Jabrill Peppers arrested for assault

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Probably house surveillance cameras. Just have to wait and see. If I’m him and I’m innocent and this is just a cash grab situation I’m immediately showing the Pats the video. To keep my job and prove my innocence. But i expect he’s gonna be gone by the end of the day.
 

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If video/medical evidence exists, that will have to be sorted out later, but the cocaine part seems like a problem as a baseline. We'll have to see, but he's probably done here either way, at least for the season.
 

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If video/medical evidence exists, that will have to be sorted out later, but the cocaine part seems like a problem as a baseline. We'll have to see, but he's probably done here either way, at least for the season.
Hard to figure out what if any punishment there would be for cocaine... if he failed a test it would be nothing except going into the program, not clear if an arrest for possession is different. PEDs are basically the only drugs the NFL suspends for now.
 

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IANAL, but is there something in those statements that stipulates cocaine? In the first couple posts, it said "Class B substance" which could include oxy, which would certainly make sense in terms of medical necessity. OTOT I assume that Oxy is not considered "Class B" if one has a prescription?
 

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IANAL, but is there something in those statements that stipulates cocaine? In the first couple posts, it said "Class B substance" which could include oxy, which would certainly make sense in terms of medical necessity. OTOT I assume that Oxy is not considered "Class B" if one has a prescription?
Apparently it was specified as cocaine elsewhere
 
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Well, for one thing, "allegedly" is a word with a specific meaning.
Not sure what that has to do with anything other than scratching your itch to be snarky

Dillon allegedly beat his wife and settled out of court (community service, donating to battered women’s shelter, period of no contact with the wife)

Peppers allegedly choked his girlfriend and threw her down a flight of stairs

The person I was commenting to said Dillon and Peppers’ situations were “vastly different” when I pointed out that the Krafts did actually overlook a DV

I am not seeing how they are vastly different cases at this point.
 

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Not sure what that has to do with anything other than scratching your itch to be snarky

Dillon allegedly beat his wife and settled out of court (community service, donating to battered women’s shelter, period of no contact with the wife)

Peppers allegedly choked his girlfriend and threw her down a flight of stairs

The person I was commenting to said Dillon and Peppers’ situations were “vastly different” when I pointed out that the Krafts did actually overlook a DV

I am not seeing how they are vastly different cases at this point.
Because - to me at least - "community service, donating to battered women’s shelter, period of no contact with the wife" pretty much means the "allegation" was true.

If something like that is the outcome here, I truly hope Peppers never suits up for the NEP again. But again, "alleged."

If your point was simply that the actions of Dillon and the ALLEGED actions of Peppers are not vastly different, I 100% agree. But you included "alleged" in your post, and to me, that is enough to make the 2 situations vastly different based on what we know right now.
 

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If video/medical evidence exists, that will have to be sorted out later, but the cocaine part seems like a problem as a baseline. We'll have to see, but he's probably done here either way, at least for the season.
Do people really consider cocaine use that much of a problem in the sense that it could cause the player to be cut?

Maybe it's my own personal opinion, but I really don't care too much about recreational drug use by professional athletes. Too me there's more of a litmus test of stupidity that causes players to get caught for it (make sure you've got your fall guy!) and I'm more annoyed at how this is likely impacted his performance early Sunday afternoon when he's up into the early hours on Saturday morning doing a stimulant.

Domestic violence is where I'd draw the zero tolerance either with a proven guilty or in the scenarios where you've got an abundance of evidence (like Hernandez, Ray Rice or Tyreek Hill).
 

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Do people really consider cocaine use that much of a problem in the sense that it could cause the player to be cut?

Maybe it's my own personal opinion, but I really don't care too much about recreational drug use by professional athletes. Too me there's more of a litmus test of stupidity that causes players to get caught for it (make sure you've got your fall guy!) and I'm more annoyed at how this is likely impacted his performance early Sunday afternoon when he's up into the early hours on Saturday morning doing a stimulant.

Domestic violence is where I'd draw the zero tolerance either with a proven guilty or in the scenarios where you've got an abundance of evidence (like Hernandez, Ray Rice or Tyreek Hill).
I don’t really care about cocaine use from a moral standpoint, but from a team and character standpoint, it’s not a good performance drug. It’ll mess your sleep and eating and I’d be pretty unhappy if a teammate was using during game week. What happened to that Pats player a few years back who had all that mdma (I think coming back from Canada or something)?
 

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I don’t care about cocaine, the team/Kraft might.

Then again, Chung had his thing and nobody really cared. I had almost forgotten.
 

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Do people really consider cocaine use that much of a problem in the sense that it could cause the player to be cut?

Maybe it's my own personal opinion, but I really don't care too much about recreational drug use by professional athletes. Too me there's more of a litmus test of stupidity that causes players to get caught for it (make sure you've got your fall guy!) and I'm more annoyed at how this is likely impacted his performance early Sunday afternoon when he's up into the early hours on Saturday morning doing a stimulant.

Domestic violence is where I'd draw the zero tolerance either with a proven guilty or in the scenarios where you've got an abundance of evidence (like Hernandez, Ray Rice or Tyreek Hill).
Personally, I'm pretty confident the football marketplace will eject cokeheads, because they will soon suck at football. But from the league standpoint, considering that you can't buy coke at the store like you can weed, these "business dealings" with drug dealers could have implications as to threats and blackmail.
 

