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On to the Jets. Hope Hightower is back to help stop Ivory. I'd assume Marshall gets the Butler/McCourty or Harmon double coverage treatment if they go man. I'd play the same two deep shell as a lot of last night and dare Fitzpatrick to dink and dunk.

Offensively, it will be the biggest challenge for the line all year. Need to spread out their LBs and exploit those matchups.
 

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This is a very dangerous Jets team. FO had them 6th in football going into this week, primarily due to their 2nd ranked defense.

I expect Belichick will be popping in the tape of his pal Chip Kelly's Eagles when they beat the Jets a few weeks ago. This should be a fascinating Xs and Os matchup.
 

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Jets have to limit mistakes. They are tough to go the length of the field against. But they kept the skins in the game yesterday. It was a convincing win but it should have been a much worse beating. Every point the skins had was off a turnover.
Of course, all teams need to limit mistakes so that sounds like coach speak but it's very true for the jets because if they have to pass, they're in serious trouble. They can pass but only if opposition is kept honest. Fitz seems to under throw deep balls so I'm not sure forcing dink and dunk would be to the pats advantage.

I'm interested to see how the pats protect Brady.
 

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From what I've seen from the Jets offensively it begins and ends with stopping two players, Ivory and Marshall.Is that simplistic ? Sure and stopping Ivory won't be a picnic or easy. Hightower availability will be huge.Marshall I think can be frustrated and I think Fitz will makes some bonheaded plays. 
 
On the offensive side of the ball the blitzes from Bowles will be intriguing and tougher to scheme for. DRC has seemed to slip a bit this year. Skrine had an injury so his availability will be big. Also will be curious to see where Revis lines up and how Brady attacks or avoids him. Their front 4 is probably not worth the time to run on similar to Buff, but I could be mistaken there. 
 

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Marshall to me can get taken out of a game and when he does he shuts it down. See the Bears game last year against the Patriots. He was a dog in that one.
 

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Marshall to me can get taken out of a game and when he does he shuts it down. See the Bears game last year against the Patriots. He was a dog in that one.
 
You don't think that had anything to do with the Bears being a dumpster fire and getting killed that game?
 

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If the Jets do not run Ivory up the middle 30 times, they should fire the coaching staff.  
 
Pats D needs to focus on the run. Force Fitzpatrick to make plays to beat you.
 

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You don't think that had anything to do with the Bears being a dumpster fire and getting killed that game?
 
He was a dog the entire game from the start to finish. If he's getting covered he shuts it down plain and simple.
 

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Marshall to me can get taken out of a game and when he does he shuts it down. See the Bears game last year against the Patriots. He was a dog in that one.
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I haven't watched him enough before this year, does he normally look like his QB is his best friend in the world? He seems to have a lot of chemistry with Fitz. Last I remember something like this was Penny and Coles.
 

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He was a dog the entire game from the start to finish. If he's getting covered he shuts it down plain and simple.
 
I don't think one can amass over 10,000 yards shutting it down if they're getting covered, but maybe that's just me.
 

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If the Jets do not run Ivory up the middle 30 times, they should fire the coaching staff.  
 
Pats D needs to focus on the run. Force Fitzpatrick to make plays to beat you.
And account for him as a scrambler too; don't be fooled by the degree and the beard.

Ivory, Marshall and him.
 

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From what I've seen from the Jets offensively it begins and ends with stopping two players, Ivory and Marshall.Is that simplistic ? Sure and stopping Ivory won't be a picnic or easy. Hightower availability will be huge.Marshall I think can be frustrated and I think Fitz will makes some bonheaded plays. 
 
On the offensive side of the ball the blitzes from Bowles will be intriguing and tougher to scheme for. DRC has seemed to slip a bit this year. Skrine had an injury so his availability will be big. Also will be curious to see where Revis lines up and how Brady attacks or avoids him. Their front 4 is probably not worth the time to run on similar to Buff, but I could be mistaken there. 
 
Don't sleep on Eric Decker, he has a TD in every game he has played and is a match-up nightmare for our relatively undersized DB's.  If you double Marshall I'm not sure how you cover 6'5" Decker.  
 

