Jeff Teague: 1 year deal with the Celtics

[NomarsFool]

I think GWill is a mixed bag because he is shooting the 3 pretty well. I think a lot of his issues is how he fits on this team with the way it's currently constructed. I think Semi is a bright spot at the moment too, along with Theis possibly emerging as a guy who can stretch the floor.

It's small sample size, but at least in some games it seems like GW has been taking over for DT as the human foul machine. I feel like GW's signature play (aside from the 3-ball, which to your point, has been good for him this season) is seeing GW standing there with his arms raised, feet on the floor, while somebody bumps into him while driving to the basket and drawing the foul. Could totally just be bad luck - as I don't perceive that he's doing things that should lead to fouls - but it could be poor positioning which I am not at all qualified to judge.

It's just been a bit weird this year as I feel like playing time for players like GW, Semi, Green have been very up and down. It's a bit weird to get a DNP-CD in one game and then be an early sub in the next game. Or, not play at all in a half where 12 people get in the game, but then be an early sub in the second half. I just feel like we're not getting a good evaluation of what these guys can bring to the table. Since wins and losses are not important right now, I'd like see Semi / GW / whatever play 5-10 games of 25 minutes plus, or whatever the number is, to see if he can really be a regular rotation player. I feel like we still don't have an answer to that question.

 

[the moops]

I feel like GW's signature play (aside from the 3-ball, which to your point, has been good for him this season) is seeing GW standing there with his arms raised, feet on the floor, while somebody bumps into him while driving to the basket and drawing the foul. Could totally just be bad luck - as I don't perceive that he's doing things that should lead to fouls - but it could be poor positioning which I am not at all qualified to judge.

I hate that they call this foul. The offensive player is allowed to initiate way too much contact and still get the call. An ddon't even get me started on the pump fake, get the guy in the air, and jump three feet sideways to initiate the contact and get the call bullshit

 

[Cesar Crespo]

It's small sample size, but at least in some games it seems like GW has been taking over for DT as the human foul machine. I feel like GW's signature play (aside from the 3-ball, which to your point, has been good for him this season) is seeing GW standing there with his arms raised, feet on the floor, while somebody bumps into him while driving to the basket and drawing the foul. Could totally just be bad luck - as I don't perceive that he's doing things that should lead to fouls - but it could be poor positioning which I am not at all qualified to judge.

It's just been a bit weird this year as I feel like playing time for players like GW, Semi, Green have been very up and down. It's a bit weird to get a DNP-CD in one game and then be an early sub in the next game. Or, not play at all in a half where 12 people get in the game, but then be an early sub in the second half. I just feel like we're not getting a good evaluation of what these guys can bring to the table. Since wins and losses are not important right now, I'd like see Semi / GW / whatever play 5-10 games of 25 minutes plus, or whatever the number is, to see if he can really be a regular rotation player. I feel like we still don't have an answer to that question.

GWill has always been very foul prone. He puts Theis to shame but no one really talks about it.

 

[Jimbodandy]

GWill has always been very foul prone. He puts Theis to shame but no one really talks about it.

I think that nobody talks about it because we're hoping to get 30 minutes from Theis and need him out there. If Grant gets 4 fouls in 17 minutes and we have to throw in Semi or Javonte earlier than expected, c'est la vie. If we start losing matchup battles because Theis is stapled to the bench, it's bad.

 

[oumbi]

GWill has always been very foul prone. He puts Theis to shame but no one really talks about it.

This got me wondering about their fouls, and yes they both do foul a lot. For their careers per 36 minutes:
Theis = 5.5 per game
G Williams = 5.7 per game.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

This got me wondering about their fouls, and yes they both do foul a lot. For their careers per 36 minutes:
Theis = 5.5 per game
G Williams = 5.7 per game.

Theis is way down this year at 4.0/36.

