It’s Way Past Time for John Sterling to Retire

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Only the ones who are Yankee fans. Met fans can't even pretend to be smug.
and Giants fans.. who have a lot of overlap with Yankees fans. Mets and Jets fans have an inferiority complex.

I do feel like Yankees fans have become more bearable with time and the Red Sox winning several world series. When I moved to NYC in 2003 they were still chanting '1918'.. by the time I left in 2018 there were a lot more Red Sox hats around town and didn't seem to get much anger for it anymore.
 

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Suzyn paid her dues as Yankees reporter for WFAN. To mock her voice seems sexist to me.
No, it's not. She has an annoying voice and it's not because she's a woman. Some men have annoying voices too. There are plenty of women who have great voices but she ain't one of them. No one is making fun of all women's voices or saying that no woman should be in the booth- just her.
 

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and Giants fans.. who have a lot of overlap with Yankees fans. Mets and Jets fans have an inferiority complex.

I do feel like Yankees fans have become more bearable with time and the Red Sox winning several world series. When I moved to NYC in 2003 they were still chanting '1918'.. by the time I left in 2018 there were a lot more Red Sox hats around town and didn't seem to get much anger for it anymore.
This is definitely true. When I moved here I would never wear a Sox hat in public. Now I do all the time and I get more positive comments than negative.
 

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Suzyn paid her dues as Yankees reporter for WFAN. To mock her voice seems sexist to me.
I can’t help but laugh that Yankees fans have had to listen to her Boston accent for so many years. I always wonder while listening to her how long would a Red Sox radio personality last with a thick New York accent. The outrage would have powered half of New England.
 

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No, it's not. She has an annoying voice and it's not because she's a woman. Some men have annoying voices too. There are plenty of women who have great voices but she ain't one of them. No one is making fun of all women's voices or saying that no woman should be in the booth- just her.
Yeah, I mean Suzyn yelling "Roger Clemens is in George's box" is an all-time clip and it has nothing to do with sexism. Really weird take to say that it does.
 

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He is 83 and has been calling the Yankees on the radio since 1989, I seriously think he has been awful that entire time but maybe I wasn't paying much attention in the early part of his run.
He has always been terrible. I worked with a Yankee fan in 1996-1997 and we were having the same conversation about his mistakes.

His voice is good. He just can’t see and or process what he is seeing.
 
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Yeah, I mean Suzyn yelling "Roger Clemens is in George's box" is an all-time clip and it has nothing to do with sexism. Really weird take to say that it does.
Somebody starts a thread about Sterling retiring and suddenly it becomes about Suzyn. That’s what bothers me.
 

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The one thing I think you can say about Sterling is that he VERY often compliments other teams.. he's over the top on the Yanks and obviously a company man, but he very regularly talks in glowing terms about how good other players from other teams are.
This is absolutely true. Several times I heard him compliment an opponent by comparing their effort on a particular play to something you might see from Jeter, which is really as glowing as you can get.

ed by several I probably mean two, but given how rarely I listened he must have done that a lot.
 

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Has he ever not been completely terrible? He has been since I can remember, he only has the job because his voice sounds good.
You're right about his voice. For me, the short list of the best broadcast voices ever includes Sterling and Gil Santos, along with Vin Scully and prime Dick Stockton. I actually think Dave O'Brien has a great broadcast voice too, but he's too dull.
 

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The duet of Ned Martin’s silky soothing voice and JIm Woods’ gravel, lIke Sinatra and Crosby, was sublime. Sterling and Waldman, not so much, but Sterling and Charlie Steiner were a great combo with respect to voices.
 

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My only problem with Suzyn is she was born in Newton and somehow became a huge Yankees fan.
I recall that Suzyn was a dues paying member of BLOHARD (Benevolent Loyal Order of Honorable and Ancient Red Sox
Die-hards) and at one time had a dog, Fenway.

Suzyn was seduced by the dark side.

She and Sterling are a harmless and enthusiastic elderly couple enjoying the game in their golden years.
Who cares if Sterling misses a couple of calls a game, its corrected within a second or so, by Suzyn gently chiding her partner.

MFY listeners know by now, to wait a beat before celebrating and scoring a Stantonian F-7 rather than as a Sterling called round-tripper.
 

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To me, Sterling and Waldman seem to genuinely get along and enjoy the games. There are so many worse.
This is true. And I think it's what makes Castig still listenable. They enjoy it.

As I said earlier, I kind of like their banter. Maybe a just a hint of Nick and Nora Charles from the old Thin Man movies, if they called baseball games instead of solving murders.
It is well past time, but I'll be a little sad when either or both of them go. Just another reminder that I'm getting old too
It's funny that you mention that. I listen to parts of a few dozen NYY games every year, and one thing I noticed lately is that it seemed like they weren't talking *to* each other. They each did their jobs, but there was a lack of back-and-forth. Small sample size, perhaps.
As for missing them, I get it. For better, worse, or indifference, they are part of the fabric. As were Lindsey Nelson's sports coats (which appeared to be technicolor even on a black-and-white TV) and Ralph Kiner's malaprops part of my youth.

