Rosey Ruzicka said:
And coming off the substance abuse suspension, to boot. If this doesn't test the limits of avoiding being a "delusional Patriots fan" nothing will.
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And coming off the substance abuse suspension, to boot. If this doesn't test the limits of avoiding being a "delusional Patriots fan" nothing will.
soxhop411 said:
And his quote in context..... “We can’t allow one game to be bigger than the other. Do we realize the type of player we’re playing against? Yes, we do. But you don’t change. We’ve got to be 1-0 this week, regardless of who it is – Brady – regardless of who we’re playing.”
I know it's these guys jobs, but chopping up the quotes for clicks and tweets is misleading.
Set your DVRs. If you're a Nielsen family, then torrent! ESPN actually has some Pats porn coming up. Edelman on everything on E:60.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13949427
Yes, I realize DVR viewing stats are gathered from all homes, but you get my point.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13949427
Yes, I realize DVR viewing stats are gathered from all homes, but you get my point.
Should we really expect an active LaFell after 3 practices? I think they keep him out another week, my guess is this isn't good news for Shaq's knee (n)or Kline's shoulder and they have to bring up Chris Barker from the PS. Even if Wendell is a go this week he won't be in shape to play a full game.soxhop411 said:
It's still dumb in context. Even disregarding the gulf in quality between the players, you don't prepare for two quarterbacks the same way. Guy tried to throw out a "we're worried about us and what se can do" style statement and it backfired because it sounds monumentally stupid, no one needed to try and make him look bad.scott bankheadcase said:
LaFell has been working out and running for longer than 3 days. He'll be ready to go.JohnnyK said:
He wasn't allowed to pratice with the team though. So he has not worked with the team at all this year before Wednesday.RedOctober3829 said:
rodderick said:
If Jerod Mayo said the exact same thing, except with Aaron Rodgers being in place of Brady, the consensus here would be that he was merely re-stating the now cliche "Do your job" nugget that has taken on some oversized profundity in these parts.
It's clear what he really meant. They just finished playing Kirk Cousins, so he was top of mind, and they are going through the same process this week with Brady. He wasn't comparing Brady and Cousins' talents.
scott bankheadcase said:
"We...bigger than...you...Brady."
Read between the lines, man. It's obvious trash talk!
Could care less about who said what.
What I want to know is how the NE Run defense giving up 4.9 YPC is going to slow down Chris Ivory who has rushed for over 150yds in his last two games.
I won't be surprised if Hightower is out again this week which is only going to compound the problem.
What I want to know is how the NE Run defense giving up 4.9 YPC is going to slow down Chris Ivory who has rushed for over 150yds in his last two games.
I won't be surprised if Hightower is out again this week which is only going to compound the problem.
He's been in the film room with the WRs/offense all year and taking mental reps is almost as important as physical reps. Practicing right away when legally allowed means he's good enough to play. Honestly, he'll be OK to play. Whether that translates him into making big plays is another story.JohnnyK said:
RedOctober3829 said:
Kyed said there's talk about Revis acting like Sherman this week and playing one side of the field and letting the Patriots dictate the matchup because they don't think he can stay with Edelman all game--he does better against bigger receivers.
To me that's a win for NE.
A statement structured along the lines of saying your team will win if ... is by no means guaranteeing victory.
RedOctober3829 said:
I would think a LB at the line with Cromartie supporting would be the likely matchup. That seemed to what DAL and IND used with some effectiveness. Any update on Skrinne? He is probably the best match for Edelman and could be a real key for the NYJ D this week.
Edelman's a tough matchup for anyone, but I thought Revis' worst days were against the really fast guys. Probably his worst game all year last year was against Mike Wallace, and I think it's telling that they put Arrington on T.Y. Hilton in the AFCCG rather than Revis. Some of his best games were against quick guys who run good routes like Keenan Allen and Doug Baldwin in the Super Bowl.DrewDawg said:
I like Edelman / Amendola against Cromartie - if the Pats play both of them in base (no LaFell / Martin), would the Jets bench Cromartie for Skrine? Probably the best bet is Gronk / Chandler / Lewis against the Jets LBs. I'm staying away from the run game and whoever Revis is covering.
