Jerod Mayo Fired

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Oh... they are definitely getting a retread like Vrabel then. Maybe Flores.
Perry (who probably was getting it from people who knew Mayo was out) said today that if Mayo was gone it would not be for a 1st time HC. Now could be posturing or things could change, but I assume it's Vrabel and they'll just do some fake Rooney rule interviews.
 

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Jerod wasn’t ready for the role. The “walk backs”, the shy risk taking among other actions. I believe this will be best for the org. I hope Eliot goes as well (wiffing on Ladd McConkey and poor other drafting and Free agent action)
That being said, I hope they keep AVP in some role because I think he has helped develop Maye and Bazooka Joe.
I’m fine with also replacing Covington because the defense regressed badly.
 

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The people who want to plug Vrabel into this organization are bewildering to me. They need a hard reset and a real coaching search after they find a GM. The best candidates cannot even interview yet.
+2 The idea that a former Patriot is the presumptive guy seems like the same flawed process of "hire guys we know"
Hire a new GM, let him or her make the coaching decision.
 

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Jerod wasn’t ready for the role. The “walk backs”, the shy risk taking among other actions. I believe this will be best for the org. I hope Eliot goes as well (wiffing on Ladd McConkey and poor other drafting and Free agent action)
That being said, I hope they keep AVP in some role because I think he has helped develop Maye and Bazooka Joe.
I’m fine with also replacing Covington because the defense regressed badly.
AVP gone
 

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I would think Wolf and company might survive but perhaps with a boss, and may end up leaving after the draft.
 

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I understand that it was a horrendous season but this is the worst roster in the NFL. I do feel bad for Mayo, he didn’t have the contacts to create a winning staff. After Maye and Gonzalez is there anyone on this roster who could be traded for a top 100 pick?
no, not even close. But keep quiet! Mayo is the only problem! Wolf had interviews and it takes time!
 

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Joe Murray on TSH said one of the local beat guys tweeted Wolf expected to RETURN
 

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Most professional thing this org has done since Brady left. Now, run a real search. Coen, Johnson, Vrabel...etc. I am surprised Wolf will stay, but hopefully they bolster or adjust the FO in some meaningful way.
 

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Meh, no issue with Wolf staying. It takes longer to turn over a shit roster than it does to have a competent looking gameday organization.

The roster wasn't good, but with better coaching on Sunday this team could have won 4 or 5 more games.
 

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The question is who will hire the HC - Wolf or the Krafts? I cannot see a high-value HC candidate (other than Vrabel) coming if Wolf stays as de facto GM.
 

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Please hire someone outside of the organization and Belichick tree.

Do what the Commanders did and hit reset. Don’t want Vrabel. Look at someone from Campbell’s coaching tree.
 

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Honestly, I feel bad for Mayo. By all accounts, he was a great guy and well respected by his teammates (when he was one of the captains) and players (both as defensive assistant and head coach). But he was also clearly in over his head as coach. He likely would have benefited from being the head honcho on defense (aka, true DC) for a couple of seasons, but circumstances seemed to get ahead of everyone. As many have noted - unforced error on Robert Kraft's part.

But, such is life in the NFL. Despite what some of his detractors on this forum will claim, Mayo will get assistant coaching opportunities at the NFL in short order, and possibly NCAA as well. And probably should get another opportunity as head coach at some point (just not next season).
Having to follow BB put him in a very unenviable position. And it was a spectacular failure.
 

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Who do you think are the best candidates?
Ben Johnson is probably the top name of this cycle. And probably who you hope can build an offense around Drake Maye.

Flores and Vrabel are probably in the next tier and have obvious ties to the organization. Flores failed to build an offense or ecosystem around Tua. Vrabel is the more accomplished head coach at the NFL level.
 

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I don’t have an issue with Wolf staying if Vrabel can work with him and everyone is on the same page. If not, why bother firing Mayo.

I’m assuming this is Vrabel due how fast this happened. If it’s not, I have a lot more questions.
 

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Meh, no issue with Wolf staying. It takes longer to turn over a shit roster than it does to have a competent looking gameday organization.

The roster wasn't good, but with better coaching on Sunday this team could have won 4 or 5 more games.
I misread. Completely disagree. This roster is fucking trash. And Wolf was a big part of putting together those shit rosters
 

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hire Vrabel. Bring in Jon Robinson or someone from the Licht tree.

There should be no one who had any sort of say kept from the previous administration. Burn it to the ground and start over
I actually think Highsmith had some good ideas in an interview he gave to the Globe earlier in the season. I wish I could find it. If separated from Wolf I think Alonzo would do a pretty good job. However, I won't die on this hill.
 

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Meh, no issue with Wolf staying. It takes longer to turn over a shit roster than it does to have a competent looking gameday organization.

The roster wasn't good, but with better coaching on Sunday this team could have won 4 or 5 more games.
yeah to me the biggest thing on Wolf is.... his biggest failures are... non-1st draft picks, and just not signing anybody. The first of those is bad, but given the variabilty of drafts... that happens to even the best GMs. The second is almost certainly a strategy that was approved by ownership. He was also working off BB's system with BB's guys. Yes he was brought in as an outside voice a few years ago, but he was open that he wanted to implement a new scouting system after the draft.
 

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The right move but Ifeel bad for Mayo. Seems like a good guy, just wasn’t ready for the gig. I’m happy they made the move.
 

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I actually think Highsmith had some good ideas in an interview he gave to the Globe earlier in the season. I wish I could find it. If separated from Wolf I think Alonzo would do a pretty good job. However, I won't die on this hill.
I think Alonzo is known as a RB expert and should stay. I do suspect Wolf is likely a S/T solution.
 