Two thoughts regarding Suzyn: One, I would love to know who interviewed her and said, "this is the voice, I want for Yankees baseball" I cant believe that she got the gig with that voice, however,
I dont think her voice is any "worse" than Remy's was.
 

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She and Sterling are a harmless and enthusiastic elderly couple enjoying the game in their golden years.
Who cares if Sterling misses a couple of calls a game, its corrected within a second or so, by Suzyn gently chiding her partner.

MFY listeners know by now, to wait a beat before celebrating and scoring a Stantonian F-7 rather than as a Sterling called round-tripper.
I kind of agree, which is why I reluctantly started the thread.

As I said to a (Yankee fan) friend of mine, the difference between someone like Kay and Sterling is that Sterling doesn't have a sharp partisan edge to him. Don't get me wrong, he openly roots for the Yankees. But, he's mostly a fan of the game and is very complimentary about opposing players/teams.

I think that his vision is so bad that he broadcasts the game while watching the monitor, which means that when Stanton connects and acts like it's gone, Sterling automatically goes into his home run shtick. The wall-scraper from Fenway last October was mostly amusing, but to miss a fly ball where the outfielder is camped under it well short of the fence tells me that he simply can't follow the game on the field any more.

He's not going to be pushed out for the reasons many have cited, but they'll start cutting him back and he'll probably be gone at the end of this year or next.
 

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On Suzyn, I can never forget the below call. Just unbelievable with that voice.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV3NhT0oXzY
Yeah that was a shining moment of preposterous overstatement.

He ended up going .500 for them and their season went up in a cloud of larval flies.

EDIT: and to be clear, while Waldman's over-enthusiastic call is the key moment, it's difficult to appreciate in isolation how absurd the spectacle was in real time. Clemens had been approached by Boston to come back and (for real this time) end his career on a winning Red Sox team, to mend fences, to set right what had gone wrong with him and the city. He said he'd think about it. And then he pulled this stunt where he walked out and showed his NY World Series ring or something to the crowd and everyone at the stadium (Waldman included) lost their collective mind. And, to be fair, it might have been a great moment if it wasn't a 44 year old Rocket we were talking about who, it turns out, was merely a slightly-above-average pitcher for half a season in the AL East at that point. But I also don't recall being upset by it as a Red Sox fan; it was more like "Why did I get suckered into giving a shit about this guy again?"
 
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I just came across this piece in Vice on the Waldman Clemens event and … I left it with quite a bit of respect for her.

When Waldman was on the Yankees beat for WFAN in the station's early days, Steinbrenner refused to talk to her; she was not invited to the annual lunch that the team held for beat writers at Manhattan's 21 Club. "Waldman sent an overnight letter to Steinbrenner at his office in Tampa," John Solomon wrote in Sports Illustrated in 1997. "She pointed out that more people heard her daily reports on the highly rated Mike and the Mad Dog show than read the local sports pages, and she included a breakdown of the advertising rates the station received for her spots. 'I'm coming down to Tampa next Wednesday, and I expect an interview,' the missive concluded."

Steinbrenner gave Waldman the interview, against what he considered to be his better judgment. "I like my women to spend my money and look real pretty," Waldman recalled Steinbrenner saying to her. "I don't like them to be pilots, policemen or sports reporters." During her years covering the team, Waldman's relationship with Steinbrenner was as good as any relationship with Steinbrenner could be, which is to say that it whipsawed between sentimental largesse and wild roaring cruelty depending entirely upon the moods of one of the moodiest manchildren in sports history.

Steinbrenner bullied Waldman to tears, then receded to more acceptable levels of boorishness days later. In the peculiar ways in which Steinbrenner was loyal, though, he was loyal to Waldman, and if she was never quite safe from the blasting unmanned firehose of Steinbrenner's personal cruelty and sexism, he worked to protect her from the cruelty and sexism of others; when she received death threats from Yankee fans in 1989, Steinbrenner hired Waldman a plainclothes security detail. In 2012, Waldman told Adweek that Steinbrenner was "as important a human being in my life as anybody, except my family." The Yankees hired her as the color commentator for the team's WCBS radio broadcasts in 2005.
The piece also captures what I feel about the kind of people they tend to hire and stick with:

The Yankees radio broadcast team is, in a way that is not always charming, a throwback to the ramshackle monomania of George Steinbrenner's years, when the Yankees were defined by both their swinging-dick grandiosity and incessant petty internecine office bullshit. The people that lasted, in that organization, were not necessarily the best or the brightest. They were the ones who truly believed—who saw Steinbrenner not as a world-historic butthead but a passionate man of vision, and who put up with his shit because the mystique and majesty of the franchise made it worth it. Caring about any team is a matter of faith, but the people that rose and stuck in the Yankees culture had to believe in a way that canceled out the ugliness and stupidity roiling around them.
 