 

[benhogan]

You'll find # of fouls/gm doesn't correlate to bad defensive players

 

[lovegtm]

To keep the topic on Teague: he sucks. I really don’t get why he sees any minutes with Kemba/PP/Carsen all available and playing well.

 

[ThePrideofShiner]

Why not sign IT or Crawford to replace Teague's minutes? I just don't get it.

 

[lovegtm]

Why not sign IT or Crawford to replace Teague's minutes? I just don't get it.

Because they’re even worse, especially defensively?

This isn’t hard: Jeff Teague probably won’t be a Celtic much longer, and they already have plenty of guys to replace him.

 

[Imbricus]

The silver lining, if there is one, is that he signed at the vet minimum, right, at $2.6 million or so? So they took a fairly cheap flyer on him.

 

[NomarsFool]

If they signed IT there’s a chance that Stevens might play him - so better not, no matter how useless Teague is. There’s always a chance that TT passes on to Teague whatever magic potion brought him back from the dead on this west coast trip.

 

[lovegtm]

If they signed IT there’s a chance that Stevens might play him - so better not, no matter how useless Teague is. There’s always a chance that TT passes on to Teague whatever magic potion brought him back from the dead on this west coast trip.

Isn't that magic potion just called "getting in game shape after hamstring problems"? Not sure that font is available for Teague to drink from.

 

[the moops]

They probably hold onto him and include him and his salary in any deal they make

 

[NomarsFool]

Isn't that magic potion just called "getting in game shape after hamstring problems"? Not sure that font is available for Teague to drink from.

TT and JT both had long layoffs, and had been absolutely dreadful shooting through the first quarter of the season. I’d have to look at the stats, but I would expect TT has gotten much more playing time than JT. Anyway, I don’t think it’s likely he improves, and I’d rather see almost anyone else on the floor but him - but I also see no reason to cut him now.

 

[PrometheusWakefield]

To keep the topic on Teague: he sucks. I really don’t get why he sees any minutes with Kemba/PP/Carsen all available and playing well.

Tough competition between Teague and Tremont Waters to be the 5th best PG on the team

 

[benhogan]

If they signed IT there’s a chance that Stevens might play him - so better not, no matter how useless Teague is. There’s always a chance that TT passes on to Teague whatever magic potion brought him back from the dead on this west coast trip.

part of the TT magic potion is to stop making him play PF/C next to Daniel Theis. He needs to be the only Center on the floor.

The same goes for Theis, he's better when he isn't playing next to Tristan.

 

[Euclis20]

As the starter he'd be horrendous, as a backup he's below average, but as the 4th PG, behind Kemba/Smart/Pritchard? He's absolutely fine. It sucks that injuries mean he's seeing more time than is warranted for his skill level, but when everyone is healthy he's warming the bench. If a guy in that position can play a few minutes in an emergency and not completely vomit all of the court when called upon, you don't worry about replacing him. Especially not with a player that the rest of the league has passed on.

 

[NomarsFool]

I think the hard thing is that CBS seems to either really like 2-PG lineups, or feels like he can't trust the wings enough. We saw this so much last season when BW would play alongside Smart or Walker. Even earlier this season we saw JT playing next to PP or MS on the floor.

One could make the argument that BW was the 8th best player on the Celtics last season and therefore CBS had to play him alongside KW et al. This season, it's hard for me to see how JT shouldn't be 12+ on the depth chart.

 

[amarshal2]

As the starter he'd be horrendous, as a backup he's below average, but as the 4th PG, behind Kemba/Smart/Pritchard? He's absolutely fine. It sucks that injuries mean he's seeing more time than is warranted for his skill level, but when everyone is healthy he's warming the bench. If a guy in that position can play a few minutes in an emergency and not completely vomit all of the court when called upon, you don't worry about replacing him. Especially not with a player that the rest of the league has passed on.

