It never gets old - reflections on Oct 17-20, 2004

ToeKneeArmAss

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With NESN replaying the last four games of the 2004 ALCS, lots of us have been re-living those magical days. I wrote a blog post about the less-celebrated yet critical moments of those games.

It feels a little foolish to spend time writing about an event about which everything has already been written. It's really intended more as a keepsake and a way to preserve and share the thoughts and feelings I experience each time I re-watch those games. In case you might want to compare memories, you can read it here: https://bit.ly/2SBCxqX
 
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It's interesting you should start this thread on this day. I broke out the DVD collection of the ALCS and World Series of 2004 over the weekend and was doing the exact same thing, noting little moments I had forgotten or not noticed previously. Good to see you back TKAA. It's been a while.

I caught many of those you mention in game 4 but I'm still on game 5 so I stopped reading...
 

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Great stuff. Is the archive of the dueling SoSH / NYYFans gamethreads still around somewhere? That was always a beloved companion to those games.
 

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Great stuff. Is the archive of the dueling SoSH / NYYFans gamethreads still around somewhere? That was always a beloved companion to those games.
This is it I believe. I don't know who owns that site but someone should be in touch with that guy in case he ever decides to stop hosting that site so the history doesn't go *poof*.
 

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in retrospect the series was over after game 5 if i was torre after game 4 wouild had threw out my worse arms for game 5 even for game 6 as well the series was won after game 5 because torre used all he had to win game 4 and 5 and schilling was a all timer in game 6 by game 7 the yanks was on fumes and walked dead
 

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I’m still amazed that Torre left Brown in for Cabrera, he was cooked. There was like 1 decent pitch in that entire at bat.
 

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Watching Game 7 now.....Yankees tried to pull out all of the flexes of The Curse including bringing out Bucky Dent to throw the first pitch of Game 7.
I remember a classic comment on SOSH the day after game 7. (paraphrase) Who thought it was a good idea to have Bucky Dent's father throw out the first pitch?
 

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I’m still amazed when I look at Brown’s career stats and remember that he was a frequent All-Star, even a borderline HoFer, comparable to Schilling. Because my lasting image of him is walking off that Game 7 field, thoroughly dominated and defeated.
 

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I’m still amazed when I look at Brown’s career stats and remember that he was a frequent All-Star, even a borderline HoFer, comparable to Schilling. Because my lasting image of him is walking off that Game 7 field, thoroughly dominated and defeated.
In that series: 2 GS, 3.1 IP, 9H, 4BB, 2HRs and a 21.60 ERA.

He was so bad as to be comical. In the history of post-season baseball, you wonder if there were ever 2 games started with performance this bad.
 

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I’m still amazed when I look at Brown’s career stats and remember that he was a frequent All-Star, even a borderline HoFer, comparable to Schilling. Because my lasting image of him is walking off that Game 7 field, thoroughly dominated and defeated.
Didn’t he try to quit baseball in the middle of a game during the regular season, and Torre had to talk him off the ledge?
 

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He punched the clubhouse wall with his non-pitching hand in September of that year and broke two bones.
 

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If I were torre, I would have bunted in game 6.
I was expecting this to be the plan.... and was perpetually in shock when it never happened. I was watching this game at my local pub in Brooklyn- mix of good natured Yankee and Sox fans (and Yankee hating Mets fans) and EVERYONE there was asking the same question every time any MFY batter was up. Did Torre think it was unpolite or something?
 

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What was the single moment where it changed? What was the single moment where the tides shifted from, "It's going to go tits up at some point" to "we're winning this f%&#ing game"?

It wasn't until the beginning of Game 7 that I allowed myself to even briefly think the Sox might complete the comeback. Up until that point it was "just don't get swept" or "just don't lose in Boston"

Flash forward a decade and I knew, deep down I knew, that the Pats were coming back from 28-3. And even though I was biting my nails watching Kimbrel struggle in Game 4, I knew they were going to rip the Yankees' hearts out.

So now I look back and I wonder, where did that paradigm shift? Part of me thinks it was Ortiz's first inning home run in Game 7. The Yankees had a bit of momentum going with throwing Damon out at home, and immediately Ortiz shuts it down
 

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What was the single moment where it changed? What was the single moment where the tides shifted from, "It's going to go tits up at some point" to "we're winning this f%&#ing game"?

