iPhone 6 - BFD

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teddykgb said:
I'm really, really struggling with whether to opt for the regular 6 or the Plus.  From reading online, it seems like the Note 3 is the best comparable for the 6 Plus dimensions?  I'm using a Moto X daily so I know that the iPhone6 itself won't be a problem, but it seems like it isn't THAT much larger to go up to the larger phone...
 
 
The 6+ is 1/4 inch taller and about the same width as the Note 3.  http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Apple-iPhone-6-Plus,Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3/phones/8908,7984
 
The 6+ is HUGE compared to the Moto X.  http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size#/phones/size/Apple-iPhone-6-Plus,Motorola-Moto-X/phones/8908,7885
 

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I am interested in knowing if all the online orderers are selecting the two year contract or the Next/Verizon More installment plans. 
 
If you have recently changed to a Mobile Share Value plan on ATT, make sure that you are using the Next program or your per line price will go up from $15 a month to $40 a month. 
 
This made me go back and check my bill. I have a Mobile Share Value plan on AT&T, am not using Next, and my per line price is listed as $40 a month, followed by a $25 credit for "Discount for Mobile Share Value Savings" (so in effect the per line price is still $15). Do I just have a good deal?
 

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Haha.

I generally wear slim fit straight leg jeans (not hipster skinny jeans). I have pairs by 3 or 4 different brands, but in general they're basic, slim cut which works best for my frame. Obviously every pair of pants has different measurements, but it struck me as problematic that this phone would not fit all the way into the jeans I had on today (which are a great pair of raw denim that fit me perfectly and I've been breaking in for a year). I'm not buying new clothes to accommodate a phone, so the 6 might be out for me.
Hmm, people sometimes call me out for wearing skinny jeans, and my HTC One m8 has no problem fitting into the top (and it's slightly larger than the 6).

The 6+ looks hilarious when shown next to the 4. It's *massive*. Apple actually making a phablet is sort of astonishing.
 

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I don't know how the AT&T trade-in works. 
 
With Verizon, I'll get a $200 gift card for my iPhone 4. I can use the gift card to pay monthly bills. I am still going to be "out of pocket" the price of the iPhone 6 the day they ship it to me and run the charge on my credit card.

 
 
Where do you see this $200 for a iPhone 4 with VZW? Their trade in site is only offering me like $30 for a 4S
 

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teddykgb said:
I'm really, really struggling with whether to opt for the regular 6 or the Plus.  From reading online, it seems like the Note 3 is the best comparable for the 6 Plus dimensions?  I'm using a Moto X daily so I know that the iPhone6 itself won't be a problem, but it seems like it isn't THAT much larger to go up to the larger phone...
I was struggling with this as well.  I ultimately decided to forego the 6+ and the extras it comes with (image stabilization etc) and go instead with the 6 and more memory.  For me, having a phone that fits in my pocket still matters to me - one that i can take to the gym and not have a tablet stuck to my arm when I'm out for a run.  I don't watch very many movies on my iPhone - just TV or iPad for that, so a larger screen just doesn't matter that much to me.
 

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Where do you see this $200 for a iPhone 4 with VZW? Their trade in site is only offering me like $30 for a 4S
 
Are you able to answer YES to all of the "Tell us about your trade-in device" questions? If not it will impact the final price.
 

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Apple actually making a phablet is sort of astonishing.
 
If Jobs were alive I'd agree with you.
 
Grabbed a silver 6 64GB yesterday. Derekson, just think of the 64 as giving you 32GB free. Previously, the $299 phone was 32GB. They just bumped up the storage without asking us to pay for it. That's a win. I had maxed out my 32GB 5 because of media in Messages and iPhoto library. iOS8 has settings for those, so I'm now about 10 under, but I don't store music on my phone anymore so maybe I can do that again.
 

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think of the 64 as giving you 32GB free. Previously, the $299 phone was 32GB. They just bumped up the storage without asking us to pay for it. That's a win.
 
Well, if they had bumped the 16 to 32 in a similar way (still charging the $199 price point), you'd save $100 for the exact size you wanted.  I'm moving up to 64 for my next phone anyway, so I'm cool with it, but it's not a pure win for everybody. 
 

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If Jobs were alive I'd agree with you.
 
