Jets HC Saleh Fired
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Can't imagine this actually happening. Bill is going to wait for the off-season to see options and pick the best spot.
Friend of mine in the Indie Wrestling world who used to be pretty close with CM Punk has NOTHING good to say about him these days.
Yeah, I get that, but he appears to have been pretty completely hamstrung by his GM/Owner.... which is one reason I think there is no chance Bill Belichick is going there.
First in season coaching change for the NYJ since Holtz quit in 76 with a game to go in the season
People have extremely strong feelings on Punk--but generally speaking he comes across like a miserable dude that thinks he is above all of his peers and constantly upset that people are not listening to him. He had a complete meltdown during a post-show press conference a few years ago that gave off the same kind of energy that Rodgers gives off in his pressers.
@luckiestman what's the glass half full take on this move? Ulrich comes in but just does defense, Hackett and AR have free reign on offense that somehow has been limited by Saleh's interference?
I know this is said in jest and I am of the view that it isn't going to happen.
That said, I would be fascinated to see how a BB/Rodgers pairing would play out. My guess is that the odds of it ending badly are much higher than the team putting together a run but I would take either outcome.
Josh came in as a kind of consultant right? I could see that. I think it sends a pretty shitty message to your staff to bring him in as DC. I also think he might just want to take a break, or act in the background but not have DC responsibility after this rather abrupt change in his circumstances.
I always thought the Pats should have made a play for Rodgers back in 2020.
Also, when McDaniels was hired as offensive consultant, Bill O'Brien had already accepted the head coaching position at Penn State.
On the one hand, it does give him the opportunity to spend time with all those kids he has. But I guess if the Niners came calling, a guy with that many mouths to feed can't turn down an opportunity to work.
I feel bad for Saleh, seems like a good guy and a good defensive mind. Fuck the Jets but he still seems like an OK person. I like the idea of hiring an offensive coach as your HC. If your offensive coordinator is any good, he gets poached by another team as the HC. If you are considering BB, your first question is who would be his OC.
I would guess BB is one of the few people Rodgers respects enough to actually listen to, or at least not second-guess, BB. At the same time, I think BB would basically let Rodgers/Hackett do whatever they want so long as they get results (note: I have no idea how much input Saleh had on the offensive side and may have already been doing this). Rodgers might be old and coming off an injury, but this team has enough offensive firepower and a good enough defense to make the playoffs and have a punchers chance. BB was a master at optimizing teams like that and the winning would cure a lot of what ails the team and Rodgers specifically.
Gets me thinking about past Pats' coaching staffs...
Would you rather have:
HC Bill Parcells, AHC Bill Belichick, OC Ray Perkins, DC Al Groh, with Romeo Crennel (DL) and Charlie Weis (TEs) as assistants
or
HC Bill Belichick, OC Charlie Weis, DC Romeo Crennel, with Brian Daboll (WRs), Brian Flores (Scouting), Eric Mangini (DB), Josh McDaniels (QB), Matt Patricia (Offense), and Dean Pees (LB)
or
HC Bill Belichick, OC Josh McDaniels, DC Matt Patricia, with Brian Daboll (TEs), Brian Flores (S), Joe Judge (ST), and Chad O'Shea (WR) as assistants
Would you rather have:
HC Bill Parcells, AHC Bill Belichick, OC Ray Perkins, DC Al Groh, with Romeo Crennel (DL) and Charlie Weis (TEs) as assistants
or
HC Bill Belichick, OC Charlie Weis, DC Romeo Crennel, with Brian Daboll (WRs), Brian Flores (Scouting), Eric Mangini (DB), Josh McDaniels (QB), Matt Patricia (Offense), and Dean Pees (LB)
or
HC Bill Belichick, OC Josh McDaniels, DC Matt Patricia, with Brian Daboll (TEs), Brian Flores (S), Joe Judge (ST), and Chad O'Shea (WR) as assistants
Jets going to Jet. This is great.
Saleh went 7-10 last year with Zach Wilson and Trevor Semien and a defense that was ranked even better than the Patriots. Even this year -- tiny sample, obviously -- their defense remains one of the best in the NFL: fewest yards allowed (of any team that has played 5 games), 2nd fewest passing yards/game allowed, top 5 in points/game allowed, etc.
I'm not saying Saleh was the greatest coach in the league, but he always came across well -- and I for some reason loved when he revealed that he puts a piece of pie next to his bed when he goes to sleep the night before Thanksgiving so he can wake up and immediately eat pie. That alone means he's an innovator to me.
As someone rooting against the Jets I'm thrilled with this chaos.
Saleh went 7-10 last year with Zach Wilson and Trevor Semien and a defense that was ranked even better than the Patriots. Even this year -- tiny sample, obviously -- their defense remains one of the best in the NFL: fewest yards allowed (of any team that has played 5 games), 2nd fewest passing yards/game allowed, top 5 in points/game allowed, etc.
