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Jansen blows the save again to SF. Roberts goes crazy and gets ejected after a close bases loaded walk.

Edit. Ohh, Roberts was right. Terrible check swing not called.
To be fair (to be fayuh) Visconti called a ball three inches off the plate at the letters a stike earlier in the same AB. Ruff should have walked anyway so Roberts really got run for nothing.
 

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There was also a simple grounder for the last out htat the Dodgers were too nonchalant on on a force to 2nd and the runner beat t.
 

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His control is terrible. Something is clearly wrong.
Weird year for Kenley. Velocity has ticked back up a couple mph but BB/9 taking a big hit.

Bellinger with a 0.538 OPS in 167 PA now. Small-ish sample but not that small anymore.

Multiple Mookie injuries have been a big problem for them this year. Back and hip injuries are not great long term indicators.
 

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Weird year for Kenley. Velocity has ticked back up a couple mph but BB/9 taking a big hit.

Bellinger with a 0.538 OPS in 167 PA now. Small-ish sample but not that small anymore.

Multiple Mookie injuries have been a big problem for them this year. Back and hip injuries are not great long term indicators.
The last two nights have been a well documented adventure for him. His misses are terrible - I defer to you on his physical condition but based on my experience, something seems wrong.
 

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The last two nights have been a well documented adventure for him. His misses are terrible - I defer to you on his physical condition but based on my experience, something seems wrong.
I don't disagree with you, just saying it's interesting his velocity has been much better this year after long downward trend (and big dip last year).

Still could be some injury or other physical issue.
 

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I don't disagree with you, just saying it's interesting his velocity has been much better this year after long downward trend (and big dip last year).

Still could be some injury or other physical issue.
It is strange about his velocity. As a side note, I know its probably just me but the Dodgers fans booing this guy is a bad look. He has been so great for so long and maybe this is it. But damn its cold...
 

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It is strange about his velocity. As a side note, I know its probably just me but the Dodgers fans booing this guy is a bad look. He has been so great for so long and maybe this is it. But damn its cold...
For sure, super lame if it was for Kenley.

Was a weird time in the game. They had that awful check swing call, Roberts got tossed, the Giants got the 2 run single immediately after, and then Kenley got the hook. All happened in like 2 minutes.

Kind of seemed to me it was a mix of jeers and boos for the entire situation and the umps as much as Henley though hard to tell on TV.
 

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Bryce Harper stole second, third and home in their game last night. That's gotta be pretty rare.

Home was a pickoff gone bad by the Braves.
 

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Bryce Harper stole second, third and home in their game last night. That's gotta be pretty rare.

Home was a pickoff gone bad by the Braves.
eh...not as rare as you'd think. It's happened 54 times in the SAME inning. That has happened in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/stealing_second_third_home.shtml

Edit...He is the first Phillies player to do it since 2009.

https://www.saltwire.com/prince-edward-island/sports/phillies-beat-braves-behind-bryce-harpers-three-stolen-bases-100615388/
Bryce Harper doubled, singled, walked and stole three bases for the first time in his career. He became the first Phillie to steal second, third and home in the same game since Jayson Werth on May 12, 2009.
 

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That is bullshit. The ump called him safe, therefore signaling to Yoan that he touched home plate.
Why should that make any difference? The ump may well have thought he did touch the plate when he called safe. The whole point of replay is to ensure that the call on the field is correct. The ump called it wrong, replay showed that and reversed it. Nothing bullshit about it.
 

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Why should that make any difference? The ump may well have thought he did touch the plate when he called safe. The whole point of replay is to ensure that the call on the field is correct. The ump called it wrong, replay showed that and reversed it. Nothing bullshit about it.
If the ump says safe, he assumes he touched the plate, no? Play is over. Done.

If the ump makes no call, he may know he hasn't touched home, right?
 

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If the ump says safe, he assumes he touched the plate, no? Play is over. Done.

If the ump makes no call, he may know he hasn't touched home, right?
Yes. But that assumes that the umpire saw that he missed the plate and signaled incorrectly. If he thought Moncada touched the plate, then signaling safe was exactly what he should have done. Then the replay showed otherwise so he was called out. It's no different than any other safe/out call overturned by replay.