Grabbed a silver 6 64GB yesterday. Derekson, just think of the 64 as giving you 32GB free. Previously, the $299 phone was 32GB. They just bumped up the storage without asking us to pay for it. That's a win. I had maxed out my 32GB 5 because of media in Messages and iPhoto library. iOS8 has settings for those, so I'm now about 10 under, but I don't store music on my phone anymore so maybe I can do that again.
I was already 10 GB or so from filling my 32 GB 5S in iOS 7. I honestly think I might just go back to a 16 GB phone and just apply any additional credit to my next bill. I'm pretty vigilant about deleting apps and games I don't use anymore and I don't store any music or movies on my phone and still have unlimited data for streaming. iOS 8 freeing up photo and message space basically eliminated any need I have for a 32 (or 64) GB phone.
 

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Well, if they had bumped the 16 to 32 in a similar way (still charging the $199 price point), you'd save $100 for the exact size you wanted.  I'm moving up to 64 for my next phone anyway, so I'm cool with it, but it's not a pure win for everybody. 

 
 
Absolutely fair point. 
 
derekson said:
I was already 10 GB or so from filling my 32 GB 5S in iOS 7. I honestly think I might just go back to a 16 GB phone and just apply any additional credit to my next bill. I don't store any music or movies on my phone and still have unlimited data for streaming.
 
Yeah depends on your need and like I said, iOS8 has some nice new settings to keep your storage from getting packed. I personally would rather just spend the extra $100 and know I'll never have a problem where I can't take a photo on vacation or download an email attachment in a work emergency because I'm out of space (both things that have happened).
 

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The iOS 8 setting that auto-deletes photos and movies from iMessage is going to help a ton of people out.  That just handcuffs phones after a while right now, and the average user has no idea what to do about it. 
 

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Where do you see this $200 for a iPhone 4 with VZW? Their trade in site is only offering me like $30 for a 4S
 
https://www.trade-in.vzw.com/material-statement.php5?id=57924#top
 
 
The appraised value includes a promotional offer that requires a purchase of an iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus on Verizon Wireless by 9/30/2014. Your device must be mailed to Verizon Wireless within 7 days after receiving the new iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus but no later than 12/01/2014. 
 
Are you purchasing a new Apple iPhone 6 or Apple iPhone 6 Plus with Verizon Wireless and submitting a trade-in request for an iPhone (4, 4S, 5, 5C, 5S) that is in good working condition?
 

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dirtynine said:
The iOS 8 setting that auto-deletes photos and movies from iMessage is going to help a ton of people out.  That just handcuffs phones after a while right now, and the average user has no idea what to do about it. 
Is it at all possible to delete them? I'm guessing deleting the entire message threads from your phone would work...no?
 

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Just traded in the 4 for a $200 card at AT&T. Will trade in my 5S Friday. The guy did say he didn't think they could do multiple trade ins at once so you may have to do one ahead of time like I just did.
 

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Is it at all possible to delete them? I'm guessing deleting the entire message threads from your phone would work...no?
You can manually delete media as it comes in or delete threads or even clear the whole message history but most people don't.
 

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derekson said:
Just traded in the 4 for a $200 card at AT&T. Will trade in my 5S Friday. The guy did say he didn't think they could do multiple trade ins at once so you may have to do one ahead of time like I just did.
Did you just take it into a store? I can charge my 4 and reset it to default in Settings - that'll kill all my data that's in it right?
 

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Thanks. I don't really wan to buy a new phone at the moment I don't think, my 5 is fine and I get a new battery this weekend that hopefully makes it more usable. I guess I can just keep it as a backup (which is what my 4 is now).
 

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The answer to your question is cleverly hidden in the link you quoted.
 

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The Four Peters said:
The answer to your question is cleverly hidden in the link you quoted.
 
 
Requires eligible trade-in and purchase of new smartphone on AT&T NextSM, 2-year wireless agreement, or at regular price with no annual contract and qualified service activation.
So I guess that means yes to my question? 
 

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I've spent a little time looking into Next. I'm currently on unlimited data but not unlimited messaging, and my wife has the 250mb plan and 200 messaging plan.
 
I use roughly 6-7gb/mo. We pay roughly $105/mo (using a discount for my employer). We can switch to Next, the 10gb shared plan w/ unlimited data and voice, get the phone for "free" and pay in 20 installments and then it's yours free and clear. We upgrade every 2.5 years usually.
 
I'm starting to think moving to Next is a bit of a no-brainer honestly.
 

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I've spent a little time looking into Next. I'm currently on unlimited data but not unlimited messaging, and my wife has the 250mb plan and 200 messaging plan.
 
I use roughly 6-7gb/mo. We pay roughly $105/mo (using a discount for my employer). We can switch to Next, the 10gb shared plan w/ unlimited data and voice, get the phone for "free" and pay in 20 installments and then it's yours free and clear. We upgrade every 2.5 years usually.
 
I'm starting to think moving to Next is a bit of a no-brainer honestly.
 