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Pats have seen Fitzy a bunch of times.  Usually they try to 1) make sure he stays in the pocket and has to beat them from there, like they focus on with most QBs with any running ability and 2) they make him throw the ball downfield because his arm strength is suspect and his decision making is bad so he'll give you the ball.  This game is a little scary given the injuries the last two weeks, but its less scary when you consider the Jets are probably going to give the Pats the ball 3 or 4 times.
 
EDIT: Looks like 16 picks in 6 games against NE from 2010-2012. 
 

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Pats have seen Fitzy a bunch of times.  Usually they try to 1) make sure he stays in the pocket and has to beat them from there, like they focus on with most QBs with any running ability and 2) they make him throw the ball downfield because his arm strength is suspect and his decision making is bad so he'll give you the ball.  This game is a little scary given the injuries the last two weeks, but its less scary when you consider the Jets are probably going to give the Pats the ball 3 or 4 times.
Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of the Jets this year, but from what I've seen they really rely on the run game and short passing patterns, with the occasional deep shot downfield to the big WR targets in favorable coverage.

Does that wash for people who watch more of them?

I'll be especially interested to read the ITP guys this week -- interested to see what they've been doing and how to stop it (which I actually think we're well positioned to do, with a big front and good coverage safeties).
 

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And account for him as a scrambler too; don't be fooled by the degree and the beard.

Ivory, Marshall and him.
They just saw Andrew Luck, they know that QBs with fancy degrees and beards can run.
 

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The Jets are really good, and love Ivory and their DL, in particular. I think defensively you have to let Fitz try to beat you -- he's inaccurate both short and long. I'd play the LBers close to the LOS both to stop his scrambles and to stop Ivory, who is a stud. On offense I agree with whomever said the same plan as vs Buffalo: pass, pass, and pass some more. Don't know Skrine's status but Cromartie and Revis look worse than last year (not that Revis, in particular, looks bad -- just not quite as much a stud). Revis on Edelman would really be a fun match-up to watch; I'd have to like Revis' chances, unfortunately, but be a real test to see if Revis is still as quick as ever. Be curious how Bowles has them match-up.
 

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With the Jets not having a capable TE, Patrick Chung is going to be able to be kept in the box a lot more to help out with the run.  I mentioned the two-deep shell look, but more and more I wonder if they go with more of a 4-4 cover 1 look with Collins, Hightower, Mayo or Freeny, and Chung in a hybrid role.  The way this gets screwed up is if they start passing out of their bigger run formations and the Jets WR's beat the 1-on-1 coverage.
 

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There should be some reinforcements available for this game.  LaFell, Chris Jones, and Fletcher are all eligible to come off the PUP.
 

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Hopefully Sheard and Hightower are back to put pressure on the QB. Don't let their receivers have long to create separation.
 

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The Jets could win this win this one if they stay away from the mistakes. Something they are getting better at now that they've gotten away from Rex. 
 
Bowles has got them playing well, and they definitely have the talent to pull off the upset. 
 
Definitely not a gimme game, and I would bet this will be another one of those inexplicable nail biters the Pats have against the Jets every couple of games where one big play either way takes this game. 
 

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Fitzpatrick has been terrible against the Patriots -- more turnovers against than any other team, by a large margin.
 
He's also had great running backs throughout his career: the Bills tandem, Arian Foster, and (crappy) Chris Johnson.
 
Whatever the Patriots ran against the Bills, Titans, and Texans, I'd like to see them repeat it.
 

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First consideration: Patriots injuries (Hightower, Cannon, Sheard, Slater, Edelman)
Second consideration: Not only are the Jets playing better, but under Bowles they look far more disciplined and professional. Unless Fitzpatrick has an off game, they're not going to give the Pats any help through foolishness.
 
I fully expect the Pats and Jets to split their games this season, so a loss here isn't going to be a surprise.
 

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There should be some reinforcements available for this game.  LaFell, Chris Jones, and Fletcher are all eligible to come off the PUP.
I completely spaced Fletcher, that's a big upgrade from Freeney and Zombie Mayo. If Bostic picks up the system, I wouldn't be shocked to see Bill suckering some team into giving up a late pick for Mayo based on past reputation.