Only if you’re getting rid of Edwards for cap space or something because otherwise Teague is 5th best and 6th if you count Smart (which I do). With the improvement in JT and JB ball handling you want your PG to do at least two of: space the floor, make a layup, defend competently. Teague is the worst shooter of that group, he cannot make a layup, and his defense isn’t better than his competition. His only skill is grifting occasional free throws which seems like it has a shelf life considering he’s not a threat to do anything else.

 

[reggiecleveland]

You sign guys like TT and Teague because you are not sure how young guys will develop. He is expendable. With Tatum and Brown attacking off the ballscreens and handoffs the small guards need to make 3s, and penetrate off kicks, and battle on D. If Teague can get his shooting going he can have value.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Posted this in the Suns Game Thread but probably better here. Here's a look into Teague's horrific shooting 2P #s. On the bright side, they are far and away career lows so if they regress to anywhere near his averages, he's going to go on a lengthy hot streak. On the less bright side, he shot worse than his career in ATL and this possibly could be a continuation of this - except he's shooting a career best from 3P. Weird.

Here are his career #s versus this year:

*****	2P	0-3	3-10	10-16	16-3P	3P
Career	.471	.592	.387	.410	.355	.350
2020-21	.287	.500	.317	.154	.118	.412

If we are looking at trends, here are his last three years:

*****	2P	0-3	3-10	10-16	16-3P	3P
Career	.471	.592	.387	.410	.355	.35
2018-19	.453	.583	.357	.483	.300	.333
2019-20	.457	.574	.407	.317	.368	.368
2020-21	.287	.500	.317	.154	.118	.412

And if you want to break out 2019-20 between MIN and ATL, then:

****	2P	0-3	3-10	10-16	16-3P	3P
Career	.471	.592	.387	.410	.355	.350
2018-19	.453	.583	.357	.483	.300	.333
2019-20 MIN (34 G)	.473	.531	.431	.394	.667	.379
2019-20 ATL (25 G)	.430	.654	.349	.222	.231	.333
2020-21	.287	.500	.317	.154	.118	.412

Looking at this stats for the last three years, there doesn't seem to be a trend. However, if you break out 2019-20, it looks like his 2P shooting plummeted and got worse this year. Of course, this could all be SSS noise (that's obviously what BOS is hoping).

Weird though that he's missing 10-3P jumpers and hitting 3P jumpers. My memory sucks but it doesn't seem like he's taking a ton of contested 2Ps. Hopefully some

 

[Cellar-Door]

Teague is honestly fine for the 4th PG role he should be in come playoff time (Behind Kemba, PP, and Smart). He'll play less, and when he does he'll likely be asked to play D (he's been decent there) and hit open 3s (decent there as well), he'll also be asked to bring the ball up and not turn it over, both of which he can do.

Where he's been awful has been trying to create off the dribble, and hopefully he won't be asked to do much of that in his limited role when minutes matter.

 

[Jimbodandy]

Posted this in the Suns Game Thread but probably better here. Here's a look into Teague's horrific shooting 2P #s. On the bright side, they are far and away career lows so if they regress to anywhere near his averages, he's going to go on a lengthy hot streak. On the less bright side, he shot worse than his career in ATL and this possibly could be a continuation of this - except he's shooting a career best from 3P. Weird.

Here are his career #s versus this year:

*****	2P	0-3	3-10	10-16	16-3P	3P
Career	.471	.592	.387	.410	.355	.350
2020-21	.287	.500	.317	.154	.118	.412

If we are looking at trends, here are his last three years:

*****	2P	0-3	3-10	10-16	16-3P	3P
Career	.471	.592	.387	.410	.355	.35
2018-19	.453	.583	.357	.483	.300	.333
2019-20	.457	.574	.407	.317	.368	.368
2020-21	.287	.500	.317	.154	.118	.412

And if you want to break out 2019-20 between MIN and ATL, then:

****	2P	0-3	3-10	10-16	16-3P	3P
Career	.471	.592	.387	.410	.355	.350
2018-19	.453	.583	.357	.483	.300	.333
2019-20 MIN (34 G)	.473	.531	.431	.394	.667	.379
2019-20 ATL (25 G)	.430	.654	.349	.222	.231	.333
2020-21	.287	.500	.317	.154	.118	.412

Looking at this stats for the last three years, there doesn't seem to be a trend. However, if you break out 2019-20, it looks like his 2P shooting plummeted and got worse this year. Of course, this could all be SSS noise (that's obviously what BOS is hoping).

