iPhone 6 - BFD

[Silverdude2167]

All "phone" companies have planned obsolescence, it is nothing new. I think Apple is the worst because of the way they actively hold back items for future phones they could easily include, but they do a fairly good job of supporting "obsolete" devices.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

I'm not saying Apple is great at this. I'm commenting that it's a weird criticism in the mobile device arena where hardware is forced into being obsolete on a regular basis.

It's also a matter of developers making apps and deciding which platform they belong on. If a developer makes a game that utilizes features in a new device, don't complain about apple or android's old device not supporting it.

 

[SumnerH]

I'm not saying Apple is great at this. I'm commenting that it's a weird criticism in the mobile device arena where hardware is forced into being obsolete on a regular basis.

It's also a matter of developers making apps and deciding which platform they belong on. If a developer makes a game that utilizes features in a new device, don't complain about apple or android's old device not supporting it.

 
My iphone (3GS) was the only device that I felt a need to upgrade after 18 months and was limping to the finish line on a 2-year upgrade cycle; a number of common apps that didn't seem like they should need any particular hot new functionality just refused to install (independently of that it had the typical physical durability problems of iphones of that era, which I understand are greatly improved since them).
 
My previous (dumb) phone lasted 5 years; the subsequent Android lasted a bit over 2 years and I only replaced because I dropped it in a puddle and the microphones all got screwy.  Feature-wise it's still fine, I use it for games and as a mini tablet (remote control/web browsing/etc) at home.  Android developers support a wider array of phones and are less likely to make a new feature required in the first year or two after some new phones get it and more prone in general to make features optionally supported rather than required.
 
There are plenty of other things Apple does well (lots of fast app support for cool new hardware features being one of them), but longevity isn't one of their strong suits.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

I definitely think you have a point there.

I'm wondering if this new generation of phones with insane processors and screens won't suffer from the same issues. That applies to android and iOS. I think we've entered the point that upgrading for speed is pointless.

 

[canderson]

They've all about hit the end of form factor and features, really. There aren't many more "wow" factors available to any smartphone other than internal specs, better cameras, etc. I mean, it'd be amazing if the iPhone 7 had a USB port to use as a flash drive but we know that'll never ever happen.
 
The iPad Air has probably reached is peak, the next update in October will be very minor really I'd think.

 

[bowiac]

All "phone" companies have planned obsolescence, it is nothing new. I think Apple is the worst because of the way they actively hold back items for future phones they could easily include, but they do a fairly good job of supporting "obsolete" devices.

Such as?

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Such as?

Siri is a perfect example.

VoLTE to iPhone 5s is another.

I think they are by far the best at back supporting Older devices though n

 

[weeba]

Anyone know of a good 3rd party lightning to 30 pin adaptor?

 

[Oil Can Dan]

Yeah, those keyboard app servers are going to get hacked. No thanks.

Can you say more about this? What would be the point of hacking them?

 

[zenter]

Personally, I think even the 6 is too big. I've never gotten Applecare or anything like that before, but I think I have to with this, as it seems pretty certain I will destroy this phone a couple times due to semi-ungainly size.

 
A coworker brought in his new 6. It's pretty, but damn, it's bigger than my S4 and has a smaller, lower-res, screen. So I decided to do a quick compare and was kind of shocked.
 
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-6,Samsung-Galaxy-S4/phones/8346,7597?ft=2
 
As far as pure specsheet goes, iPhone 6 is comparable to a phone some 18 months older. Surely the new A8 is better and more power-efficient than my Adreno, but otherwise it's hard to tell. If this doesn't convey how much smartphone advancement has slowed, I don't know what does. More than ever, it's about the ecosystem. Everything else is details.

 

[bowiac]

The iPhone does appear to rather handily beat out any other phones in early benchmarks, but yeah, apart from some breakthroughs in waterproofing/screen cracking, it's hard to imagine what the next big selling point will be. Drastically better battery life could maybe make Siri useful, if they could transform her into an "always listening" personal assistant I guess.

 

[ScubaSteveAvery]

 
A coworker brought in his new 6. It's pretty, but damn, it's bigger than my S4 and has a smaller, lower-res, screen. So I decided to do a quick compare and was kind of shocked.
 