I'm not saying Saleh was the greatest coach in the league, but he always came across well -- and I for some reason loved when he revealed that he puts a piece of pie next to his bed when he goes to sleep the night before Thanksgiving so he can wake up and immediately eat pie. That alone means he's an innovator to me.
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The same could be said of Aaron Hernandez. Doesn't make me feel any better about ever having rooted for him.
Didn't think so. Let's get this person some access so they can talk some wrestling.
I think if I say this without a value judgment, it doesn't become a V&N post. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Saleh wore a Lebanese flag patch on his shoulder during the game last week and there was some outspoken unhappiness about that in the political rage-o-sphere. I wonder if that made Woody's decision easier.
This has slight shades of the Brian Flores tenure without the bribery, clandestine yacht meetings, or QB undercutting.
An excellent defensive guy that never was able to figure out the offensive side. Saleh will likely have his pick of DC openings anywhere in the league, should he choose to do that. He might need a year or two to get the stench of Wilson and Rodgers off of him.
An excellent defensive guy that never was able to figure out the offensive side. Saleh will likely have his pick of DC openings anywhere in the league, should he choose to do that. He might need a year or two to get the stench of Wilson and Rodgers off of him.
My guess is it would end in a fist fight in about 45 seconds. Belichick isn't putting up with Rodgers' shit and Rodgers is too set in his ways (everybody kowtows to him) to change.
I’m not going to go all V&N outside of V&N, but there are possibly other reasons why Saleh was fired. I’ll post there about it.
Defensive minded head coaches who aren’t paired with top tier innovative OC’s tend to fail at a higher rate than offensive minded HC
Tomlin and McDermott are really the only active ones I can think of who have pulled it off.
Tomlin and McDermott are really the only active ones I can think of who have pulled it off.
Was the patch new? The NFL has let coaches wear flag patches representing their heritage for a while now--Belichick had Croatian patches toward the end of his tenure.
I’m curious how to look this up. Of HC fired Mid-season, were any playing for first place in their division the following game?
Rodgers is a weirdo because he believes in conspiracy theories
Also, Saleh was fired for a heritage flag he is allowed to wear not because he is 20-36 or whatever losing to a QB who got traded his first year or getting clowned by Denver @ home coming off 10 days rest.
Doesn't he keep getting paid his Jets contract while he sits at home and eats RingDings?
Right.
This is also one of the earliest NFL HC firings I can remember?
In MLB, interim managers feel much more common (although happy to be told that's wrong). Sox fans -- well, Sox fans over ~45 years old -- always reference Morgan Magic in '88. I remember the Marlins won the WS in '03 with Jack McKeon getting hired on May 11 (when they were under .500), and the Phillies making the WS in '22 after firing Girardi and bringing on Rob Thomson. I'm sure there are other examples.
Gimme the first one. Anytime you get both Bills you take them. Parcells won a SB with Jeff Hostetler.
I think so, yes. I don't know if he was with the Parcells coaching staff though. I'm sure someone here knows.
Not to "me too", but, uh, me too. I post regularly on Reddit's /r/squaredcircle.
For those unfamiliar, CM Punk is deeply polarizing. He was annointed indie wrestling's savior (along with Samoe Joe and Bryan Danielson) in the 00's, and brought his cred and act with him to WWE.
After some initial forays as smirky face and self-righteous heel, he was given full reign to denigrate VKM, redoing his "Summer of Punk" run to the championship and faked departure from the fed. The sore feelings from fallout of this eventually led to a deeply personal firing of Punk, which spawned lawsuits over money and medical malfeasance, and years away from the sport.
In 2021, he joined AEW, WWE's upstart rival, to huge fanfare and champion status, but repeated injuries and ego collisions with wrestlers-in-management caused him to literally fight his co-workers not once, but twice, and eventually lead to another firing. He rejoined WWE in short order (a real Hell Freezes Over moment, though VKM was out at this point), got hurt yet again, but managed to maintain the best feud of the year with an able-bodied Scottish brute by constant taunts and interference, which lead to a cage match that Punk won last weekend. He's now on an apparent planned hiatus to get well again.
Wrestlers are actors though, and can take time off to heal up and still help their sport. Rodgers has to face real adversaries each week, and looks more and more limited against non-Pats teams, so someone had to pay the price. RIP Saleh.
Mangenius called it?
View: https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1843673965774131572
Last week, Eric Mangini predicted Woody Johnson would be “pissed off” by a loss in London because friends from his time as US Ambassador to the UK would be in attendance.
View: https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1843673965774131572
Last week, Eric Mangini predicted Woody Johnson would be “pissed off” by a loss in London because friends from his time as US Ambassador to the UK would be in attendance.
If Ulbrich demotes/gets rid of Hackett, does AR get Ulbrich let go too? Not sure that a football team has had 3 HCs in one season before, but if any team was going to do it... well, I would have guessed the Browns, but the Jets are like 1B.
Just looked, he was here but not the OL coach.
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