And really, Moncada knows more than anyone involved in the play whether he touched the plate. It's a pretty distinct difference in feel between landing on dirt versus landing on the plate, and since he completely the plate, he knew he missed it. Nothing stopped him from going back and touching it even though the ump was signalling otherwise. Especially in the replay challenge era.
 

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Yes. But that assumes that the umpire saw that he missed the plate and signaled incorrectly. If he thought Moncada touched the plate, then signaling safe was exactly what he should have done. Then the replay showed otherwise so he was called out. It's no different than any other safe/out call overturned by replay.

And really, Moncada knows more than anyone involved in the play whether he touched the plate. It's a pretty distinct difference in feel between landing on dirt versus landing on the plate, and since he completely the plate, he knew he missed it. Nothing stopped him from going back and touching it even though the ump was signalling otherwise. Especially in the replay challenge era.
I disagree. In a case like this, replay should not be allowed. The ump told the player he touched the plate.
 

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Anyone watching these Tony LaRussa shenanigans? Up 3-1, goes to Kopech in the 7th, doesn’t double switch so after he gets out of the inning Kopech is leading off the 8th. Leaves him in to hit, then makes the defensive substitution he could have made an inning earlier to avoid the pitcher coming up, and after Kopech allows the first base runner on.......comes out to pull him. I mean this is some brilliant 1987 managing going on right here.
 

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By that logic, there should be no replay at all. I mean, if the ump tells a guy he's out, he's out. Who cares if replay shows he beat the throw by a step?
I'm actually kind of with PCDF on this one. The difference, to me, is that the umps call ended the flow of the play, so there was no apparent reason for the runner to go back and touch the base. Technically, because the player didn't touch the base, the play wasn't over, so he should have had the opportunity to go back and complete the play, one way or the other. It was the umpire's call that ended the play, not the play truly being over.

In your scenario, the play is over either way. The player is either on the bag safely, or not. They aren't really the same thing, because in your scenario there is no theoretical continuation of the play.

I don't think this particular play should have been reviewable. Of course, that's my opinion and not the rulebook, so...
 

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I'm actually kind of with PCDF on this one. The difference, to me, is that the umps call ended the flow of the play, so there was no apparent reason for the runner to go back and touch the base. Technically, because the player didn't touch the base, the play wasn't over, so he should have had the opportunity to go back and complete the play, one way or the other. It was the umpire's call that ended the play, not the play truly being over.

In your scenario, the play is over either way. The player is either on the bag safely, or not. They aren't really the same thing, because in your scenario there is no theoretical continuation of the play.

I don't think this particular play should have been reviewable. Of course, that's my opinion and not the rulebook, so...
Other than the fact that he didn't touch the plate? In the end it's on the runner to do that.

If the runner had casually walked back and touched the plate on the way back to the dugout, the the (incorrect) safe call is disadvantaging the defense as they stop the play and don't attempt a tag after that point.

Personally I'm fine with the runner losing out on this one even if letter of the law he should be safe in this instance. His number one job there is to touch the plate and he clearly missed it.
 

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Shohei strikes out Nunez on a 100mph fastball to end the 7th. 7IP, 1ER today. No walks. He's suddenly stopped walking people.

Ridiculous.

His ERA's now down to 3.04.
 

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Well, at least he can pad his shitty OBP when he inevitably gets drilled tomorrow.
 

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Astros were up 7-0 against the Mariners, Mariners battled back to be down 8-7 in the bottom of the 8th. Astros got the first two out quickly but then the Mariners went Hit, Walk, Walk, Grand Slam to take an 11-8 lead.
 

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Reports of Joey Votto's demise are greatly exaggerated. He's hit two home runs tonight, bringing his slash line to .272/.367/.525 (136 wRC+). He was hitting .226/.305/.425 before hitting the IL back in May.

Also made this sick play:

 

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Reports of Joey Votto's demise are greatly exaggerated. He's hit two home runs tonight, bringing his slash line to .272/.367/.525 (136 wRC+). He was hitting .226/.305/.425 before hitting the IL back in May.

Also made this sick play:

He's looking to push himself into the HOF.

He had an insane difference home and away last season, like his OPS was .800 points higher at home.
 

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Lot of fun factoids from this afternoon's Twins/Tigers game, this is my favorite:

MIN hit 7 HRs, DET did not hit any. DET still won, 17-14.