I'm still on unlimited. If I was on a family plan I'd probably ditch my unlimited plan and do the 10 GB family share with Next though.
 
If you're on a contract plan, you're paying ~$20 for a new phone every month whether you upgrade or not, so if you've had an iPhone 5 for 2 years you're going to be giving AT&T money for it after it's already paid off.
 

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derekson said:
 
I'm still on unlimited. If I was on a family plan I'd probably ditch my unlimited plan and do the 10 GB family share with Next though.
 
If you're on a contract plan, you're paying ~$20 for a new phone every month whether you upgrade or not, so if you've had an iPhone 5 for 2 years you're going to be giving AT&T money for it after it's already paid off.
The reason why I am hesitant to go to NEXT, is that I am currently on a family plan with shared data and unlimited texting (we also have ATT for our home phone) 
 

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I've spent a little time looking into Next. I'm currently on unlimited data but not unlimited messaging, and my wife has the 250mb plan and 200 messaging plan.
 
I use roughly 6-7gb/mo. We pay roughly $105/mo (using a discount for my employer). We can switch to Next, the 10gb shared plan w/ unlimited data and voice, get the phone for "free" and pay in 20 installments and then it's yours free and clear. We upgrade every 2.5 years usually.
 
I'm starting to think moving to Next is a bit of a no-brainer honestly.
I'm confused - how is it a no-brainer given your current plan? You currently pay $105/mo (so I assume before the employer discount it's ~125). The 10GB Mobile Share plan with Next is $130/mo before the employer discount. Next is the same as buying retail with free 0% financing - aka the iPhone 6 64GB is 749.99 retail, with Next you pay 37.50 per installment for 20 installments - $750. The price is the same - except the fact that you're giving up the 2 year phone subsidy ($450/phone) if you renew your 2 year contract (which I assume you have because you have an unlimited data plan). There's something to be said for going contract-less, but cost isn't always in favor of it.
 

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I'm confused - how is it a no-brainer given your current plan? You currently pay $105/mo (so I assume before the employer discount it's ~125). The 10GB Mobile Share plan with Next is $130/mo before the employer discount. Next is the same as buying retail with free 0% financing - aka the iPhone 6 64GB is 749.99 retail, with Next you pay 37.50 per installment for 20 installments - $750. The price is the same - except the fact that you're giving up the 2 year phone subsidy ($450/phone) if you renew your 2 year contract (which I assume you have because you have an unlimited data plan). There's something to be said for going contract-less, but cost isn't always in favor of it.
 
Because after the next payments end, he's no longer paying AT&T monthly for a phone he doesn't actually upgrade every 2 years on the dot.
 

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Because after the next payments end, he's no longer paying AT&T monthly for a phone he doesn't actually upgrade every 2 years on the dot.
But he said his current plan is $105/mo post employer discount, and the Mobile Share plan he wants is $130/mo before employer discount.
 
What I'm trying to say is that Mobile Share plans are more expensive.
 

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Rustjive said:
But he said his current plan is $105/mo post employer discount, and the Mobile Share plan he wants is $130/mo before employer discount.
 
What I'm trying to say is that Mobile Share plans are more expensive.
 
But you also pay $200-300 up front on a 2 year plan and nothing up front with Next.
 

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I'm confused - how is it a no-brainer given your current plan? You currently pay $105/mo (so I assume before the employer discount it's ~125). The 10GB Mobile Share plan with Next is $130/mo before the employer discount. Next is the same as buying retail with free 0% financing - aka the iPhone 6 64GB is 749.99 retail, with Next you pay 37.50 per installment for 20 installments - $750. The price is the same - except the fact that you're giving up the 2 year phone subsidy ($450/phone) if you renew your 2 year contract (which I assume you have because you have an unlimited data plan). There's something to be said for going contract-less, but cost isn't always in favor of it.
I'm saving a $300 upfront charge and would switch to unlimitng messaging which would benefit the wife. It'd allow her to use more data without fearing going over (she does go over every 3-4 months).
 

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Tell me if this is too good to be true.
 
I have an iPhone 5c which has a huge web like crack that makes the phone barely usable, so I need to do something to get a new phone or get it repaired for like $100
 
I currently have Verizon and pay $160 a month for 2 smart phones with 2GB of data, 700 minutes and 1,000 text messages plus 1 antique cellphone that just makes phone calls.  One smart phone is eligible for an upgrade in March of 2015 and the other is eligible in Nov of 2015.  I have to check on my early termination fee but I think its $350 a line - $10 a month you were with them, so I think it would be ~$420 for the 2 lines.
 
