Jets HC Saleh Fired

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Doesn't he keep getting paid his Jets contract while he sits at home and eats RingDings?
For sure, but I’m assuming people who get paid a certain amount and have big families probably are used to a different standard of living than most of us. If you’re being paid millions, it’s hard to tell your kids they can’t have certain things.
 

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If Ulbrich demotes/gets rid of Hackett, does AR get Ulbrich let go too? Not sure that a football team has had 3 HCs in one season before, but if any team was going to do it... well, I would have guessed the Browns, but the Jets are like 1B.
I would love to see that happen just for the drama. But I would be shocked if Aaron’s handpicked OC is let go/demoted.
 

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Just saw a post on IG that said that Saleh was escorted out by security and wasn't allowed to talk to players or coaches on his way out. Not sure if that's true but if so, holy crap.
 

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Just saw a post on IG that said that Saleh was escorted out by security and wasn't allowed to talk to players or coaches on his way out. Not sure if that's true but if so, holy crap.
If that’s not standard practice, that’s all sorts of awful. He is supposedly a nice guy. If the fear was that he would make a scene, it doesn’t seem credible.
 

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Right.

This is also one of the earliest NFL HC firings I can remember?

In MLB, interim managers feel much more common (although happy to be told that's wrong). Sox fans -- well, Sox fans over ~45 years old -- always reference Morgan Magic in '88. I remember the Marlins won the WS in '03 with Jack McKeon getting hired on May 11 (when they were under .500), and the Phillies making the WS in '22 after firing Girardi and bringing on Rob Thomson. I'm sure there are other examples.
George fired Yogi after 16 games in 85 to bring Billy back for the 73rd time.
He fired Bob Lemon after 14 games in 82

That's like getting fired after 1-2 NFL games.
 

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to be clear, I wasn’t suggesting the story wasn’t credible, just the fear that Saleh might make a scene if he had been allowed to talk to his coaches and players. Not only is he a good guy, but he’s also a guy who from this point is in search of his next job. Burning bridges never helps with that.

So just a bad job by the Jets there.
 

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Just saw a post on IG that said that Saleh was escorted out by security and wasn't allowed to talk to players or coaches on his way out. Not sure if that's true but if so, holy crap.
this is standard but this story has also been walked back a bit so who knows.
 

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to be clear, I wasn’t suggesting the story wasn’t credible, just the fear that Saleh might make a scene if he had been allowed to talk to his coaches and players. Not only is he a good guy, but he’s also a guy who from this point is in search of his next job. Burning bridges never helps with that.

So just a bad job by the Jets there.
Yep, we're on the same page here. I just gave the link because I needed to look it up to verify what I saw on IG. Appears to be a true story.
 

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Right.

This is also one of the earliest NFL HC firings I can remember?

In MLB, interim managers feel much more common (although happy to be told that's wrong). Sox fans -- well, Sox fans over ~45 years old -- always reference Morgan Magic in '88. I remember the Marlins won the WS in '03 with Jack McKeon getting hired on May 11 (when they were under .500), and the Phillies making the WS in '22 after firing Girardi and bringing on Rob Thomson. I'm sure there are other examples.
Paul Owens firing Pat Corrales in July and taking managerial duties himself in 1983 for the Phillies and geting to the WS comes to mind.
 

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Gets me thinking about past Pats' coaching staffs...

Would you rather have:

HC Bill Parcells, AHC Bill Belichick, OC Ray Perkins, DC Al Groh, with Romeo Crennel (DL) and Charlie Weis (TEs) as assistants

or

HC Bill Belichick, OC Charlie Weis, DC Romeo Crennel, with Brian Daboll (WRs), Brian Flores (Scouting), Eric Mangini (DB), Josh McDaniels (QB), Matt Patricia (Offense), and Dean Pees (LB)

or

HC Bill Belichick, OC Josh McDaniels, DC Matt Patricia, with Brian Daboll (TEs), Brian Flores (S), Joe Judge (ST), and Chad O'Shea (WR) as assistants
Cheating a bit but swap Flores with Patrica or well Flores and his (S) was it a BB kid? And that is my pick.
 

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I typically like Cimini, but this just further highlights the compete and utter delusional "finally be have a good QB!" fanboy'ing that has gone on with this whole team outlook from the start. Out of both the media loving those extra clicks, and 99% of the fanbase that literally cheered for this exact most probable of all the 2024 outcomes for over a year now.

We STILL aren't at a point were people can finally be more readily willing to acknowledge they were both wrong, and that Rodgers is indeed the main villian in this rebuild killing saga. Hiring a competent OC was always the more important piece of this puzzle we got wrong and did backwards from the start. Own it already and stop posting protect the savior narrative tweets and/or takes like that one.

Firing Saleh and keeping Hackett makes the Sox hire of Bobby Valentine look completely sane and logical even with the benefit of hindsight.
 

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I might have heard this wrong on NFL Radio (looking for a source), but apparently in the SB Era, the only team to change head coaches midseason and make the playoffs was the Raiders in the year of the Gruden debacle
 

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I typically like Cimini, but this just further highlights the compete and utter delusional "finally be have a good QB!" fanboy'ing that has gone on with this whole team outlook from the start. Out of both the media loving those extra clicks, and 99% of the fanbase that literally cheered for this exact most probable of all the 2024 outcomes for over a year now.

We STILL aren't at a point were people can finally be more readily willing to acknowledge they were both wrong, and that Rodgers is indeed the main villian in this rebuild killing saga. Hiring a competent OC was always the more important piece of this puzzle we got wrong and did backwards from the start. Own it already and stop posting protect the savior narrative tweets and/or takes like that one.