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yeah to me the biggest thing on Wolf is.... his biggest failures are... non-1st draft picks, and just not signing anybody. The first of those is bad, but given the variabilty of drafts... that happens to even the best GMs. The second is almost certainly a strategy that was approved by ownership. He was also working off BB's system with BB's guys. Yes he was brought in as an outside voice a few years ago, but he was open that he wanted to implement a new scouting system after the draft.
Going non-consensus and completely whiffing on the 2nd-5th round picks is way more of an issue than you are portraying. And you know that
 

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The people who want to plug Vrabel into this organization are bewildering to me. They need a hard reset and a real coaching search after they find a GM. The best candidates cannot even interview yet.
100% this. I can’t understand the rush to hire Vrabel. If he had never played here would people still feel this way?

Please do a real search this time.
 

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What if the prospective coaching candidate wants to bring in his own GM? Would Kraft blink then?
 

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I bet a whole lot of money that Kraft made it clear he was to lose this game. Mayo was just too inept to figure out how.
 

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Wolf should go at some point this year whether it is after Vrabel wants his own guy or after the draft. You can make those changes in May or June. Front office cycle is different - although you could make a move now, sure.
 

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I misread. Completely disagree. This roster is fucking trash. And Wolf was a big part of putting together those shit rosters
Yeah, we get it, you've posted like 7 times about it in the last 15 minutes :)

I said the roster wasn't good, and I think you need more time to redo a roster that's been bad for 4 years.
 

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This is all on Kraft. He’s ok because of decades (plural) of excellence. But he made this hire and he botched the firing. He put this guy in the job.
 

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Going non-consensus and completely whiffing on the 2nd-5th round picks is way more of an issue than you are portraying. And you know that
Come on man, already deeming these picks as “whiffs” is premature. Yes, they all sucked during their rookie years under inept coaching. Like with most drafts, you won’t know for another 2 years whether or not it was good or not.
 

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Come on man, already deeming these picks as “whiffs” is premature. Yes, they all sucked during their rookie years under inept coaching. Like with most drafts, you won’t know for another 2 years whether or not it was good or not.
He traded out of a slot to see that guy have as many catches as our guy had yards this year.
 

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Maybe, I hope not. Coaches shouldn't choose GMs. GMs should choose coaches.
And inheriting a GM is what? I’d say still pretty awful, no?

All year you’ve been banging the drum of GMs picking coaches and Mayo being awful. What is this sudden turn that keeping Wolf is ok? Your reasoning thus far is incredibly weak
 

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Pleasantly surprised. Mayo was a great player, comes across as a good guy with a demeanor to match, and wish him success moving on. Kudos to Kraft for recognizing his gaffe. I do wonder how much influence Jonathan has in the decision making process as the heir apparent, and currently believe more than I initially thought. I will never tire of being Patriot fan in good times, bad times (and middlin'). Next few months will be fascinating.
 

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Come on man, already deeming these picks as “whiffs” is premature. Yes, they all sucked during their rookie years under inept coaching. Like with most drafts, you won’t know for another 2 years whether or not it was good or not.
The only one I think is fair to call a whiff is Polk. He could absolutely come back and be good, but the early 2nd you expect something out of that guy right away. Rest of the picks... you don't expect much and a couple of guys were injured.
 

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He traded out of a slot to see that guy have as many catches as our guy had yards this year.
Yes. Polk sucked this year. With Brissett for 6 games, a talented Rookie for another, no offensive line to give them time, and shit coaching.

All of this is established.

At this moment in time, it was a bad pick. Talk to me in two years to see how things end up is all I’m saying.
 

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The only one I think is fair to call a whiff is Polk. He could absolutely come back and be good, but the early 2nd you expect something out of that guy right away. Rest of the picks... you don't expect much and a couple of guys were injured.
But it wasn’t just a whiff. It was a whiff combined with the trade out and then the guy picked in that slot having a great year. It would have been like if Fultz was all NBA and Tatum was Fultz.
 

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Wolf next, please. And no Vrabel, we need a full reset and let the GM choose the coach.
That’s a recipe for another green coach. Find the head coach you want and hire him. Use the ability to participate in the GM selection process as a selling point.

Agree that Wolf needs to go too, but someone needs to keep the rank-and-file folks in the front office on task for the next few weeks. I don’t know that Wolf is the person to do that, but I also don’t know that he isn’t. This wouldn’t be the first time a franchise left a dead man walking in place for a few weeks.
 

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The only one I think is fair to call a whiff is Polk. He could absolutely come back and be good, but the early 2nd you expect something out of that guy right away. Rest of the picks... you don't expect much and a couple of guys were injured.
To me, a “whiff” denotes that the guy is not an NFL caliber player — nevermind WR1 or WR2. I don’t think we can say that yet.
 

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Yes. Polk sucked this year. With Brissett for 6 games, a talented Rookie for another, no offensive line to give them time, and shit coaching.

All of this is established.

At this moment in time, it was a bad pick. Talk to me in two years to see how things end up is all I’m saying.
I think you’re right…but you could say the EXACT same thing about Mayo no? The NFL doesn’t have much patience for development now
 

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I'm definitely shocked that they fired Mayo, and seem to have reached that decision some time ago. But keeping Wolf? Ugh. It's like there's a steaming pile of dogshit on your front porch and somehow you think that shoveling away half of it is the same as removing it all.
 

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I’m happy with Wolf staying now but he needs to hit.

He wasn’t made full in charge until post draft so I do wonder if he had a spending limit because of that too

like how many people would take John Lynch right now and his first draft with the Niners was complete ass for the most part other than Kittle.
 
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