Jeter out as Marlins CEO

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"...the vision for the future of the franchise is different than the one I signed up to lead"

I wonder what that means....
 
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While hard to quantify, I will accept no other opinion aside from the fact that Derek Jeter was the most clutch owner in MLB history. I hope the Marlins deservedly retire his suit.
 
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More seriously, it sucks that the only Black CEO is leaving – and the Athletic is reporting that the timing is odd given that the low spending teams like the Marlins and Rays are facing a lot of scrutiny over their payroll in the collective bargaining negotiations. So there could be more to this story than simply a fallout with Sherman.
 
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There’s some speculation that this roots to Bruce Sherman being unwilling to expand Jeter’s ownership share.

Which makes sense. Jeter was never known for flexibility in his range.
 
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I’m seeing some Jeter stans online saying he rebuilt the Marlins farm system to the #5 system in the game from the bottom (proving, according to the stans, that Jeter “could do this anywhere”).

What do the SoSH-know-centi say about the state of their farm system?
 
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snowmanny said:
"...the vision for the future of the franchise is different than the one I signed up to lead"

I wonder what that means....
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He continued, "I am not getting the respect I am used to. Not once has anyone written about how I am the greatest for doing routine things. I mean Also, when other people in the organization do good things, my intangible contributions are not recognized. They, not me, get credit for what they have done. When I do watch the Marlin games on TV, or listen on radio, frequently right-handed Marlin’s hitter will get base hit to right field and I am not even mentioned by the broadcast crew. Worst of all, when I make a mistake, I am often blamed. Nobody talks about whether the actions I did leading to the mistake were “the right way”. I mean is a lifetime of getting way more credit than you deserve, in a blameless environment too much to be asked?
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Van Everyman said:
I’m seeing some Jeter stans online saying he rebuilt the Marlins farm system to the #5 system in the game from the bottom (proving, according to the stans, that Jeter “could do this anywhere”).

What do the SoSH-know-centi say about the state of their farm system?
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They're not wrong. He's actually done some really good things on the baseball side with the Fish. The farm system is really good, and his hire of Kim Ng was a six-run homer. (As of now, anyway.) And his haul of "not zero" for Giancarlo Stanton was pretty good considering he pretty much had to deal Stanton and basically only had one potential trade partner. The MLB team still looks a little weak, but that's because he actually took a "trust the process" approach, which is a good thing for a team that went almost 20 years between playoff appearances.

On the not baseball side of things....well, that's been a little stranger. His underlings chased the Greensboro Grasshoppers single-A team out of the Marlins' system, and there have been some stupid fights with the city of Miami, including the time that the Marlins tried to claim that they were exempt from city taxes because they were technically based in the British Virgin Islands. And there have been some odd fights with season ticket holders, although that's not new for the Marlins. But his baseball achievements have been surprisingly good.
 
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Hearing rumors that ARod is being brought in as co-CEO so Jeter decided it was finally time to move over. He would never stand in the way of someone who is better than him at all facets of the game to take a lesser role.
 
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Well, to give credit where credit is due, his 4-year tenure record of 218-327 (.490) was better than the previous 4 years - 304-343 (.470). Ouch.
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218-327 is definitely not .490.
 
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The timing of this is very curious.

Either he is selling his shares back to ownership now before an inevitable dip due to lost revenue from the labor strife (not publicly traded, I know, but still) or this has something to do with the Owner's stance during this negotiation.

This can't be unrelated to the labor situation, in my opinion.
 
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Manramsclan said:
The timing of this is very curious.

Either he is selling his shares back to ownership now before an inevitable dip due to lost revenue from the labor strife (not publicly traded, I know, but still) or this has something to do with the Owner's stance during this negotiation.

This can't be unrelated to the labor situation, in my opinion.
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Joel Sherman has a rumor tying it to the lockout.

View: https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1498368516852002818


"Heard Jeter believed going into the lockout that there would be another $10M-$15M that the Marlins would spend on the 2022 roster, and that strategy evaporated during the lockout. It was central to Jeter’s decsion to leave as CEO."
 