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I never had anything against Sterling, but I think he should have stopped doing play-by-play a while ago. I genuinely felt bad for his last year with this call when he said "What did I do wrong? What did I see wrong? (Note: Matt Vasgersian on TV also thought it was going to be a homer but recovered quicker).



His pipes are still great. I think what they should have done was make him the PA announcer when Bob Sheppard died. It would have been a good way for him to use his best asset, his voice, without having to follow the play.
 

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His pipes are still great. I think what they should have done was make him the PA announcer when Bob Sheppard died. It would have been a good way for him to use his best asset, his voice, without having to follow the play.
THAT is a great idea.And it keeps him involved, which seems to be quite important to him.
 

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Not a great idea for current times. Send him out to pasture.

Paul Olden’ has been doing the PA at the New Toilet for 13 years and is a good dude.

I’ve been a couple of group bike rides on the Pinellas Trail with him. He’s a fitness freak!

I think he also does spring training games at the Tampa Toilet.
 

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Last fall I was playing golf with a buddy in the Bronx and we got paired up with Paul Olden and a friend of his. Very nice guy.
 

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He really has to go. He's failing at his main purpose, which is to announce what is happening on the field.

"Why is he waiting?"

"Because Stanton caught the ball."
 

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Stanton certainly nonchalanted enough, especially after he fell down against the wall, for it to be plausible he didn't catch it. That was apparently enough for Sterling to be convinced the ball went over the fence. Still doesn't excuse rushing into making the HR call when it wasn't 100% clear so that he totally missed Stanton pulling the ball from his glove and tossing it back to the infield.

Also, pet peeve of mine not entirely related to Sterling, but Stanton did not rob a HR there. A lot of announcers make the mistake of calling catches like that as robbing a HR when it really isn't. Not every leaping catch at the wall = robbing a HR. His glove never crested the top of the wall. Unless the ball caromed off his glove, the ball was not likely to make it over the wall. It was a nice leaping catch. That's it.
 

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I was watching on TV and it seemed pretty clear he caught it live. Sterling has been botching calls (not just HRs) for many years though, no one seems to care.
 

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This is great. I love the little appetizer to the main course of Sterling missing the call: him saying "I don't do a lot of stats" right before the pitch.
 

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I get not making the right call in the moment. What is really odd is how he consistently needs someone else to jump in to let him know. If he just kept watching it should be obvious he made a mistake and quickly correct it. What is he looking at if not the field?
 

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The false and made up "he didn't throw it in," to try to rationalize getting it wrong, is also precious.
 

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Also, pet peeve of mine not entirely related to Sterling, but Stanton did not rob a HR there. A lot of announcers make the mistake of calling catches like that as robbing a HR when it really isn't. Not every leaping catch at the wall = robbing a HR. His glove never crested the top of the wall. Unless the ball caromed off his glove, the ball was not likely to make it over the wall. It was a nice leaping catch. That's it.
Sterling actually did correct himself on that part of it a few seconds later, which just makes the "he never threw it back in" cover-up even stranger.
 

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I get not making the right call in the moment. What is really odd is how he consistently needs someone else to jump in to let him know. If he just kept watching it should be obvious he made a mistake and quickly correct it. What is he looking at if not the field?
Seriously. Is he watching the game on a ouija board?

This really shouldn't be that hard.
 

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What is really odd is how he consistently needs someone else to jump in to let him know. If he just kept watching it should be obvious he made a mistake and quickly correct it. What is he looking at if not the field?
Think this is the bigger issue. If he immediately corrected himself "Oh wait, it was caught!" it wouldn't be such a big deal. But the constant awkward pause for some time before being softly corrected by Susan or someone in his ear is weird.
 

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Think this is the bigger issue. If he immediately corrected himself "Oh wait, it was caught!" it wouldn't be such a big deal. But the constant awkward pause for some time before being softly corrected by Susan or someone in his ear is weird.
Maybe he is keeping score by hand and immediately looks down at his sheet?
 

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I’m obviously not a Yankee fan and as such I’m not a Sterling guy but I feel bad for the guy, I really do. The guy still has a great set of pipes but it seems like it’s time to go.

And that’s too bad. I don’t like seeing age creep up on a person, even if the guy is a Yankee announcer.I hope the parting is amicable.
 

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Getting old sucks but Sterling has been horrendous at his job for decades.
 

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Are those guys in Toronto or watching it in NYC? Something about the audio mixed w/the crowd noise almost seems remote.