The big worry this week is Edelman. He needs to have a big game against this defense, similar to the Superbowl, and he's probably going to take a lot of punishment. I'm interested to see who that put on Gronk. Cromartie? That's what I'd do I think.
 

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Rapoport's lack of inclusion of Slater is a worry, for sure. But this is otherwise good to read.
 
Is Slater's issue the ankle or the knee? In game it seemed like an ankle, but this morning  I thought I heard knee?
 

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Slater was shown standing on the sideline during the last minute of play (i.e., after being helped off the field).  What can we make of that?  Anything?  That is, if he blew out his knee, would/could he have been standing on it? 
 

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fivethirtyeight.com (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2015-nfl-predictions/) gives the Pats an 84% chance of winning this game next week based on their ELO ratings, though it's a little back-loaded and doesn't consider injuries apart from their direct impact on game outcomes. That said, ELO also has the Jets as the 15th best team in the league as of this morning, behind PIT, Indy, and Dallas who we've already beaten, and right above Buffalo. Obviously a huge grain of salt/error bars in effect here, but at home you have to like our chances.
 

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Slater was shown standing on the sideline during the last minute of play (i.e., after being helped off the field).  What can we make of that?  Anything?  That is, if he blew out his knee, would/could he have been standing on it? 
Not that I'm an orthopedist, but if it's an MCL (knock on wood that it's not), he'll stand and walk on it... he just won't really be effective at running and planting/turning... but let's just agree that Slater is fine.
 

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LeGarrette Blount another Patriot player who didn't escape last night unscathed. X-rays required today on unspecified injury.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
First consideration: Patriots injuries (Hightower, Cannon, Sheard, Slater, Edelman)
Second consideration: Not only are the Jets playing better, but under Bowles they look far more disciplined and professional. Unless Fitzpatrick has an off game, they're not going to give the Pats any help through foolishness.
 
I fully expect the Pats and Jets to split their games this season, so a loss here isn't going to be a surprise.
I would be surprise if the Jets beat the Pats in Foxborough. They haven't played a murderer's row schedule. Luck is the best QB they have seen so far.
 

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I'm glad we get NYJ at home first this year. Not much film on them under Bowles, awesome D, and a few more playmakers on offense than in the past. I expect @NYJ to be one of the toughest games of the year, with both teams still in the hunt, so at least it will be late in the season and Bill will have the first matchup and lots more info to prep with.

That said, the home game should be very tough as well. A healthy Cannon makes a big difference. I think this is a game where Lewis and Amendola will need to earn their keep.

The problem with using Cro on Gronk is that they will run at him. Though with the Jets' front 7 that may be a gamble they can take.

For those hoping to see the offense show its ability to salt a game away, I wouldn't hold your breath this week. Expect more conservative playcalling if we are up in the 2nd half. With a makeshift OL and facing an aggressive defense, the risk of turnovers is too great.

My guess is they would prefer a lot of 3WR sets with Lewis if the protection will hold up. If not, they'll need to bring in Williams and mix it up more. Would be nice to see them throw to LGBT off play action a few times to make things less obvious when he's in the game.

I'll say 27-21 Pats with a Fitz pick on the final drive to seal a nailbiter.
 

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espn: Jets DE Sheldon Richardson isn't afraid of heading to Foxboro next week to take on the undefeated Patriots. Said Richardson: "We're licking our chops. ... Our confidence is really high. We're not on no high horse, but you're supposed to have confidence in yourself." The Jets haven't beaten the Pats in Foxboro in the regular season since Week 11 of 2008 and haven't beaten Tom Brady there in the regular season since 2006.
 

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This is a very dangerous Jets team. FO had them 6th in football going into this week, primarily due to their 2nd ranked defense.

I expect Belichick will be popping in the tape of his pal Chip Kelly's Eagles when they beat the Jets a few weeks ago. This should be a fascinating Xs and Os matchup.
 