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-6,Samsung-Galaxy-S4/phones/8346,7597?ft=2
 
As far as pure specsheet goes, iPhone 6 is comparable to a phone some 18 months older. Surely the new A8 is better and more power-efficient than my Adreno, but otherwise it's hard to tell. If this doesn't convey how much smartphone advancement has slowed, I don't know what does. More than ever, it's about the ecosystem. Everything else is details.

 
Yep - totally agree.  Its why the endless comparison of these phones is basically pointless.  If you are in Apple's ecosystem, you buy an iPhone/iPad.  If you are in Android's ecosystem you buy the numerous Android phones and tablets available.  If you are in the Windows ecosystem you buy a Windows phone and so and so forth.  As somebody who is in the Apple ecosystem, for better or worse, all I care about is that my user experience is better moving from an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 6. If there is a better Android, why would I really care?  Outside of the just pure specs, Apple/Google/Samsung/MS are selling user experiences, which should kept in mind if comparing the devices. 

 

[Couperin47]

Anyone know of a good 3rd party lightning to 30 pin adaptor?

 
When it comes to cables, connectors etc. always think Monoprice... the prices are always good, the quality is always reliable, the only issue is shipping... it pays to bundle purchases to save on that, or wait for one of their free shipping sales... they had one that ended last week (of course).
 
http://www.monoprice.com/Search/Index?keyword=lightning

 

[uncannymanny]

Can you say more about this? What would be the point of hacking them?

Imagine how many times a day people type their credit card numbers into their phones.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

Right. And passwords. But are these third parties storing this information?

 

[uncannymanny]

"Full access allows the developer of this keyboard to transmit anything you type, including things you have previously typed with this keyboard. This could include sensitive information such as your credit card number or street address."
 
That's really enough for me to not use them. App developers (and Apple themselves) have proven that one should be very wary of any holes in the boat. You're certainly free to disagree, but I won't be surprised when a massive amount of keystroke data ends up as a torrent in a year.

 

[jayhoz]

Anyone know of a good 3rd party lightning to 30 pin adaptor?

 
There are no licensed / Apple Approved (MFi) lightning to 30 pin adapters from third party vendors.  Apple kept these to their greedy selves.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

Nm

 

[Murderer's Crow]

Benchmarks are in....wowzers. Wasn't expecting the battery stuff. 
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8559/iphone-6-and-iphone-6-plus-preliminary-results
 
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-6-benchmark-results,news-19584.html
 
http://9to5mac.com/2014/09/22/iphone-6-6-plus-beat-out-the-competition-in-performance-benchmarks/

 

[Silverdude2167]

Such as?

NFC and Wireless charging to name two off the top of my head. They are rarely first to the market with anything anymore. Part of it I am sure they want to do it very well and most of the time they do, but I also believe strongly that they want to be able to keep rolling out "innovative" changes with each yearly update.

 

[weeba]

 
When it comes to cables, connectors etc. always think Monoprice... the prices are always good, the quality is always reliable, the only issue is shipping... it pays to bundle purchases to save on that, or wait for one of their free shipping sales... they had one that ended last week (of course).
 
http://www.monoprice.com/Search/Index?keyword=lightning

 
Checked there - nothing available for a lightning to 30pin adaptor.  The Apple version is $30, and I'd prefer to stay away from that cost if I can

 

[bowiac]

NFC and Wireless charging to name two off the top of my head. They are rarely first to the market with anything anymore. Part of it I am sure they want to do it very well and most of the time they do, but I also believe strongly that they want to be able to keep rolling out "innovative" changes with each yearly update.

Neither of these looked like "holding back" to me. Apple has always been very concerned with 1) Implementation; 2) Margins. NFC has clear implementation issues, and it's still unclear right now whether they did it right. Wireless charging on the other hand would add real expense to the phone, and given their pricing structure, that expenses would come entirely out of Apple's profits. That doesn't look like "holding back" to me. 
 
NortheasternPJ's example of Siri has some truth to it though. I don't know much about VoLTE, and whether that's essentially "free" for them to add to phones. Restricting the 6 to 1GB of RAM is probably another to be honest - even high end RAM is so cheap for a buyer of Apple's volume that I imagine they're just doing it to sell the 6S.

 

[Silverdude2167]

Those are the definition of holding back, there is no reason not to have wireless charging, and ApplePay sounds cool, but they are years late to the market with it and look at the reception it received. People are treating a feature that has existed on most other phones for 2 + years (guess) as something new and revolutionary. They held it back, without it the Iphone 6 is a big screen and not much else in terms of "wow" factor.
 