Firing Saleh and keeping Hackett makes the Sox hire of Bobby Valentine look completely sane and logical even with the benefit of hindsight.
This does look headed for a disaster, which as a Pats fan is comforting in a misery loves company and payback for the atrocious loss in January 2011 kind of way, but I'm curious, do you think any approach with Rodgers could have worked or was this really doomed from the start?
 

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Reading a bunch of these reports on X it sounds like Saleh was about to fire Rodgers security blanket Hackett, but Rodgers stepped in and had Saleh fired instead.
 

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This does look headed for a disaster, which as a Pats fan is comforting in a misery loves company and payback for the atrocious loss in January 2011 kind of way, but I'm curious, do you think any approach with Rodgers could have worked or was this really doomed from the start?
If Rodgers stayed healthy that first season and they made it past the first round of the playoffs, this would have worked. I am sure at that point Rodgers really wanted to stick it to the Pack and "the haterz" or whatever and Saleh could have provided a defense. But then Rodgers gets injured, Saleh gets exposed a bit, Rodgers is implicitly told that he can run the team as he wants before producing any results and that was it.
 

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I might have heard this wrong on NFL Radio (looking for a source), but apparently in the SB Era, the only team to change head coaches midseason and make the playoffs was the Raiders in the year of the Gruden debacle
Good teams or potential playoff teams aren't firing their coaches. And coaches rarely get fired this early too, so most firings mid-season are teams that are completely out of it late in the season. So this stat looks damning for the Jets but it might not be.

Saleh is not a good coach and his teams continually underperform. I'm not sure Rodgers at age 1 million is the answer, but Saleh wasn't helping this team.
 

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Now we just need to tie the story to Deflategate and then we can wrap this thread up.
I got you.
A couple years before deflategate, during a Packers game, the announcers mentioned that A-A-Ron liked the balls overinflated, so he regularly instructed the equipment crew to over-inflate the footballs after the refs had checked them.
 

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I feel the Jets issue is pretty simple: The offensive line hasn't been able to open up holes for the run game, and Rodgers doesn't have the mobility and athleticism to make the kind of dangerous plays that he has thrived off of throughout his career. They were banking on a 40 year old QB, coming off a major injury, who had already showed signs of decline before he was injured.
 

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Saleh had 30+ starts of Zack Wilson as his QB - how is that his fault?

By all accounts, he seemed like a decent coach. Happy that the Jets got rid of him to be honest.
 

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Saleh had 30+ starts of Zack Wilson as his QB - how is that his fault?

By all accounts, he seemed like a decent coach. Happy that the Jets got rid of him to be honest.
"By all accounts"? I can't think of a head coach who was as universally thought of as bad in recent years as Saleh. Everyone took shots at the guy.
 

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"By all accounts"? I can't think of a head coach who was as universally thought of as bad in recent years as Saleh. Everyone took shots at the guy.
I thought it was about average for a Jets coach. The thing is the Jets get a lot of coverage for a bad team, because "New York" and also because a lot of people in major media positions are either Jets fans (Greenberg) or Giants fans who hate the Jets (Francesca). Add that guys like Greeny always trick themselves into believing it isn't a tire fire franchise... well must be the coach's fault.
 

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"By all accounts"? I can't think of a head coach who was as universally thought of as bad in recent years as Saleh. Everyone took shots at the guy.
Are we not counting Urban Meyer (and I understand if we're not) or is 2021 not recent?
 

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Are we not counting Urban Meyer (and I understand if we're not) or is 2021 not recent?
Yeah I was kinda thinking of the last 2-3 years. Just seemed like all the NFL media I’ve consumed agreed that Saleh stunk. But maybe that’s just me.
 

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Yeah I was kinda thinking of the last 2-3 years. Just seemed like all the NFL media I’ve consumed agreed that Saleh stunk. But maybe that’s just me.
I didn't notice much, what I saw was a lot of people who assumed he was a dead man walking who was just there to eventually take the fall for failure. I will say despite the good D, I don't think he had many passionate backers either, it was mostly "well it's the Rodgers show now, he's gonna be fired as soon as they fail or Rodgers wants him out"
 

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That's OK -- I've pivoted to this conspiracy theory:

[AwfulAnnouncing] Last week, Eric Mangini predicted Woody Johnson would be “pissed off” by a loss in London because friends from his time as US Ambassador to the UK would be in attendance.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1fz5kqh/awfulannouncing_last_week_eric_mangini_predicted/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
 

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as a broncos this move basiccy takes the jets out of playoffs basiccy the NFL has a nightmare on their hands where 5 of the 7 afc playoff teams are known and DEN/LAC has a 60/40 shot for the other 2 before mid oct
 

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do you think any approach with Rodgers could have worked or was this really doomed from the start?
Absolutely not and once the white flag was raised on any attempt to put somebody with a clue on offense into that coaching room who even had a remote chance to make it a second season without half the fanbase wanting him fired.

Do that, *THEN* figure out what makes the most sense on who your QB is going to be. If it couldn't be Rodgers without a historically bad Hackett it never made a lick of common sense for it to be a 40yo Rodgers. People wanted the lazy shortcut around that with the Rodgers "name". It doesn't work.
 

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This does look headed for a disaster, which as a Pats fan is comforting in a misery loves company and payback for the atrocious loss in January 2011 kind of way, but I'm curious, do you think any approach with Rodgers could have worked or was this really doomed from the start?
I still don’t understand why he angled for a trade into the AFC with Mahomes still at his peak and likely having to battle through a combination of known quantities like Allen, Burrow and Jackson just to reach the Divisional round, much less the AFCCG.
 

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So what’s the plan for the Jets after Rodgers gives up
football after this season to become a darkness retreat guru?