If I go to AT&T, I could get 2GB of data, unlimited talk and text and do the 'Next' thing and get 2 iPhone 6's (each would be ~$35 a month for 18 months) for a total of roughly $160 a month for 18 months, then it would drop to $90 a month.  I do have to find out how much adding that antique phone will be though.  I'd get a $200 credit for bringing the lines over.  I could trade in my wife's iPhone 4 for $200 minus $40 in a repair for the back of the phone because there is a crack, netting me $160.  The $360 would be a AT&T credit but I'd just use it on the monthly bill.
 
At the end of the day, I have to pay Verizon the $420 up front but after 3 months (when I use the AT&T credit) I'd be paying just $60 out of pocket.  After 18 months my bill drops to $90 a month saving me like $70 a month over what I am paying now.  And I get 2 new iPhones now (once they come in of course) instead of waiting 6 months for 1 line and then 14 months for the other with Verizon. 
 
I feel like this is way too good to be true and I am missing something.
 

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The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa said:
so if I am reading this correctly, if you want to keep a grandfathered AT&T unlimited plan, then this trade-in offer from AT&T does not apply?
I don't think you are reading it correctly.
 

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I've got the following phones to sell:
 
iPhone 5 16gb excellent condition
iPhone 5 16gb very good (maybe excellent, I'll have to check it when she gets home)
iPhone 5c 16gb excellent condition
iPhone 4 8gb excellent condition
iPhone 4 8gb badly cracked screen
 
I recently switched to Sprint and read that they'll take these phones paying at least $200 each (obviously, not expecting nearly that much for the cracked screen iPhone) toward account credit.  I'm leaning toward going that way right now just to avoid the hassles of eBay/Craigslist assuming I'm not going to get much more via those routes anyhow.  Is that stupid?
 
Also, I've never done the insurance thing with cellphones before, but I okay'd the addition of $11/month per line (cancel anytime) for the new iPhone 6's that will hopefully arrive on Friday.  Are there better insurance options (covering anything - loss, accident, theft, etc) that I should consider?  I'd likely only insure them for one year as I'd assume the prices will drop when the 6s comes out next summer (if the trend continues).  Is that wise?  3 of these lines are in the hands of kids (12, 14, and 18) and a clumsy wife (age withheld).
 

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Two thoughts...
 
Yaz4Ever said:
I've got the following phones to sell:
 
iPhone 5 16gb excellent condition
iPhone 5 16gb very good (maybe excellent, I'll have to check it when she gets home)
iPhone 5c 16gb excellent condition
iPhone 4 8gb excellent condition
iPhone 4 8gb badly cracked screen
 
I recently switched to Sprint and read that they'll take these phones paying at least $200 each (obviously, not expecting nearly that much for the cracked screen iPhone) toward account credit.  I'm leaning toward going that way right now just to avoid the hassles of eBay/Craigslist assuming I'm not going to get much more via those routes anyhow.  Is that stupid?
 
Also, I've never done the insurance thing with cellphones before, but I okay'd the addition of $11/month per line (cancel anytime) for the new iPhone 6's that will hopefully arrive on Friday.  Are there better insurance options (covering anything - loss, accident, theft, etc) that I should consider?  I'd likely only insure them for one year as I'd assume the prices will drop when the 6s comes out next summer (if the trend continues).  Is that wise?  3 of these lines are in the hands of kids (12, 14, and 18) and a clumsy wife (age withheld).
 
 
Two thoughts:
 
1) If you can get $200 for an iPhone 4 8gb you should jump on it, broken or not broken.
2) You might want to rethink the insurance thing.  Your paying $796 over the course of the year for insurance on 6 phones.  Is there a deductible?  Even if there isn't it might make more sense to just tell everyone that if they break their phone you'll get them a 5 or a 5s on eBay to tide them over until their next upgrade.
 

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Yaz4Ever said:
I recently switched to Sprint and read that they'll take these phones paying at least $200 each (obviously, not expecting nearly that much for the cracked screen iPhone) toward account credit.  I'm leaning toward going that way right now just to avoid the hassles of eBay/Craigslist assuming I'm not going to get much more via those routes anyhow.  Is that stupid?
 
Also, I've never done the insurance thing with cellphones before, but I okay'd the addition of $11/month per line (cancel anytime) for the new iPhone 6's that will hopefully arrive on Friday.  Are there better insurance options (covering anything - loss, accident, theft, etc) that I should consider?  I'd likely only insure them for one year as I'd assume the prices will drop when the 6s comes out next summer (if the trend continues).  Is that wise?  3 of these lines are in the hands of kids (12, 14, and 18) and a clumsy wife (age withheld).
 