I have never cared about the specs Apple puts out because as we see with the benchmarks they get the most out of their phones as the OS is built specifically for it.

 

[jayhoz]

Neither of these looked like "holding back" to me. Apple has always been very concerned with 1) Implementation; 2) Margins. NFC has clear implementation issues, and it's still unclear right now whether they did it right. Wireless charging on the other hand would add real expense to the phone, and given their pricing structure, that expenses would come entirely out of Apple's profits. That doesn't look like "holding back" to me. 
 
NortheasternPJ's example of Siri has some truth to it though. I don't know much about VoLTE, and whether that's essentially "free" for them to add to phones. Restricting the 6 to 1GB of RAM is probably another to be honest - even high end RAM is so cheap for a buyer of Apple's volume that I imagine they're just doing it to sell the 6S.

 
The minimal cost of adding wireless charging to the phone ($1-$2) would be dwarfed by the sales of chargers.  This isn't an Apple issue however.  The US carriers are fighting tooth and nail to keep the technology out of the phones so that they can sell an overpriced accessory to bring wireless charging to their customers.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

Wireless charging on the other hand would add real expense to the phone, and given their pricing structure, that expenses would come entirely out of Apple's profits.

 
 

there is no reason not to have wireless charging

 
Did you completely gloss over the "no reason"? 
 
However, how is wireless charging anything more than a boon to those too lazy take one second out of their hour to place the plug into the phone? It's also a waste of energy, as wired charging will always be more efficient than "wireless". Basically as a society we would rather burn off a bit more coal at our power plants just to save a handful of seconds during the day. 

 

[Silverdude2167]

Did you completely gloss over the "no reason"? 
 
However, how is wireless charging anything more than a boon to those too lazy take one second out of their hour to place the plug into the phone? It's also a waste of energy, as wired charging will always be more efficient than "wireless". Basically as a society we would rather burn off a bit more coal at our power plants just to save a handful of seconds during the day. 

Watch next year Apple will tout wireless charging as a new feature on the 6s and I think they can take the 1 or 2 dollar hit.
Also you are against wireless charging because it wastes energy? You must turn off your car while at at stop light or unplug all your electronics when not using them.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Those are the definition of holding back, there is no reason not to have wireless charging, and ApplePay sounds cool, but they are years late to the market with it and look at the reception it received. People are treating a feature that has existed on most other phones for 2 + years (guess) as something new and revolutionary. They held it back, without it the Iphone 6 is a big screen and not much else in terms of "wow" factor.
 

 
ApplePay is NFC + TouchID. 
 
TouchID just came out with the 5S, then was improved, better secured through software upgrades. Then a year later they add NFC.
 
How exactly did they "hold it back"? Unless by "hold it back" you mean they should have implemented it the way Google did and not have TouchID integration and require a 4 digit pin. 

 

[Silverdude2167]

 
ApplePay is NFC + TouchID. 
 
TouchID just came out with the 5S, then was improved, better secured through software upgrades. Then a year later they add NFC.
 
How exactly did they "hold it back"? Unless by "hold it back" you mean they should have implemented it the way Google did and not have TouchID integration and require a 4 digit pin. 

Yes. They could have released NFC on the 5 or 5s but waited. I stated that they like to make sure they do things well, but they were years late to the market with the technology and that was by design to sell a new phone each year.
Is the argument that Apple holds back features on their products for future years really this controversial of a statement?

 

[mt8thsw9th]

Watch next year Apple will tout wireless charging as a new feature on the 6s and I think they can take the 1 or 2 dollar hit.
Also you are against wireless charging because it wastes energy? You must turn off your car while at at stop light or unplug all your electronics when not using them.

 
No, I take it a bit further and don't own a car. That might offset not being able to always unplug my electronics, which compared to wireless charging is not even close to a 1:1 analogy, but (I really, really hope) you know this already. 
 
