Jaguars Game Goat Thread
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Everyone except Maye.
They need to re-rebuild after this season with an all new coaching staff and GM. Wolf and Mayo are incompetent.
They need to re-rebuild after this season with an all new coaching staff and GM. Wolf and Mayo are incompetent.
Wolfe - I would never fire a GM one year into the rebuild, but this gets me pretty close
Mayo - I feel bad for him. But also...do one million times better, please
Polk - but I think he'll be ok in the long run
THE DEFENSE and all of their coaches - one of the most humiliating performances I've ever seen of anything, and I watched that Arnold Palmer anecdote yesterday.
The OL and all of their coaches
To a lesser degree, Bill Belichick and his horrendous roster building over the last too many years to count. (This is still on Wolfe/Mayo more than anyone.)
EDIT TO ADD: Mike Owenhu. What a piece of garbage re-sign. Just terrible. Especially with Andrews gone, Big Mike HAS to show up, and that was embarrassing. He's as undisciplined as anyone.
Love Drake Maye. Love him so much. Excited for the future.
Mayo - I feel bad for him. But also...do one million times better, please
Polk - but I think he'll be ok in the long run
THE DEFENSE and all of their coaches - one of the most humiliating performances I've ever seen of anything, and I watched that Arnold Palmer anecdote yesterday.
The OL and all of their coaches
To a lesser degree, Bill Belichick and his horrendous roster building over the last too many years to count. (This is still on Wolfe/Mayo more than anyone.)
EDIT TO ADD: Mike Owenhu. What a piece of garbage re-sign. Just terrible. Especially with Andrews gone, Big Mike HAS to show up, and that was embarrassing. He's as undisciplined as anyone.
Love Drake Maye. Love him so much. Excited for the future.
At one point, the Jags ran 17 straight running plays. By far the season high for any team.
Actually, I'm adding a new #1..... Bob Kraft.
This feels like a franchise without a plan, and everything about moving on from BB was done wrong.
They hired a coach before the GM (almost always bad process)
They hired the 3rd man on the defensive coach depth chart without playcalling experience (Gross)
They didn't interview any candidates (gross)
They promoted from within at GM (shaky, but okay maybe not bad)
They promoted the 4th (maybe 5th?) man on the defensive coach depth chart to DC (really green, especially with a green HC)
This feels like a franchise without a plan, and everything about moving on from BB was done wrong.
They hired a coach before the GM (almost always bad process)
They hired the 3rd man on the defensive coach depth chart without playcalling experience (Gross)
They didn't interview any candidates (gross)
They promoted from within at GM (shaky, but okay maybe not bad)
They promoted the 4th (maybe 5th?) man on the defensive coach depth chart to DC (really green, especially with a green HC)
1. Mayo and the rest of the coaching.
2. The defense has taken a dramatic step backwards this year.
3. Polk
2. The defense has taken a dramatic step backwards this year.
3. Polk
Ted Johnson on the postgame with Holley is talking about the heat getting turned up on the ownership.
BB the former GM (You can’t expect Wolf to fix it in a year)
Mayo
AVPs 2nd and 3rd quarter play calling
Mayo
AVPs 2nd and 3rd quarter play calling
Kraft’s only goal was to get BB out of the building because he got tired of having to share credit with him.
Now he gets credit for this catastrophe all to himself.
Kraft really thought BB was holding the team back. Turns out he was holding it together.
Tom Brady has holding it together. The ghost of Brady held on with Belichick for a couple of years when the team was average. But since 2022, this team is a bottom 3 team in the NFL at best.
What precisely has Wolf done to fix anything? Aside from drafting Maye (which an AI draft bot would have done).
BB went 10-7 and made the playoffs with Mac Fucking Jones as his QB. That might well be the finest coaching performance of all time.
This is kind of perfect. Get some experience for a guy who looks like a franchise QB, get the first overall pick, finish 1-16 and fire Mayo (???), spend shit tons of money in the offseason. Would be nice if everyone outside of Drake Maye from the draft didn't suck, but QB is QB, so that's good.
Eh, Bill wouldn't have. But you're right, they had cash to spend and all they did was bring back a bunch of solid non-difference makers, mostly from a defense that won on scheme much more than it did on personnel.
This.
Nobody that Robert Kraft put in charge in the front office or coaching staff knows what the fuck he is doing.
Hopefully the inevitable season ticket cancellations will show him that he needs to invest some money in getting some people with an actual track record of success in the GM, Head Coach, and coordinator roles in here next year.
This is Rod Rust level bad.
Are we giving credit for drafting Drake Maye?
IMO we should not, that was obvious as hell, but that would about be it.
Edit - Thinking back, he should, yes. There were other viable options.