Weird though that he's missing 10-3P jumpers and hitting 3P jumpers. My memory sucks but it doesn't seem like he's taking a ton of contested 2Ps. Hopefully some

Good catch.

I've been speculating that it's bad ball luck. It reminds me of Grant's 0 for 60 run to start last year. Nobody's that bad. He'll regress to the mean, and this thread will drop down the page.

 

[NomarsFool]

I'm still a bit perplexed why Jeff Teague is getting so much playing time. He played nearly 18 minutes against Phoenix. I'm not CE fan, but I would have rather seen him get some more minutes to see what he can do out there. I don't think JT should necessarily be getting DNP-CDs every night aka Tremont Waters, but shouldn't he be more like getting 2 stints a game of 4-5 minutes each?

Why is Brad so addicted to having JT out there with another small guard? Is it a defense issue? Because he's certainly no defensive stopper. I'd think that anytime Tatum or Brown is on the floor, they can bring the ball up.

 

[the moops]

I'm still a bit perplexed why Jeff Teague is getting so much playing time. He played nearly 18 minutes against Phoenix. I'm not CE fan, but I would have rather seen him get some more minutes to see what he can do out there. I don't think JT should necessarily be getting DNP-CDs every night aka Tremont Waters, but shouldn't he be more like getting 2 stints a game of 4-5 minutes each?

I don't who else was supposed to pick up those minutes. And also kind of odd to question it when he shot 50% from the floor (2-2 from three). He wasn't great, but he was playing better than Edwards or Green

 

[lovegtm]

I'm still a bit perplexed why Jeff Teague is getting so much playing time. He played nearly 18 minutes against Phoenix. I'm not CE fan, but I would have rather seen him get some more minutes to see what he can do out there. I don't think JT should necessarily be getting DNP-CDs every night aka Tremont Waters, but shouldn't he be more like getting 2 stints a game of 4-5 minutes each?

Why is Brad so addicted to having JT out there with another small guard? Is it a defense issue? Because he's certainly no defensive stopper. I'd think that anytime Tatum or Brown is on the floor, they can bring the ball up.

The Celtics prefer to have a quicker guard bring the ball up, and then get Tatum or Brown the ball on the move after an initial screening action.

 

[chilidawg]

Teague has one of the better On-Offs on the team, and by Raptor he's at least above average. I agree the eye test looks bad, but maybe there's something good going on that we're not seeing. I do think there's something to the idea that he may be having a run of bad luck on his shooting. It does seem he's had a number of good looking shots rim out.

 

[lovegtm]

Teague has one of the better On-Offs on the team, and by Raptor he's at least above average. I agree the eye test looks bad, but maybe there's something good going on that we're not seeing. I do think there's something to the idea that he may be having a run of bad luck on his shooting. It does seem he's had a number of good looking shots rim out.

He's definitely not the guy he used to be, and I get really frustrated watching him play. But I think that he's had a really bad run of 2PT luck and it's gotten into his head majorly. The problem is that his floaters can stay irrational longer than Jeff Teague (or demarco) can stay mentally solvent.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Why is Brad so addicted to having JT out there with another small guard? Is it a defense issue? Because he's certainly no defensive stopper. I'd think that anytime Tatum or Brown is on the floor, they can bring the ball up.

Teague is out there with the second unit for nearly all of his rotations and Brad doesn’t have any other logical options to play those minutes especially now with Smart out. We’ll have some reinforcements coming at the deadline so we won’t have to see Edwards or Waters (or hopefully Semi) on the floor as part of the regular rotation.