With an AAV of $22 million for the Yankees, I really don't think the Stanton contract is much of a concern.
Judge back to NY: 9 years/$360 million
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I think Stanton is talked about too much as if he's got a Pujols contract. Stanton still contributes offensively and is getting paid by the Yankees just over half of what Judge makes per year. Stanton doesn't hurt in any way except crowding the DH/LF spot but that's a good problem to have when he's healthy because he still is very valuable offensively.
Cots has the Yankees 40 man estimated at 224 before the Judge signing. If they are close to correct this puts them at 264, which is over the thresh hold for the second year in a row. And that's without adding anyone else.
How many years over the thresh hold does it really get punitive regarding draft picks / International free agent spending?
If going over isn't painful for NY, I don't see why they need to stop right now and pack it in, they should be in on a few more players.
How many years over the thresh hold does it really get punitive regarding draft picks / International free agent spending?
If going over isn't painful for NY, I don't see why they need to stop right now and pack it in, they should be in on a few more players.
To say again, I think the Yankees made the right decision in re-signing Judge. My point is that they will be overpaying Stanton to be their DH for some or all of the next five seasons and, I expect shortly thereafter, they will be overpaying Judge to be their DH for the following four seasons.
I think they can make it work, but, is there any dispute that having a older, overpaid DH locked in place is not an ideal way to construct a roster? That looks to be the likely reality for the next 9 years, right?
I think they're OK with going over for a few years, the non-financial penalties aren't so harsh now and by spending money, they can continue to protect their position player prospect group.
I don't know there are pros and cons, in NY he can reach immortal status by staying with the Yankees, that must mean something and along with the Dodger I have to think NY offers a ton of wats to make extra money via endorsements. Also less pressure than going to a new team
Judge also made the Yankees extra millions with his home run record chase, in both ticket sales and YES ratings. But that kind of season will not be topped ever again.
One thing I learned is the Yankees, for better or worse, do not let go of their franchise player.
Well, Donaldson and his $25m are gone next year (or this year if they trade him), Torres and his $10-15m are gone sooner rather than later. I think they have more room than it would appear at first to do some more shuffling. Hicks is another $10m that I can't see them carrying. If they can pay half of Hicks and Donaldson to send them somewhere else, I think that's enough to allow them to get a LF. Rodon + a LF....yeesh.
This sounds like a plausible account what happened. Hal saying screw it on the 9th year as Judge has value in marketing.
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I don't think they were ever going to be in on that, honestly. We'll see if he even gets to free agency with the way that the Padres throw around money, like it's Weimar Republic currency.
I thought perhaps that Frank Howard might be in the conversation, but I see that he was listed at ‘only’ 255 lbs (I’m guessing he was a fair amount more in the 2nd half of his career) and that he retired at 36.
Oh, well. Assumed he wasn't giving up the media attention in New York but, damn I am still bummed and think everybody predicting this contract will be a regret in 3-4 years are being optimistic.
I don't know man, I think the pain and regret of watching your franchise player, who you've followed since A ball, dominate a few years for someone else is much worse. And throwing a ton ton of money at another FA who comes in and hits a cliff in a year is shittier than getting the same outcome with "your guy."
The Yankees did well to just pay the man and keep him. They're a big market franchise who also have the ability to build up a great farm. The Pujols contract gets cited a lot but what's left out is that the Angels have also been fucking atrocious at building a farm system. That's the reason they could never survive the Pujols (and Rendon) contracts.
The Yankees did well to just pay the man and keep him. They're a big market franchise who also have the ability to build up a great farm. The Pujols contract gets cited a lot but what's left out is that the Angels have also been fucking atrocious at building a farm system. That's the reason they could never survive the Pujols (and Rendon) contracts.
Does he stay in CF for next year? Or does he go back to RF and spend a few hundred on duct tape and bubble gum to keep Hicks together? Or does Peraza or Oswaldo learn to play CF?
Bader is one of the best defensive CF if not THE best in baseball, and he might be an offensive asset too.
I assume Bader is in CF but he's not exactly Phil Kessel when it comes to staying in the lineup.
I understand the signing because of the Yankees' budget, his celebrity/popularity, and the lack of viable alternatives. And, there have been a number of players who have put up really good numbers through their 30's, like Edgar Martinez, Hank Aaron, Paul Molitor. Even guys like Fisk, Yaz, Nelson Cruz and Big Papi show some reasons for optimism looking at Judge's potential production for his age 31-39 seasons.