 
Have you checked on the Sprint coverage?  Poor reading skills on the bolded.  How is the Sprint coverage?  I never really trust what the service providers report as their coverage, I always ask other people I know which is why I avoided AT&T a while back.  I'm considering switching and the Sprint monthly fee is pretty appealing.
 
On the insurance, I'd read the fine print.  Its my understanding that any technology insurance that you buy is a pretty big money maker for the company you are buying it from and I think its generally because the benefit you get isnt as awesome as you think.  I bought it for a camera at BestBuy once and it was presented that I would get 'full value' but that was actually 'full market value' in their opinion and after like a year when it broke I only got about half of what I paid for it.  On the phone insurance, whats the deductible / total benefit you get?  Some of them are like half off the full retail price and with some quickly googling Sprint has a benefit calculator and for the iPhone 5S with a full retail value of $650 at the $11 a month your deductible is $200 and for the 6 I'm sure that spread is a little worse.  Thats not awful, but you just dont want to have the expectation that you will get a phone for free.
 
Say you assume only 1 will be broken and you pay $44 a month to get a $450 benefit, as long as one isnt broken in 10 months you are better off just saving the money.
 

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You're better off paying $99 for applecare plus if you really want to worry about something for the phone. IT doesn't give you quite as much coverage as carrier insurance (i don't think it covers a lost/stolen phone, for one), but it covers a full two years and would cost far less than 2 years of insurance.
 
Personally I've never used insurance or applecare plus but for the clumsier/less carefull among us i think the latter probably makes sense.
 

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EddieYost said:
Two thoughts...
 
 
 
Two thoughts:
 
1) If you can get $200 for an iPhone 4 8gb you should jump on it, broken or not broken.
2) You might want to rethink the insurance thing.  Your paying $796 over the course of the year for insurance on 6 phones.  Is there a deductible?  Even if there isn't it might make more sense to just tell everyone that if they break their phone you'll get them a 5 or a 5s on eBay to tide them over until their next upgrade.
 
 
wutang112878 said:
 
 
Have you checked on the Sprint coverage?  Poor reading skills on the bolded.  How is the Sprint coverage?  I never really trust what the service providers report as their coverage, I always ask other people I know which is why I avoided AT&T a while back.  I'm considering switching and the Sprint monthly fee is pretty appealing.
 
On the insurance, I'd read the fine print.  Its my understanding that any technology insurance that you buy is a pretty big money maker for the company you are buying it from and I think its generally because the benefit you get isnt as awesome as you think.  I bought it for a camera at BestBuy once and it was presented that I would get 'full value' but that was actually 'full market value' in their opinion and after like a year when it broke I only got about half of what I paid for it.  On the phone insurance, whats the deductible / total benefit you get?  Some of them are like half off the full retail price and with some quickly googling Sprint has a benefit calculator and for the iPhone 5S with a full retail value of $650 at the $11 a month your deductible is $200 and for the 6 I'm sure that spread is a little worse.  Thats not awful, but you just dont want to have the expectation that you will get a phone for free.
 
Say you assume only 1 will be broken and you pay $44 a month to get a $450 benefit, as long as one isnt broken in 10 months you are better off just saving the money.
with respect to the Sprint coverage, according to their coverage maps I should be fine.  I posted something on Facebook asking for locals to chime in about their knowledge of Sprint coverage in our area, but only got one response - it was positive.
 
Eddie - I agree on the insurance.  I've had the 14yo lose an iPod touch when he was 11, the 12yo broke her iPhone 4 a few weeks ago, and both my wife and 18yo daughter are clumsy.  I hate to spend the money on insurance, but I also don't want a super expensive paperweight in a few months.  If Sprint offered a 1 or 2 line insurance plan that covered any one or two device replacement, I'd be all over it.  I'd feel a lot better about paying for insurance if it were $4-5/month.
 
Also Eddie - according to the Sprint Buyback page, it says any iPhone:
 
 

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Insurance is absolutely worth it for me solely in the case i lose my phone. I've said it here before but I'll happily spend the insurance premium per month knowing that it won't cost me $850 if I lose my device. Piece of mind is worth it.
 

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With iOS 8 it will record its last location when the battery gets low, so as long as it isn't with someone who is moving you should be able to find it.
 

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Just deposit $66 a month into a savings account.  Over the course of the year that should be enough to buy 2 nice but used iPhone 5s (How do I make 5s plural?).  If everyone takes care of their really expensive phone, you have a bunch of cash at the end of the year.  If the risk is really that high for family members breaking/losing there phone... maybe they don't really need the latest and greatest smartphone?  *ducks