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snowmanny said:
"...the vision for the future of the franchise is different than the one I signed up to lead"

I wonder what that means....
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He had no one left to fire (I agree that the hiring of King Ng was a great move though)

This video came out a couple days ago...coincidence, I think not
Video actually talks about his time with the Marlins too. I'm glad he got rid of that horrid home run statue though
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kiAHDbWeCw&ab_channel=BaseballDoesn%27tExist
 
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Van Everyman said:
I’m seeing some Jeter stans online saying he rebuilt the Marlins farm system to the #5 system in the game from the bottom (proving, according to the stans, that Jeter “could do this anywhere”).

What do the SoSH-know-centi say about the state of their farm system?
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I'm not sure what Jeter actually did for MIA, I was under the impression he was more of a figurehead with interest in eventually owning more of the team than he ever was a hands-on personnel guy in any way.

Farm system rankings: these are always wide ranging depending on the source, and IMO they are as inaccurate currently as they've been in a while with no minor league season in 2020 and minimal in-person scouting in 2021. That being said, the one I like the best is the Fangraphs ratings, they have the Marlins at 11th currently. As a counterexample, Chaim Bloom has brought the BOS system up from the bottom to 9th (in those rankings) in a much shorter time, but then again he is an actual hands-on GM.

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2021-in-season-prospect-list/farm-ranking?sort=-1,1&type=100&filter=&pos=&team=
 
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Speculation alert: I wonder if the current fight between players and ownership, which appears to be really rubbing players the wrong way (hey, I said speculation alert), might make it a little uncomfortable to be a person with feet in both camps. I love taking cheap shots at Jeter as much as anyone, but, maybe-just-maybe comrade Jeter is siding with his peers.
 
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Speculation alert: I wonder if the current fight between players and ownership, which appears to be really rubbing players the wrong way (hey, I said speculation alert), might make it a little uncomfortable to be a person with feet in both camps. I love taking cheap shots at Jeter as much as anyone, but, maybe-just-maybe comrade Jeter is siding with his peers.
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I dunno. I'm guessing players like former players in ownership groups.
 
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jon abbey said:
I'm not sure what Jeter actually did for MIA, I was under the impression he was more of a figurehead with interest in eventually owning more of the team than he ever was a hands-on personnel guy in any way.

Farm system rankings: these are always wide ranging depending on the source, and IMO they are as inaccurate currently as they've been in a while with no minor league season in 2020 and minimal in-person scouting in 2021. That being said, the one I like the best is the Fangraphs ratings, they have the Marlins at 11th currently. As a counterexample, Chaim Bloom has brought the BOS system up from the bottom to 9th (in those rankings) in a much shorter time, but then again he is an actual hands-on GM.

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2021-in-season-prospect-list/farm-ranking?sort=-1,1&type=100&filter=&pos=&team=
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In semi-fairness, while Jeter was around, the Marlins also acquired youngsters who’ve graduated from prospect lists at this point like Chisholm and Alcantara. If there is a 2022 season, the Marlins are a decent bet to play the “Young Team Putting Everyone On Notice” role like last year’s Tigers or the 2019 White Sox. Now, that said, I agree with you that it’s not clear how much of a role Jeter played in any of this.

EDIT: He did have two iPads in his office...

 
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Can't wait for him to show up on ESPN's "Greatest Baseball Executives" doc in a few years.
 
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Derek Jeter’s record as an executive/owner of Florida Marlins:
2018: 63-98, .391 W%, no playoffs
2019: 57-105, .352 W%, no playoffs
2020: 31-29, .517 W%, no playoffs
2021: 67-95, .414 W%, no playoffs
Total: 218-327, .400 W%, 0 of 4 years in playoffs

Nomar Garciaparra’s record as executive/owner of LAFC:
2018: 16-9-9, .640 W%, playoffs
2019: 21-4-9, .840 W%, playoffs
2020: 9-8-5, .529 W%, playoffs
2021: 12-13-9, .480 W%, no playoffs
Total: 58-34-32, .630 W%, 3 of 4 years in playoffs

Nomar’s better.
 
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