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Lol now Brady gets credit for any success after he left?
It is very clear that Mac killed the team, and they would have been fine with a competent QB.
Saban said he's almost certain Bill would have picked Maye and sat him for a while, Saban has pretty good insight into Bill and has long been one of his college sounding boards.
Nothing Bill himself has said about Maye leads me to believe he thought he was worthy of the 3rd overall pick.
I suspect Bill would have drafted Maye. He knew better than anyone what a disaster the QB position was. Unless he was going to flip the #3 pick for more picks and a veteran QB, I think he makes the obvious choice there.
Covington and AVP.
Nepotism. Looking at you Jerod and Deron.
DL and OL.
Big special teams failure cost them too.
Nepotism. Looking at you Jerod and Deron.
DL and OL.
Big special teams failure cost them too.
Maybe, but I don't think it gives any real insight, he's talking mostly about Maye not being NFL ready, not whether he'd take him. I think Bill got burned taking the low upside QB in Mac and he would have come around on Maye then sat him a long time. Daniels was allegedly his guy, but barring being able to get him I think Bill would have taken Maye.
0 catches on 3 targets. Plus the failed conversion. I can remember 2 drops; maybe all three were?
Personally I think the majority of the credit for 2021 goes to McDaniels. His Raiders fiasco seems to have erased people’s memories of his time here. But he squeezed a functional offense out of Mac and company in 2021.
We’ve seen what’s happened to the O since he left.
I would, if only because I wasn't at all sold on Maye making the jump, much less the progress he's shown so far. It would have been easy to trade back for Alt, trade back into the first with the extra picks to double dip on the line or grab a better receiver, and go with a better, if aging vet at QB for a few years.
That 2021 team wins 6 games tops against the schedule of QBs the Pats will face this year. They were exceedingly lucky with injuries and facing backups that year.
Yeah, honestly I had ideas of trading back myself, but I think the consensus from all the experts was just take Maye.
100% i got to watch the game Maye has it but other than that u have 2-3 win talent mayo makes 2017-18 vance joseph look like tomlin
3 targets were... early game right side, gets his hands on the ball, DB rips his arm off on the way down
later game right side, ball gets floated, he is a little tentative, gets his hands on it then get LIT UP (shot to the head that should have been a penalty btw on replay)
2pt try, falls down out of his break.
They weren't drops in the way he had last week in that all were contested, but he probably should hold on to at least the 1st one, if not the second.
This is where I disagree. Belichick lost the ability to evaluate modern players in relation to today’s dollars. He didn’t value the QB position or skill positions as high as they need to be in the modern NFL.
And the most important factor IMO, the man is 72 years old.
Sure they would have gotten 2, maybe 3 years of 7-8 win teams instead of 3-4 win teams. And he would have continued to trade the 12-15 range 1st round picks for a bunch of 2nds that he would spent on defensive backs that everyone else had 3rd round grades on.
While still continuing to bust balls on every contract for anyone that is actually good.
And then the organization would be in the exact same spot that they are in now, except they just wasted three years of our fandom.
It was better to just rip the band-aid off this year instead of just doing this in three years before figuring out that Kraft was banking on the wrong guys post Belichick.
They also had a top 5 defense, which is Bill (and maybe Steve)
The Patricia year... even better D kept them near 500
last year d around 6-8 range, offense truly disastrous, 4 wins
This year.... defense well into the 20s, not particularly competitive.
I wondered about that. Will that be shown eventually to have been Drake throwing it just a tad too late?
facts look at sean payton in denver a bill dispale before the season denver was a 4-5 win team now with bo nix at qb they have a 50-50 shot BUT had i known denver def was going to be this good denver better play wouild been move up to 3 take maye give up 3 1st 2 2nds and a 25 3rd
The Patricia year they went into the last week of the season with a win and you’re in the playoffs scenario. As much as people want to shit talk Patricia and BB, again that was a masterclass of coaching in retrospect given that we know Mac can’t play.
Pretty sure I'm the only one who feels this way but I didn't think the OL was terrible today as it's been recently. Low bar I know but considering they're path work, I saw a decent number of clean pockets and Maye did complete 26 passes. I don't remember a large percent of them being from scrambles. And only 2 sacks. Well the running game did suck so there's that. Anyhow, also wondering if we might have something in Ben Brown at center.
I thought there was a fair amount of pressure in the passing game and they got zero push in the running game. Maye just has more tools and better instinct to deal with the rush than Brissett.
He put a little too much air on it and left it inside, not a great throw. Polk should probably hold on, but considering he got hit really hard in the head (college they would have thrown that guy out), I think without the drop issues last week nobody thinks twice.