Kyrie is a crazy person. I'd love to see him on the Knicks or 76ers.I don't care how good he can be. I'm more concerned how disruptive he will be.
James Harden to Brooklyn
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The problem is that they can get a much better player for Simmons than the pouty Irving. If the Nets could toss in four first round picks and three pick swaps, then it might work.
Tobias Harris for Kyrie is actually a pretty good deal for both teams imo, all things considered.
If I'm Philly offer Harris and throw in Thybulle + Pick.
Probably makes both teams better.
If they did want to move him Orlando would be a good fit. Magic need a ball handler and his arrival would, at a minimum, bring attention/interest to a team which is otherwise an afterthought. Vuc, Gordon, Ross, Birch and Fournier would all fit (albeit in different ways) with the Nets.
Yea Orlando definitely needs to shake it up.
Do you think Kyrie would move down there, show up and play?
I have a feeling the Nets trade partners would be pretty limited
Yeah this is the issue. Teams that are already contenders are going to be very reluctant to bring in Kyrie and mess up their chemistry, and there is no way Kyrie would put in anything above an absolute minimum effort if he was traded to a non-contender.
Philly makes sense since they are a contender and South Orange, NJ is about 90mins away
And the necessity of matching up salarywise makes the deal equally unattractive for the Magic. I suspect that it's the Knicks or bust. They're under the cap thus making a deal easier on both teams.
Kyrie was on a good team, didn't like it. Got moved to where he wanted to play with a bigger star. Still doesn't want to play all the time. Even when the guy gets what he wants, you can't depend on him.
Honestly, Lebron's body of work looks even more impressive now that we have a better sense of how utterly unreliable Kyrie is. The Nets should try to move him, but I think they're stuck.
All the talent in this flat world isn't worth much if a guy won't consistently get on the court.
Honestly, Lebron's body of work looks even more impressive now that we have a better sense of how utterly unreliable Kyrie is. The Nets should try to move him, but I think they're stuck.
All the talent in this flat world isn't worth much if a guy won't consistently get on the court.
I don't think anyone could claim to know what Kyrie will do tomorrow, let alone if he were traded to NBA Siberia. But 98M is a lot to walk away from, even for Irving.
He and Betsy could have some great conversations.
I think this is part actually pretty easy. There are plenty of constructions that pass the trade machine and do not result in Orlando taking on more salary.
Oh shit dude. This would be a terrifying trade for Brooklyn. They really don't need what Kyrie brings to the table, and they would love to have a skilled big like Vuc who can rebound, an athletic big wing that can defend in Gordon, and Fournier who can provide scoring off the bench and plays well off-ball.
It's not Orlando taking on salary, it's in the necessity that they include salary attached to a useful player in exchange for a guy that might decide three days later that he's never going to play for you again. If you're the Magic do you really want to give up Gordon and Ross for that kind of risk? With that package they might not get anyone as talented, but they can sure as heck get someone more stable. Or at the least some real draft capital.
Well, if the Nets don't figure out a way to get some depth, Harden might be at risk of playing himself into shape. 40, 41, and 51 minutes in his first 3 games with Brooklyn. Even in a 2OT game, the Nets only got 54 minutes out of their 6-9. Obviously their top guys can play 40 minutes a game in the playoffs, but they might be worn down to a nub by the time they get there at the current pace.
As a Sixers fan I was fine with them passing on him, even though he's been great with the Nets. But I agree, the minutes he and Durant have been playing are not sustainable, and the result of them shedding the depth they had to surrender to make the deal.
I think all 3 will be fine together and there's no reason for a trade. If all 3 stay healthy, they could easily win the title, which would be especially annoying as a C's fan considering Ainge destroyed on the trade front.
There's really only 4 guys on the team that should be getting any shots so as long as they keep two of Kyrie, Durant, Harden and Harris on the court at all times, I think Kyrie, Durant and Harden will all get their fair share.
There's really only 4 guys on the team that should be getting any shots so as long as they keep two of Kyrie, Durant, Harden and Harris on the court at all times, I think Kyrie, Durant and Harden will all get their fair share.
like J Allen and C LaVert?
Going back to the fit element, it's weird how despite Harris being not great and overpaid, that still makes some sense to have an inferior player who knows his role over Kyrie. I think it'd work for Philly, too (not that any of this think it'd happen...but for the sake of idle speculation).
agreed.
Thybulle adds long wing defense/depth. They could use the pick to add vet from seller at deadline
The Brooklyn Nets have been granted a disabled player exception worth $5.7 million for the loss of starting guard Spencer Dinwiddie, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. The Nets have until April 19 to use the exception. The $5.7 million represents half of Dinwiddie's salary this season.
Can the Nets turnaround and trade Spencer Dinwiddie, use his salary for matching purposes and retain the DPE?
Can the Nets turnaround and trade Spencer Dinwiddie, use his salary for matching purposes and retain the DPE?
If Blake is coming at no significant cost I think it's a good move. He isn't a dynamic athlete at all, but he has a high IQ that can move the ball quickly and work pick-and-rolls with Brooklyn's ball handlers and shoot from the perimeter. Brooklyn is probably going to need depth and finding good, young players is difficult because those guys are not usually available on the scrap heap.
But can he shoot from the perimeter? He's 28% from 3 over last 2 seasons and 44% with 2 pt shots. Not much of a rebounder anymore. No risk on a vet min or whatever buyout but seems like he just doesn't have much left. Point noted on the passing. He still has some value there.
His numbers from the past two seasons are a pretty small sample size, the previous year he shot 36% and took 7 threes a game. That is also for a terrible Detroit team; the quality of his looks in Brooklyn are going to be amazing.
We'll see, I guess. I think his legs are basically toast but he will see better looks presumably. I still don't think he's really going to be an asset on the perimeter but maybe he won't be as big of a liability as his last 2 years would suggest.
He's also a vet and by all accounts a good teammate, and when you're a contender and you can get that kind of guy without sacrificing much in the way or money or roster spots there's little downside. Kind of a Sam Cassell circa-2008 kind of thing.