Definitely not the case for the blown call in the home game a couple weeks ago.
 

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I’m obviously not a Yankee fan and as such I’m not a Sterling guy but I feel bad for the guy, I really do. The guy still has a great set of pipes but it seems like it’s time to go.

And that’s too bad. I don’t like seeing age creep up on a person, even if the guy is a Yankee announcer.I hope the parting is amicable.
I work in architecture (building construction - not software) and over 20 years can't tell you how many old guys I've seen insist on dragging themselves into the office every day in their late 60's/ 70's when their abilities were long past them. Ownership would gently look the other way and others would occasionally prod "Why not just retire?" and the answer would almost always come back as some form of "And do what? Go home to die?"

Without fail, they are pulled aside and quietly told that they're done, followed by a firm gathering "congratulating" them on their retirements.

My dad told me a story once about how after his father retired he remarked that he didn't know how he ever had the time to go to work. Avid fishermen, etc. Seems like an easy choice.
 

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His age is not the (main) problem. He has been terrible, making similar mistakes, since the day he joined the Yankees. He can’t see and/or can’t process what he is seeing. It may have become slightly worse, but he has been like this for decades.
 

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I work in architecture (building construction - not software) and over 20 years can't tell you how many old guys I've seen insist on dragging themselves into the office every day in their late 60's/ 70's when their abilities were long past them. Ownership would gently look the other way and others would occasionally prod "Why not just retire?" and the answer would almost always come back as some form of "And do what? Go home to die?"

Without fail, they are pulled aside and quietly told that they're done, followed by a firm gathering "congratulating" them on their retirements.

My dad told me a story once about how after his father retired he remarked that he didn't know how he ever had the time to go to work. Avid fishermen, etc. Seems like an easy choice.
People in their late 60s shouldn't be in steep decline; if they are not doing as well as they used to it's probably a combination of things (not giving as much of a shit anymore being chief among them). If their performance starts to suck, the conversation needs to be about that. Make it a practice to tell old people "It's time to retire" and await the inevitable age discrimination claims roll in.

John Sterling sucks at his job because he sucks at his job. Being old is beside the point except to the extent YES might want to cut him some slack due to the length of his tenure.
 

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As much as I consider listening to him and Suzyn a sort of guilty pleasure, this has always stuck in my craw about Sterling.

It's not as if it would come as a surprise that he's not enlightened about modern statistics. You can tell that by listening to any random inning. But imagine being such an asshole to one of the original baseball nerds that Michael Freakin' Kay has to apologize on your behalf. Not great, John.
 

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As much as I consider listening to him and Suzyn a sort of guilty pleasure, this has always stuck in my craw about Sterling.

It's not as if it would come as a surprise that he's not enlightened about modern statistics. You can tell that by listening to any random inning. But imagine being such an asshole to one of the original baseball nerds that Michael Freakin' Kay has to apologize on your behalf. Not great, John.
Be great if someone could track that interview down (the one with Neyer and Sterling)
 

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I’m obviously not a Yankee fan and as such I’m not a Sterling guy but I feel bad for the guy, I really do. The guy still has a great set of pipes but it seems like it’s time to go.

And that’s too bad. I don’t like seeing age creep up on a person, even if the guy is a Yankee announcer.I hope the parting is amicable.
This pretty much sums up how I feel. Living in western MA, near the New York border there would be times when I might be traveling (pre Sirius XM) and the Yankee broadcast might be all that I could pick up in my truck. Sterling has such a classic voice, but I never liked him and Suzyn as a broadcast team. I think him saying that Stanton never threw the ball in gets lost a bit on the majority of fans as this is a radio broadcast. Perhaps better stated by saying something akin to, "Between the great catch and the slight delay on showing the ball, he certainly had me fooled.", but he worked his way out of it as best as he could in the moment.
 

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Again, it’s not just home runs he botches and he’s been terrible for a long time. Once in a while I will listen to an inning or two on the radio in the shower and then watch the same inning or two on TV, and the degree to which he creates an alternate reality (for a baseball game! There aren’t that many ways to poorly report reality.) is truly remarkable. His voice may be good but if it was a meritocracy, he would have been fired or sent to do AA games literally decades ago. This is not a story about how age takes its toll on us all.
 

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Again, it’s not just home runs he botches and he’s been terrible for a long time. Once in a while I will listen to an inning or two on the radio in the shower and then watch the same inning or two on TV, and the degree to which he creates an alternate reality (for a baseball game! There aren’t that many ways to poorly report reality.) is truly remarkable. His voice may be good but if it was a meritocracy, he would have been fired or sent to do AA games literally decades ago. This is not a story about how age takes its toll on us all.
No one is doubting or arguing with you. Some people just feel bad that a guy who was pretty good at his job isn't good any more.