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I really doubt this.
Obviously there's no way to know (Hollywood Henderson is a small sample size), but coke fucks up the body in ways that pot, for example, does not. I think anything approaching heavy/regular use will cause physical deterioration. (FWIW-- In my stupider days, I tried many things. Coke was the one where the post-high physical trainwreck-i-tude made me say "nope. never again."
 

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Drug use by a guy in his position is pretty dumb but it's a crime that only really harms him. I'm pretty sure the team would let it go with a slap on the wrist. The other stuff that's been reported, fireable.
 

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Personally, I'm pretty confident the football marketplace will eject cokeheads, because they will soon suck at football. But from the league standpoint, considering that you can't buy coke at the store like you can weed, these "business dealings" with drug dealers could have implications as to threats and blackmail.
Obviously there's no way to know (Hollywood Henderson is a small sample size), but coke fucks up the body in ways that pot, for example, does not. I think anything approaching heavy/regular use will cause physical deterioration. (FWIW-- In my stupider days, I tried many things. Coke was the one where the post-high physical trainwreck-i-tude made me say "nope. never again."
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Drug use by a guy in his position is pretty dumb but it's a crime that only really harms him. I'm pretty sure the team would let it go with a slap on the wrist. The other stuff that's been reported, fireable.
Except the NFL has policies for drug use by players and there are procedures called out in the CBA. If Peppers was arrested for possession alone, he could end up being subject to the drug testing policies defined the CBA.
 

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I really enjoyed watching him on the field but I can’t help but think that football just poisons people.
I think it has a lot more to do with the environment that most of the people who end up in the NFL are coming from, socioeconomically. They grew up with problems, they grew up around lots of people who had problems, they learned the patterns of anger-management, dispute-resolution, typical behavior in intimate relationships, the bounds of normal behavior, from everyone around them, long before they had a fancy public-facing job and a big paycheck to match. I don't think playing football had, or has, any meaningful effect. It might down the road, of course, from CTE etc. But mid-career? I think this is just an artifact of socialization.
 

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I think it has a lot more to do with the environment that most of the people who end up in the NFL are coming from, socioeconomically. They grew up with problems, they grew up around lots of people who had problems, they learned the patterns of anger-management, dispute-resolution, typical behavior in intimate relationships, the bounds of normal behavior, from everyone around them, long before they had a fancy public-facing job and a big paycheck to match. I don't think playing football had, or has, any meaningful effect. It might down the road, of course, from CTE etc. But mid-career? I think this is just an artifact of socialization.
This seems right. For every Aaron Hernandez you show me, I can show you a John Urschel. There's a decidedly Alpha Male or Militaristic tenor to the football world, but those traits/socializations can be expressed in a broad range of ways.
 

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As a spectacular example of how Taylor received kid glove treatment from the league? I spent a chunk of the 80's and 90's looking at SPECT and CT scans as a (very peripheral) part of some studies that were being done. Google "salt and pepper CT scans" if you want a sense of what Dokes is referring to.
I thought the point was more that Taylor continued to play at a high level despite the coke. That does seem to be accurate. And the only straight-faced responses are that he might be an exception proving the rule or that talent at his rarified level might win out.
 

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I thought the point was more that Taylor continued to play at a high level despite the coke. That does seem to be accurate. And the only straight-faced responses are that he might be an exception proving the rule or that talent at his rarified level might win out.
I guess, and I apologize if I misinterpreted that. The extent to which gifted individuals (intellectual, athletic, whatever) can get away with shit for years on end is admittedly pretty impressive, but his MRI scans might well tell a very different story.
 

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As a spectacular example of how Taylor received kid glove treatment from the league? I spent a chunk of the 80's and 90's looking at SPECT and CT scans as a (very peripheral) part of some studies that were being done. Google "salt and pepper CT scans" if you want a sense of what Dokes is referring to.
Yes on the first part (along with his team) but also what Dokes said in the reply - he was the best LB in history while at the same time by many accounts a coke fiend. No doubt he didn't do himself any favors in terms of long term health but he was a beast on the football field regardless of whatever was coursing through his blood.
 

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I thought the point was more that Taylor continued to play at a high level despite the coke. That does seem to be accurate. And the only straight-faced responses are that he might be an exception proving the rule or that talent at his rarified level might win out.
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98.5 today played a 2016 clip of Jonathan Kraft saying Domestic Violence isn’t something they overlook. This has nothing to do with Myra.
Isn’t DV what ultimately did Antonio Brown in during his 1 game stint with the Pats?
 

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Any CBA experts here -- is there something like in MLB where someone can be put on an exempt / suspended without pay list pending trial?
 

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I've been the victim of domestic violence. They tried lying and alleged I was the perpetrator. Thankfully there was a video and the physical evidence all showed otherwise.

But that crap screwed with my head for YEARS. If he's guilty, I don't want him on the Patriots anymore.
 

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Bill would have cut him right after that phone call on Saturday morning.

Cocaine, assault, domestic violence -- all nonetheless 24 hours before a home game? He needs to be gone.
Bill would have cut him? Bill had to be dragged kicking and screaming to get rid of Antonio Brown.
 

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He admitted to having coke on him.
Officers discovered a clear bag with a white powder substance in his wallet and he told them “it is cocaine,” according to the wcvb.com report.
Not knowing how to talk to police is a worse offense than possessing cocaine. Idiot.

Hope there was no assault.
 

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Given that he is essentially suspended is disputing a serious charge in court as well as having admitted to cocaine possession, it seems feasible for him to step down as Captain so they can put someone else in the role.
 

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Is there a limit? Can't they just say Player X is now a captain?