Thats a worry.
Revis negates Edelman, Safety and LB (or another Safety) Double Gronk "negating" him.
So they Pats have Chandler, Blount, Lewis and Amendola that really need to drive the O this week. (I am assuming JOJO is not gonna play).
Is that enough?
Revis negates Edelman, Safety and LB (or another Safety) Double Gronk "negating" him.
So they Pats have Chandler, Blount, Lewis and Amendola that really need to drive the O this week. (I am assuming JOJO is not gonna play).
Is that enough?
I am not sure if Revis has the ability to negate Edelman. I had to go back a few seasons but Welker had some big games against the Revis-Cromarte combination when they were both injury free and 4 years younger. Skrine may not play either.
In 2011 Welker had a huge first game, and in the second matchup Gronk went nuts. The Jets had trouble containing both. Based on the amount of tackles Revis had in both games, it looks like the Patriots just had Brady throw against the favorable matchup (which was usually Cromarte or Harris), and moved Welker and Gronk around to get those matchups. I'd expect them to say away from Revis, and try to expose Cromarte and whoever the 3rd DB is going to be, Millner?
In 2011 Welker had a huge first game, and in the second matchup Gronk went nuts. The Jets had trouble containing both. Based on the amount of tackles Revis had in both games, it looks like the Patriots just had Brady throw against the favorable matchup (which was usually Cromarte or Harris), and moved Welker and Gronk around to get those matchups. I'd expect them to say away from Revis, and try to expose Cromarte and whoever the 3rd DB is going to be, Millner?
What does 2011 have to do with this game? Different defenses, different coaches, different schemes.GregHarris said:
You can't extrapolate Revis' play from that game and apply it to this game. We would need to know the gameplan and what his assignments were. Impossible to compare.
I don't feel it's 100% meaningless. Three of the 4 players are the same. The schemes may be different but the skill set is not.
Just trying to point out that Revis doesn't automatically "negate" a small quick slot receiver, without major repercussions elsewhere.
Just trying to point out that Revis doesn't automatically "negate" a small quick slot receiver, without major repercussions elsewhere.
That would be a huge win for the Pats. They have way too many weapons for the Jets to stop if Revis only plays one side of the field. If they go 4 and 5 wides they will take advantage of Amendola, Lewis, and Chandler on their nickel CBs, safeties, and LBs in coverage. The Patriots are so multiple that they can counter pretty much anything a defense throws out there.DrewDawg said:
I want to see Edelman handle a few passes before I call it a huge win for the Pats. The in-game adjustment to the finger injury could be expected to be rough. If, after a week of practice, there's still evidence of an issue, any advantage in the Pats favor is mitigated.
I agree. That's a terrible game plan for the Jets. I hate the CB only lines up on one side plan in general. Great take away Lafell up there all day.RedOctober3829 said:
Perhaps the Jets thinking is that Revis shuts down one side of the field (for the most part) and the front seven stalls the running game and short passing options. To me, if the Jets negate the running game, their secondary is better equipped to handle the rest of the offense than, say, that of the Cowboys or Bills.
Right...why let the Pats dictate the match-up? Revis can play anywhere they want, they should choose the match-up. But more power to them if they don't. The Seahawks don't always make Sherman play one side, but generally they do and to me it's a real argument against him being in the same class as Revis -- a top CB has to be able to take away a top WR weapon from the other club, not that club's 5th WR.