It wasn't until the beginning of Game 7 that I allowed myself to even briefly think the Sox might complete the comeback. Up until that point it was "just don't get swept" or "just don't lose in Boston"

Flash forward a decade and I knew, deep down I knew, that the Pats were coming back from 28-3. And even though I was biting my nails watching Kimbrel struggle in Game 4, I knew they were going to rip the Yankees' hearts out.

So now I look back and I wonder, where did that paradigm shift? Part of me thinks it was Ortiz's first inning home run in Game 7. The Yankees had a bit of momentum going with throwing Damon out at home, and immediately Ortiz shuts it down
It's a tough question. I think the biggest play of the entire series may have been Trot's single in the 8th inning of game 5. The Sox were still in a position to lose the series until that hit. Once the Sox had the tying run on 3rd with no outs, even against Rivera, it felt like the tide had turned.
 

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You showed the line drive in Game 5 that Nixon caught off the bat of Matsui.

That always reminds me of Grady leaving Pedro out there to face Matsui in Game 7, Inning 8, 2003. Same result, really, in terms of the batter/pitcher. Hard hit ball to right field. But, unlike a year later, the ball doesn't find Nixon's glove.
 

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I have some personal reflections of that series as well. For the middle games my wife was on a work trip in Chicago and my youngest son was ~18 month old at the time. I remember trying to put him to bed in the crib and him wailing away and I had to keep running back and forth from the TV to his room; my hazy memories are watching the home half of the extra innings in Games 4 and 5 holding and rocking him, trying to get him to sleep then moving him to the crib during the MFY at bats, until he started wailing again.

Then my wife returned before game 6 or 7 with a gift for the kids of a plastic plate and cup setting with the Cubs logo. I remember thinking, “You are bringing THAT into OUR house in the middle of ALL THIS?? It could’ve ended in divorce if the series went differently.
 

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What was the single moment where it changed? What was the single moment where the tides shifted from, "It's going to go tits up at some point" to "we're winning this f%&#ing game"?
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So now I look back and I wonder, where did that paradigm shift? Part of me thinks it was Ortiz's first inning home run in Game 7. The Yankees had a bit of momentum going with throwing Damon out at home, and immediately Ortiz shuts it down
Similar for me. We’d been burned too many times, defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. But I think I really started to think, “Holy shit, we’re doing this!” when Damon hit the granny.
 

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What was the single moment where it changed? What was the single moment where the tides shifted from, "It's going to go tits up at some point" to "we're winning this f%&#ing game"?

It wasn't until the beginning of Game 7 that I allowed myself to even briefly think the Sox might complete the comeback. Up until that point it was "just don't get swept" or "just don't lose in Boston"

Flash forward a decade and I knew, deep down I knew, that the Pats were coming back from 28-3. And even though I was biting my nails watching Kimbrel struggle in Game 4, I knew they were going to rip the Yankees' hearts out.

So now I look back and I wonder, where did that paradigm shift? Part of me thinks it was Ortiz's first inning home run in Game 7. The Yankees had a bit of momentum going with throwing Damon out at home, and immediately Ortiz shuts it down
Might be cliche, but I'd say when they ruled Arod out on the slap play. That never happened back in those days (but did twice that night) and I started to believe maybe they would come back. I felt the Yankee fans were cracking when they littered the field with crap later in that inning, it was as if the fans and the team was staring into the abyss and they couldn't believe it. Of course all of that could've been erased by Tony Clark in the 9th, but alas Foulke fanned him and the rest is history.

Nothing will ever compare to those four days, the stars aligned for the most perfect event in the history of sports and it just happened to be our team.
 

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Good thing the brain trust went with this fat guy from the Twins over Jeremy Giambi in spite of his paternally Large strike zone. Great pickup. Every thing he does after this is gravy.
 

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Thanks for the comments and shared memories. The videos with the WEEI overlay of games 4-7 are so much more enjoyable than the Fox coverage. That said, I'd pay a lot for HD versions. I wonder why you can't find them for sale on disc?
 
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You know, it was a nice little comeback there to start the 9th, but that was a huge squander, 1st and 3rd with one out. Cabrera with a brutal K. Bases loaded for Ortiz. And Rivera gets him for the 2d time in the game. Blech.
 