Baseball-Reference lists Brian Giles, David Justice, George Springer, Jason Bay, and Ryan Howard as Judge's most similar batters through age 30. That's a mixed bag looking ahead.
And, the Pujols comparisons are hard to avoid. Here are their FWAR totals leading up to their age 31 seasons:
Age Pujols Judge
25 7.7 8.7
26 8.1 5.3
27 7.7 4.3
28 8.7 1.1 (2020)
29 8.4 5.5
30 6.8 11.4
Based on those numbers, at age 31, I'd say that Pujols was a "safer" bet to produce through his age 39 season.
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Taking three years off Pujols' age gives him the following fWAR over his "real age 31-39" years:
8.7
8.4
6.8
3.9
3.3
0.5
2.7
1.6
0.8
Interestingly, it is the next year when Pujols really fell off a cliff. If I'm the Yankees, I'd take that 9 years of production from Judge.
[EDIT: shifting Pujols' age by 3 years makes his pre-age 31 production much better, arguably putting him at a different level than Judge for purposes of this comparison.)
How much pressure do you think he’d have in SD or SF? Plus I think the Padres have a brighter future than the Yankee$ but that ship has sailed so we’ll see.
A bit silly for me to argue this, but the Padres have a ton of guys who will be FAs after 2023: Machado can opt out, Darvish, Snell, Hader, and Soto has two more years. Tatis is signed at big bucks through 2034 and is a big question mark right now, and they emptied out their farm system to get Soto.
Well thanks for being silly
Those are good points. Historically, though, places like SD are a lot easier to play in than under the burning microscope of NYC.
To be clear, I was saying it was a bit silly for me to argue about the relative potential futures of two teams over the next decade since there are countless unknowns and so much can change, not taking any kind of shot.Well thanks for being silly
I do think that Cashman has been working hard for the last few years to build a position player prospect nucleus, and the more that he is able to hold onto those guys and avoid tempting trinkets like Bryan Reynolds, the better off NY will be in 5 or 8 years.
Frank Thomas hit 93 home runs after his 37th birthday. I don't believe for a second he was under 270 at that point. His 240 was his draft weight
I guess this is the nature of the “Captain”, but every single one of those players had their best years with the Yankees before they assumed the heavy mantle.
In the case of Guidry and Mattingly, very famously so.
Ive never really understood it, feels like something out of a kids movie. You signed a giant contract with us, here’s your merit badge. Jeter, stop partying, here’s your adult responsibility guilt trip
It's a fair point, I think it has a lot to do with the way baseball contracts work, and that NY doesn't want to commit to someone until they know they won't leave in free agency. Jeter signed his big 10 year deal in 2001, for instance.
I‘d imagine this didn’t come as a surprise to Judge and was something Hal promised during negotiations, along with spending more in free agency.
Most deserved Yankees Captain since Gehrig. Congrats to you Yankees fans for the extension, and for his passing of the physical.
Elaborating on the above, thank you Anthony!!
“ Aaron Judge is a Yankee for life, and Anthony Rizzo’s aggressive text-messaging campaign may have been the club’s secret weapon.
In an appearance on NBC’s "The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon" on Monday, Judge detailed how Rizzo tugged on his heartstrings by sending daily text messages during the slugger’s free-agency period, including snapshots of their Dachshunds roaming the Yankee Stadium outfield together.
“He was a big part,” Judge said of Rizzo. “He was a free agent, too; he opted out, but he got his contract out of the way [in November] and he said, ‘Now we’ve got to get you locked in.’ He was calling me every day. He was sending me texts every day. He was working hard.
“He went for my heart. My little Penny and his dog, Kevin, are the best of friends. Every day, I was getting photos.””
https://www.mlb.com/news/aaron-judge-discusses-free-agency-on-tonight-show
“ Aaron Judge is a Yankee for life, and Anthony Rizzo’s aggressive text-messaging campaign may have been the club’s secret weapon.
In an appearance on NBC’s "The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon" on Monday, Judge detailed how Rizzo tugged on his heartstrings by sending daily text messages during the slugger’s free-agency period, including snapshots of their Dachshunds roaming the Yankee Stadium outfield together.
“He was a big part,” Judge said of Rizzo. “He was a free agent, too; he opted out, but he got his contract out of the way [in November] and he said, ‘Now we’ve got to get you locked in.’ He was calling me every day. He was sending me texts every day. He was working hard.
“He went for my heart. My little Penny and his dog, Kevin, are the best of friends. Every day, I was getting photos.””
https://www.mlb.com/news/aaron-judge-discusses-free-agency-on-tonight-show