And I am curious about the $1-$2 bit. The component may cost that much, but there's a finite amount of space within every phone. It's not that cheap if it's taking up real estate that could be used for useful components.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

Apple pay was held because of terminal technology. In order to get merchants to sign up and use it (the most important part) they need new terminals. Merchants weren't going to foot the cost of this on their own until the new chip regulations required them to.

http://9to5mac.com/2014/09/12/why-apple-timed-things-perfectly-with-the-launch-of-apple-pay/

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Yes. They could have released NFC on the 5 or 5s but waited. I stated that they like to make sure they do things well, but they were years late to the market with the technology and that was by design to sell a new phone each year.
Is the argument that Apple holds back features on their products for future years really this controversial of a statement?

 
I think the statement is flat out false.
 
They definitely withhold features from previous generations in order to drive new sales (Siri)
 
Apple doesn't want to release half assed implementations. When they have (Siri, Apple Maps) then that person has been fired (Forstall). 
 
There's a huge difference between doing things when they do and doing, as the perceive, as the right way vs just holding it back to hold it back.
 
Do you actually believe that ApplePay was ready a year ago and they just decided not to release it so the iPhone 6 would have it? 

 

[Silverdude2167]

 
I think the statement is flat out false.
 
They definitely withhold features from previous generations in order to drive new sales (Siri)
 
Apple doesn't want to release half assed implementations. When they have (Siri, Apple Maps) then that person has been fired (Forstall). 
 
There's a huge difference between doing things when they do and doing, as the perceive, as the right way vs just holding it back to hold it back.
 
Do you actually believe that ApplePay was ready a year ago and they just decided not to release it so the iPhone 6 would have it? 

A worse version of ApplePay, yes I believe it could have been released, but maybe not based off of the previous post by crow.
NFC can be used for more than payment, it could have been in the phones that is all I am saying. People were very disappointed it was not in the 5, that tells you what you need to know about the technology.

 

[zenter]

I think the statement is flat out false.
 
They definitely withhold features from previous generations in order to drive new sales (Siri)
 
Apple doesn't want to release half assed implementations. When they have (Siri, Apple Maps) then that person has been fired (Forstall). 
 
There's a huge difference between doing things when they do and doing, as the perceive, as the right way vs just holding it back to hold it back.
 
Do you actually believe that ApplePay was ready a year ago and they just decided not to release it so the iPhone 6 would have it? 

 
It's not a mutually-exclusive thing. As people who work in the mobile payments space can tell you, the entire industry is nascent, so maybe Apple Pay will work, maybe it won't. It could be the next Google Wallet or the next credit card. No idea.
 
That is separate from NFC technology on its own. I had (and used) NFC on my Galaxy S2 (note: iPhone 4S comp). So, yeah, Apple held it back for years after it was a useful tool. And it's not the first time tech was usable on other platforms long before Apple adopted it for a very narrow purpose. I mean, there's a host of examples where Apple held back tech for whatever reason - 3G, multi-mic, LTE, voice search, larger screens, off the top of my head. This is their business decision and it worked until it didn't.
 
Apple isn't a team or a country. There's no need to get emotional about judging its decisions.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

I'm not emotional at all, I just don't think they hold things out to make the next model more attractive, which is the original debate.
 
I think they do "hold things back" because they view it as they're putting a phone as a platform and generally don't give a shit what the consumer wants (which I think is changing a bit). Screen size is the perfect example of this. They didn't want to budge since 3.5" was "perfect" according to Jobs, then they begrudgingly went to 4.0". Then they realized that the market had spoken and they had to give in in order to maintain market share. 
 
Other stuff like 3G and LTE were held out due to the battery life. They didn't want to have terrible battery life or make the phone bigger to support LTE / larger battery. Whether that's right or not, who knows. 
 
What I do think they do do wrong is always push form over function. I've said it countless times here, but I would much rather have the 6 be a the thickness of my 5S, but have a larger battery. 

 

[jayhoz]

I think it is foolish to think that Apple doesn't have a multi-year roadmap of features they plan to add to the iPhone and that some thought on how best to maximize the buzz / consumer demand for each refresh drives some of the timing.
 
That being said, there are any number of legitimate reasons to hold back technology.  NFC / Wireless charging are dead simple and relatively cheap to implement.  To date, the use cases have been marginally beneficial at best and the ecosystems to support them have yet to be sufficiently built.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

They still have held back NFC. It's only usable for ApplePay. To say they are doing this to drive sales next year can't be based on fact. Every phone sells like hot cakes and there is no indication that people are doing it for any single reason other than they want the new one.

 

[SumnerH]

Did you completely gloss over the "no reason"? 
 