Yeah, i love Ivory and this worries me, especially if Hightower is gone. That said, the 4.9 YPC like a lot of defensive stats is probably unreliable. I think the Pats offensive front has been pretty decent since week 2 (they got killed by Pittsburgh during week 1) and if the LBers are committed to run support first i suspect they can contain Ivory. But, as someone else mentioned, it may be they'd rather take away Marshall. If it's me, though, I'd stop the run game first. Fitz is an erratic thrower and if they go pass first he'll end up with some INTs. If the Jets can run, then they can dominate possession, keep Brady off the field, and dominate the game.
j44thor said:
Yeah, i love Ivory and this worries me, especially if Hightower is gone. That said, the 4.9 YPC like a lot of defensive stats is probably unreliable. I think the Pats offensive front has been pretty decent since week 2 (they got killed by Pittsburgh during week 1) and if the LBers are committed to run support first i suspect they can contain Ivory. But, as someone else mentioned, it may be they'd rather take away Marshall. If it's me, though, I'd stop the run game first. Fitz is an erratic thrower and if they go pass first he'll end up with some INTs. If the Jets can run, then they can dominate possession, keep Brady off the field, and dominate the game.
As I said in my opening post to this thread, I think the lack of a Jets TE threat makes Chung available to help in the running game. We'll find out real early if the thing BB wants to take out is the run or Marshall. If you can make the Jets one-dimensional there is almost no chance of Fitzpatrick beating the Patriots.
The above is from Cimini/ESPN and to me is why you need to keep the LBs (and, yes, you're right, Chung) close to the box. Fitz to Marshall can hurt you for sure, but I'd dare Fitz to march the Jets up and down the field without uncorking errant pass after errant pass. I haven't seen every Jets game, but I've seen enough this season to see that he is inaccurate as hell -- he'll make mistakes if relied upon.
I'm going to go ahead and call a Nink pick after he drops off in a zone blitz in this game, similar to the one he had in the DEN game last year.
In offense, I agree that Pats will need to go fast a lot to prevent the Jets from mixing it up too much. This game will probably come down to execution by guys like Amendola, Lewis and Martin. Curious to see how the Jets will handle Jules... do they single cover him and make him prove his finger is ok?
In offense, I agree that Pats will need to go fast a lot to prevent the Jets from mixing it up too much. This game will probably come down to execution by guys like Amendola, Lewis and Martin. Curious to see how the Jets will handle Jules... do they single cover him and make him prove his finger is ok?
RedOctober3829 said:
There's chatter that the 49ers might make Vernon Davis available in a deadline deal. No help this week, of course, but I really wouldn't like to see him in New York.
As to Chung and the run game, this could really be a stepping stone game for the younger NE d-linemen
E5 Yaz said:
Anybody would be an improvement over their current TE situation, since they literally have nobody who can catch the ball at the position. But Vernon Davis has 415 yards and 2 TDs over his last 19 NFL games dating back to the beginning of the 2014 season. He is cooked and they probably could do better.
But, he was hurt a lot of that time. Davis had 6 catches last night, although he wasn't covered well at all. I think he is still one of the fastest TEs in the league, he runs good routes, and is strong. I'd rather he stay in SF if the Jets TE situation is as dire as people are saying. If he stayed healthy, he'd probably be a big help to them.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
It is going to be ugly if HT also does not play, or is ineffective due to injury.tims4wins said:
Jets are one of, if not the healthiest in the league, and have already dodged at least two huge bullets in Cro and Decker's potentially serious injuries.
Time to scienc... eh, scheme the sh*t out of this thing.
God, Cannon didn't practice and Kline and Mason both banged up.soxhop411 said:
That unit has taken a beating. Let's hope their luck changes.
I've been here a while. This is one of the relatively few occasions in which posts expressing trepidation about the game were not met with: "stop being a fucking Nancy." Any post in a Jets game typically would be met with a blizzard of such responses.
And yet the line remains at 9 or 10 points. And out of towners are saying -- "Vegas is begging you to take the Jets and points;!take the Pats."
All very interesting.
And yet the line remains at 9 or 10 points. And out of towners are saying -- "Vegas is begging you to take the Jets and points;!take the Pats."
All very interesting.
Yup it is quite remarkable how much respect we have for the Jets all of a sudden. What a difference Bowles has made