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Similar for me. We’d been burned too many times, defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. But I think I really started to think, “Holy shit, we’re doing this!” when Damon hit the granny.
Yeah thinking back on it, that was the moment where I thought, "Holy shit, we actually might do it!" I think I was still jaded from the year before because I wanted a bigger lead. But where 2003 saw Mussina shut them down, 2004 saw Javier let them blow it open
 

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Damon's slam was the "this is really happening" moment

Didn't realize Pedro was hitting 95 and 96 - I only remember him struggling

What Yankee employee idiot played "New York, New York" at the end of the game while the Sox were celebrating?!

Great moment when John Henry and Theo hugged - and they both looked so young
 

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Espn showed Game 4 and from midnight to 1 they are showing the 30 for 30, Four Days in October. I never get tired of that one. It's not the best but it's my favorite. Bias of course. The best one I believe is Survive and Advance- about the 1983 NC State team coached by Jimmy V.
 

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Damon's slam was the "this is really happening" moment

Didn't realize Pedro was hitting 95 and 96 - I only remember him struggling

What Yankee employee idiot played "New York, New York" at the end of the game while the Sox were celebrating?!

Great moment when John Henry and Theo hugged - and they both looked so young
And at the end of game 6 they played Liza Minnelli's version, lol. Remember that?
 
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I’ve never had a more abrupt change of emotions then when Damon was called out at home followed by the first-pitch Ortiz HR in Game 7. Went from “FUCK not again” to “FUCK YES WE’RE DOING THIS”.

PS - Damon was safe.
 

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What was Trot Nixons moment?

And at that moment tim mcCarver says this game favors the Yankees due to depth.
Speaking of Trot, everybody talks about Mueller's tying hit in Game 4 but not many people talk about Trot's clutch hit in game 5 that sent Roberts from 1st to 3rd. Then a Sac fly tied it, but if it wasn't for Trot's hit???
 
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Game 5 was so much more terrifying than Game 4, I remember being 100% convinced that they were going to lose the ALCS on a player rounding the bases on 4 passed balls in the 13th because Tek couldn't figure out how to catch a knuckleball.
 

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It's a tough question. I think the biggest play of the entire series may have been Trot's single in the 8th inning of game 5. The Sox were still in a position to lose the series until that hit. Once the Sox had the tying run on 3rd with no outs, even against Rivera, it felt like the tide had turned.
Thanks i just posted about that. I didn't see your post yet before I posted. Agree that hit was huge.
 

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Espn showed Game 4 and from midnight to 1 they are showing the 30 for 30, Four Days in October. I never get tired of that one. It's not the best but it's my favorite. Bias of course. The best one I believe is Survive and Advance- about the 1983 NC State team coached by Jimmy V.
quite a time switching back and forth from WS game 1 to ALCS game 4. At one point, Embree came in to pitch oin both games at the exact same time!. Anybody have an idea why all of NESN's rebroadcasts were/are in 4:3 SD (with the NESN bars down the side), but ESPNs of Game 4 last night was wide HD?
 

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It's interesting to see how much pitching has changed in the last 15 years, and in particular relief pitching. I'm not sure either team had one guy that could hit the upper 90's, and now those pitchers are a dime a dozen in MLB bullpens.
 

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When the Slappy play got overturned, that's when I thought it might be real. We never had stuff like that break our way against the MFY before.
 

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quite a time switching back and forth from WS game 1 to ALCS game 4. At one point, Embree came in to pitch oin both games at the exact same time!. Anybody have an idea why all of NESN's rebroadcasts were/are in 4:3 SD (with the NESN bars down the side), but ESPNs of Game 4 last night was wide HD?
Fox has been stingy with the HD broadcast footage. First time I ever saw it was when they replayed a couple of the games a few weeks ago. I'm surprised ESPN was able to obtain it.

Or maybe Fox charges more for the HD and NESN is notoriously cheap. They re-aired a game a couple weeks ago from 2005-2006ish in which DO read a promo that the game was broadcast in HD "where available" yet the replay was airing in SD format. In other words, they had to have had HD footage but weren't using it.
 

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What Yankee employee idiot played "New York, New York" at the end of the game while the Sox were celebrating?!
When they started playing that song and the Sox were piling on each other, McCarver said "Start Spreading The News" in a very subdued tone.

A small fringe benefit of 2004- getting to knock off McCarver's Yanks and Cardinals in the same playoffs!