However, how is wireless charging anything more than a boon to those too lazy take one second out of their hour to place the plug into the phone?=

By far the most common thing to break on my phones (and, hell, laptops as well) is the charging connector. On my iphone it was the thing that finally got so bad I had to replace the phone. Adding even 10% to the life of a phone would probably dwarf the environmental impact of the efficiency loss of charging.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

I think the 6 is too big for my liking, but I just learned that you can double-tap (note - not click but lightly tap) the home screen button and the app you're in shrinks a bit.  So for SoSH, if I want to go back to the previous screen, by lightly tapping the home screen button I can much more easily reach the top left "back" arrow with one hand.
 
Just an FYI in case others didn't know about that already.
 
Other than that I'm finding email downloads are significantly slower for me, but that may just be a me-thing.

 

[derekson]

I think the 6 is too big for my liking, but I just learned that you can double-tap (note - not click but lightly tap) the home screen button and the app you're in shrinks a bit.  So for SoSH, if I want to go back to the previous screen, by lightly tapping the home screen button I can much more easily reach the top left "back" arrow with one hand.
 
Just an FYI in case others didn't know about that already.
 
Other than that I'm finding email downloads are significantly slower for me, but that may just be a me-thing.

 
Even easier than using "Reachability" (the double tap on home) to pull the page down and hit the back button thing, you can just swipe your finger from the left edge of the screen across to the right and activate the browser's back function. This also works to go back in most apps (e.g. go from messages in Mail back to your inbox). The UI element most used near the top of the screen is the button to go back in most of these apps, and the swipe gesture mostly eliminates the need to use it.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

 
Even easier than using "Reachability" (the double tap on home) to pull the page down and hit the back button thing, you can just swipe your finger from the left edge of the screen across to the right and activate the browser's back function. This also works to go back in most apps (e.g. go from messages in Mail back to your inbox). The UI element most used near the top of the screen is the button to go back in most of these apps, and the swipe gesture mostly eliminates the need to use it.

Thanks, but that doesn't work for me in Outlook (swiping left to right marks that email as unread) and it doesn't work for me in the SoSH app (goes to previous page in that particular thread).  Does seem to work on the Facebook though.
 
Bigger issue/question for me is that I can't seem to uncheck Push for my Outlook sent folder.  The reason my phone is so slow for me on email is that it's trying to synch 8 1/2 years worth of sent emails that I don't care to have synched.  I've unchecked it manually but it doesn't stick.  Nothing on the google that I can find on how to have only my inbox on Push.  Anyone have a thought?

 

[Dan Murfman]

Lesson learned. I am getting my phone on 10/10 and also getting the $200 buyback for my iPhone 5. I put the phone up on Craigslist to see if i could get a little more. Guy offers me $200 so I figure what the heck I'll take the cash now instead waiting for Verizon to get me their debit card. Next you know he says he will PayPal me 350 and send it to his son out of the country. He wants me to send it to Nigeria. I'll wait for the Verizon money

 

[mt8thsw9th]

By far the most common thing to break on my phones (and, hell, laptops as well) is the charging connector. On my iphone it was the thing that finally got so bad I had to replace the phone. Adding even 10% to the life of a phone would probably dwarf the environmental impact of the efficiency loss of charging.

 
Just from my own experience, I haven't had a connector stop working on a phone since my LG enV. That includes two BlackBerrys (Storm and Tour), the Motorola Droid, and iPhones 4, 4S, 5, and 5S. Is refurbishing a phone really that carbon-intensive that most all phones should essentially leak power just to prevent charger connectors from potentially breaking? I would guess connector failure is exceedingly rare, anyway. Generally when a charging connection is failing is because there's dust buildup in the slot. Also, don't a good amount of Android phones come with a charge port cover anyway?
 
Now I am not implying this is Apple's motivation, but merely asking why we are so wasteful just for the sake of making something already convenient even more so. With hundreds of millions of 1440 mAh+ batteries being charged, the amount of energy being wasted adds up. I also think that this is the issue with most (relatively) nascent technologies, and I don't think there's a rush by Apple to bring it to market until it's past that extended beta stage.