Just watched the highlights of that game.  The "tape" will show that Ivory didn't play, Sproles returned a punt for a TD and Brandon Marshall had the at the time worst play of the NFL when he lateralled the ball off an Eagles player for a terrible turnover.
PHI didn't really do anything in the game besides a few nice runs from Matthews.  Bradford was terrible completing around 50% of his passes for under 150yards.  
 
The key was Special teams and 3 Fitzy INTs.
 

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Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe  4m4 minutes ago
Didn't sound good last night. MRI today.
https://twitter.com/jcarmona24/status/656185653185654785 …
 

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter  25s25 seconds ago
Jets WR Quincy Enunwa suspended without pay for the team’s next four games for violating the NFL Personal Conduct Policy.
 

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Pretty surprised to see NE open as 9pt favorites next Sunday.
I can't bring myself to bet against NE but if ever there was a time this would be it.
 
Just don't see NE beating NYJ by more than one score.  
 

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Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe  4m4 minutes ago

Didn't sound good last night. MRI today.
https://twitter.com/jcarmona24/status/656185653185654785 …
 
This isn't loading for me--can you share what it says?
 

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This isn't loading for me--can you share what it says?
Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe  31m31 minutes ago
This was a question about Slater...
 
 
 
"Didn't sound good last night. MRI today." was what Jeff Howe tweeted
 

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I think the matchup is OK for the Patriots on offense.  The Jets have a great defense overall but they haven't been particularly good at rushing the passer (eight sacks total, 19th in adjusted sack rate coming into this weekend when they only got one more sack).  I expect us to concede the run (against which the D is amazing) and for Brady to spend most of the game trying to exploit matchups against whoever is being covered by Skrine, Davis, or Harris.
 
On defense, the big question is whether we can stop the run.  The Jets run out of 3 WR sets a lot but their TEs and 3rd WR candidates largely suck.  So I'm curious to see how we match up in that situation.  I expect us to stay in base some of the time and play a "big nickel" with Chung/McCourty/Harmon some of the time.
 

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I was just looking at Jets stats and they have targeted TEs a whopping five times this year, producing two catches (both by Cumberland) and 10 yards.  They play a TE on almost every snap.  I'm not sure what proportion of the time the TE actually goes into a pattern but its essentially a six man line.
 

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Pretty surprised to see NE open as 9pt favorites next Sunday.
I can't bring myself to bet against NE but if ever there was a time this would be it.
 
Just don't see NE beating NYJ by more than one score.  
Judging from the pre-game chatter here, a few or more of us took it in the shorts by laying 9 for last night's game. If anyone lays 9 for this one, there may be sympathy, a little, but nothing more. This is the coming-of- age game under Bowles.
 

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Just watched the highlights of that game.  The "tape" will show that Ivory didn't play, Sproles returned a punt for a TD and Brandon Marshall had the at the time worst play of the NFL when he lateralled the ball off an Eagles player for a terrible turnover.
PHI didn't really do anything in the game besides a few nice runs from Matthews.  Bradford was terrible completing around 50% of his passes for under 150yards.  
 
The key was Special teams and 3 Fitzy INTs.
Decker also missed this game.
 

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I think the matchup is OK for the Patriots on offense.  The Jets have a great defense overall but they haven't been particularly good at rushing the passer (eight sacks total, 19th in adjusted sack rate coming into this weekend when they only got one more sack).  I expect us to concede the run (against which the D is amazing) and for Brady to spend most of the game trying to exploit matchups against whoever is being covered by Skrine, Davis, or Harris.
 
On defense, the big question is whether we can stop the run.  The Jets run out of 3 WR sets a lot but their TEs and 3rd WR candidates largely suck.  So I'm curious to see how we match up in that situation.  I expect us to stay in base some of the time and play a "big nickel" with Chung/McCourty/Harmon some of the time.
They did just get back arguably their best pass rusher in Richardson.  I would not expect Brady to have a clean pocket for most of the game.  
 

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Judging from the pre-game chatter here, a few or more of us took it in the shorts by laying 9 for last night's game. If anyone lays 9 for this one, there may be sympathy, a little, but nothing more. This is the coming-of- age game under Bowles.
 
Would have been a great game for splitting the uprights, though.