our team where to go/what to do."
TO be fair I guess it could be strategic, whining about the refs does take attention away from their front office being a toxic cesspool of harrassment and misbehaviour, their coach being both a shitty person and bad at his job, their stars being a weirdo ant-semitism dabbler and white Harden with less stamina.
 

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This video shows it pretty clearly. He did it a few times.
That does look like a foul that gets called 99 times out of 100. Green's arms weren't straight up; they were clearly angled over. If he had been Sam Hauser, he would've picked up that foul I bet. Of course the confounding factor is that, end of game, refs tend to swallow their whistles anyway.

Edit: Well, I guess the two-minute NBA report disagrees with me; it says that's a correct no-call. I swear that kind of contact gets called all the time though. One more thing: on the slow-motion, you can see that Green has his arms straight up at first, but then angles them lower a little, so pretty much ensures there will be contact ... it's subtle, which goes to show that Green is crafty for sure.
 
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That does look like a foul that gets called 99 times out of 100. Green's arms weren't straight up; they were clearly angled over. If he had been Sam Hauser, he would've picked up that foul I bet. Of course the confounding factor is that, end of game, refs tend to swallow their whistles anyway.

Edit: Well, I guess the two-minute NBA report disagrees with me; it says that's a correct no-call. I swear that kind of contact gets called all the time though. One more thing: on the slow-motion, you can see that Green has his arms straight up at first, but then angles them lower a little, so pretty much ensures there will be contact ... it's subtle, which goes to show that Green is crafty for sure.
IMO, the two-minute report is the most honest self-reflection any sports does around officiating by a long shot, and the NBA deserves credit for it. It also is only about 50% reasonable on calling things errors in my review of it against games I watch
 

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Seems to me Luka pushes off pretty egregiously, throwing his arm/elbow into Green. Green with his arms up/slightly bent is ticky tak and could see either way. Luka's is the more obvious foul.