 

[EddieYost]

Lesson learned. I am getting my phone on 10/10 and also getting the $200 buyback for my iPhone 5. I put the phone up on Craigslist to see if i could get a little more. Guy offers me $200 so I figure what the heck I'll take the cash now instead waiting for Verizon to get me their debit card. Next you know he says he will PayPal me 350 and send it to his son out of the country. He wants me to send it to Nigeria. I'll wait for the Verizon money

 
Just put "no scammers" in your craigslist ad next time.
 

 

[Silverdude2167]

Now I am not implying this is Apple's motivation, but merely asking why we are so wasteful just for the sake of making something already convenient even more so. With hundreds of millions of 1440 mAh+ batteries being charged, the amount of energy being wasted adds up. I also think that this is the issue with most (relatively) nascent technologies, and I don't think there's a rush by Apple to bring it to market until it's past that extended beta stage.

Honestly, trying to get my phone connected to the charger in the dark is a hard like minute of my night when I am tired and being able to just place it on a pad is so easy.
I know i should care more about waste, but I just don't, sadly.

 

[derekson]

Trying to plug in iPhones and iPads on my bedside table in the dark really sucked with the old iPod connector, but since they moved to the reversible Lightning connector is a complete nonissue. You don't even have to worry about getting it right-side up. The improvement from that to throwing it on a pad seems pretty minimal.

 

[derekson]

Thanks, but that doesn't work for me in Outlook (swiping left to right marks that email as unread) and it doesn't work for me in the SoSH app (goes to previous page in that particular thread).  Does seem to work on the Facebook though.
 
Bigger issue/question for me is that I can't seem to uncheck Push for my Outlook sent folder.  The reason my phone is so slow for me on email is that it's trying to synch 8 1/2 years worth of sent emails that I don't care to have synched.  I've unchecked it manually but it doesn't stick.  Nothing on the google that I can find on how to have only my inbox on Push.  Anyone have a thought?

 
Assuming that by "Outlook" you mean Mail, to get the back gesture you need to swipe starting off of the edge of the screen to get the back function rather than revealing the "Mark as Read/Unread" button. And yeah if you've read multiple pages in a thread you'll just get back to a previous page, obviously. The swipe from the edge is pretty universal in iOS 7 and 8 though, like going from Messages back to the list of them, or navigating back out of the hierarchical menus in Settings and such. Getting used to using it will absolutely cut down on the need to use the Reachability thing to bring the top of the screen down. 
 
Is there anyone here who used iOS 8 beta and has a sense of how much space was freed up by using the iCloud Photo Library and setting it to optimize storage on the phone rather than storing full-sized images? With the release of that feature pushed back to sometime in October, I'm just wondering what to expect.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Trying to plug in iPhones and iPads on my bedside table in the dark really sucked with the old iPod connector, but since they moved to the reversible Lightning connector is a complete nonissue. You don't even have to worry about getting it right-side up. The improvement from that to throwing it on a pad seems pretty minimal.

 
I agree. It's really a non-issue.
 
The exposed contacts on the lightning connector suck ass though. I'm now on my 3rd car phone charger in a year because of corrosion of the contacts. Due to it being a car charger, it'll sometimes get condensation on it in the winter, come in contact with a can in the cup holder etc. Looking at mine again today 2 connections are completely corroded. It still charges at the moment. 

 

[Murderer's Crow]

 
I agree. It's really a non-issue.
 
The exposed contacts on the lightning connector suck ass though. I'm now on my 3rd car phone charger in a year because of corrosion of the contacts. Due to it being a car charger, it'll sometimes get condensation on it in the winter, come in contact with a can in the cup holder etc. Looking at mine again today 2 connections are completely corroded. It still charges at the moment. 

Bring it to the Apple Store, say the phone was getting hot with the charger and the charger looks shot, they'll give you a new one.

I've gotten multiple new head phones and chargers from them for fairly basic issues.

 

[jayhoz]

Not that you should have to, but wouldn't some fine grit sand paper clean the contacts right up?

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Bring it to the Apple Store, say the phone was getting hot with the charger and the charger looks shot, they'll give you a new one.

I've gotten multiple new head phones and chargers from them for fairly basic issues.

 
Unfortunately it's a car charger, which apple doesn't make so it's a "Made for iPhone" approved accessory. The last were Verizon ones and they said tough shit, imagine Verizon saying that?
 
jayhoz, I tried that with the last one and it didn't charge. I may do it, or i may do this time a qtip with rubbing alcohol. It used to work on my NES carts.