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This is actually why people love Bowman. Wander Franco already has a LOT of rookie cards on the market. His 1/1 superfractor from 2019 Bowman Chrome reportedly sold for $60,000-$100,000 (which may be a steal in short time). See part of the list below:

  • 2018 Leaf Metal Draft National Pride Black Wander Franco RC #NP-WF1
  • 2018 Panini Elite Extra Edition Autographs Wander Franco RC #67
  • 2018 Leaf Trinity Auto Platinum Wander Franco RC
  • 2018 Panini Elite Extra Edition Triple Materials Gold Wander Franco RC #TM-WF
  • 2019 Bowman Chrome Draft Wander Franco RC #BDC93
  • 2019 Wander Franco Bowman Chrome Wander Franco RC #WF
  • 2019 Bowman Platinum Wal-Mart Top Prospects Wander Franco RC #TOP-9
  • 2019 Panini Elite Extra Edition Prospect Materials Black Wander Franco RC PM-WF
  • 2019 Topps Pro Debut Gold Wander Franco RC #50
  • 2019 Bowman Platinum Wal-Mart Prismatic Prodigies Purple Refractor Wander Franco RC #PPP-24
  • 2019 Bowman Platinum Wal-Mart Platinum Presence Wander Franco RC #PP-7
  • 2019 Bowman’s Best 1999 Franchise Favorites Atomic Refractor Wander Franco RC #99FF-WF
  • 2019 Bowman’s Best Future Foundations Die Cuts Auto Wander Franco RC #FFA-WF
  • 2019 Topps On Demand 1955 Bowman Online Exclusive [Base] Wander Franco RC #4
  • 2019 Bowman Chrome Stat Tracker Atomic Refractor Wander Franco RC #ST-WF
  • 2019 Bowman Platinum Wal-Mart Top Prospects Sky Blue Refractor Wander Franco RC
  • 2019 Bowman 30th Anniversary Chrome Orange Refractor Wander Franco RC #B30-WF
  • 2019 Bowman Sterling Rookie Card Wander Franco RC #BPR31
  • 2019 Bowman Chrome Mega Box Wander Franco RC #100
  • 2019 Topps Heritage Minor League Edition Boxloader 1970 Topps Super Wander Franco RC SB-WF
  • 2019 Topps Heritage Minor League Edition Fantastic Feats Wander Franco RC #FF-2
  • 2019 Topps Heritage Minor League Edition 1970 Mint Relics Wander Franco RC #70MR-WF
  • 2020 Panini Donruss Rated Prospects Wander Franco RC #RP-1
  • 2019 Topps On Demand 1955 Bowman Wander Franco RC #4
  • 2019 Topps Heritage Minor League Edition Wander Franco RC #190
  • 2019 Panini Donruss Rated Prospect Material Wander Franco RC #RPM-WF
  • 2020 Bowman Spanning The Globe Chrome Mega Box Mojo Refractor Wander Franco RC #STG-WF
  • 2020 Bowman 1st Edition Sky Blue Foil Wander Franco RC #BFE-1
 

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Yeah, this is confusing me. I see the Casey Mize 2021 cards with the RC designation next to them, but he was in 2018 Bowman, so how are his '21 cards rookie cards?

It reminds me of the overwrought nonsense back in the 80s when if a player appeared in the Topps (or Fleer) traded set, those somehow didn't count as rookie cards, so Clemens 1985 Topps, Donruss, and Fleer cards were his rookie cards (RC in guides), but his 1984 Fleer Update card was his extended rookie card (XRC in guides). I thought this was all straightened out, but apparently not.
 

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This is actually why people love Bowman. Wander Franco already has a LOT of rookie cards on the market. His 1/1 superfractor from 2019 Bowman Chrome reportedly sold for $60,000-$100,000 (which may be a steal in short time). See part of the list below:

  • 2018 Leaf Metal Draft National Pride Black Wander Franco RC #NP-WF1
  • 2018 Panini Elite Extra Edition Autographs Wander Franco RC #67
  • 2018 Leaf Trinity Auto Platinum Wander Franco RC
  • 2018 Panini Elite Extra Edition Triple Materials Gold Wander Franco RC #TM-WF
  • 2019 Bowman Chrome Draft Wander Franco RC #BDC93
  • 2019 Wander Franco Bowman Chrome Wander Franco RC #WF
  • 2019 Bowman Platinum Wal-Mart Top Prospects Wander Franco RC #TOP-9
  • 2019 Panini Elite Extra Edition Prospect Materials Black Wander Franco RC PM-WF
  • 2019 Topps Pro Debut Gold Wander Franco RC #50
  • 2019 Bowman Platinum Wal-Mart Prismatic Prodigies Purple Refractor Wander Franco RC #PPP-24
  • 2019 Bowman Platinum Wal-Mart Platinum Presence Wander Franco RC #PP-7
  • 2019 Bowman’s Best 1999 Franchise Favorites Atomic Refractor Wander Franco RC #99FF-WF
  • 2019 Bowman’s Best Future Foundations Die Cuts Auto Wander Franco RC #FFA-WF
  • 2019 Topps On Demand 1955 Bowman Online Exclusive [Base] Wander Franco RC #4
  • 2019 Bowman Chrome Stat Tracker Atomic Refractor Wander Franco RC #ST-WF
  • 2019 Bowman Platinum Wal-Mart Top Prospects Sky Blue Refractor Wander Franco RC
  • 2019 Bowman 30th Anniversary Chrome Orange Refractor Wander Franco RC #B30-WF
  • 2019 Bowman Sterling Rookie Card Wander Franco RC #BPR31
  • 2019 Bowman Chrome Mega Box Wander Franco RC #100
  • 2019 Topps Heritage Minor League Edition Boxloader 1970 Topps Super Wander Franco RC SB-WF
  • 2019 Topps Heritage Minor League Edition Fantastic Feats Wander Franco RC #FF-2
  • 2019 Topps Heritage Minor League Edition 1970 Mint Relics Wander Franco RC #70MR-WF
  • 2020 Panini Donruss Rated Prospects Wander Franco RC #RP-1
  • 2019 Topps On Demand 1955 Bowman Wander Franco RC #4
  • 2019 Topps Heritage Minor League Edition Wander Franco RC #190
  • 2019 Panini Donruss Rated Prospect Material Wander Franco RC #RPM-WF
  • 2020 Bowman Spanning The Globe Chrome Mega Box Mojo Refractor Wander Franco RC #STG-WF
  • 2020 Bowman 1st Edition Sky Blue Foil Wander Franco RC #BFE-1
Bowman 1st cards are usually widely regarded as most players’ “rookie” cards. Which is why Bowman Chrome and Bowman Sapphire goes for crazy dollars and sells out super fast. Those are basically the premium versions of most top prospects’ rookie cards.

I now usually consider a rookie card and their Bowman 1st card two completely different things. Rookie cards still hold value, but those Bowman 1st cards are usually the ones everyone goes after.

Basically Bowman 1st is the player’s first published card by Topps/Bowman and their rookie card is after they’ve made their major league debut, a few years later.
 

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Yeah, this is confusing me. I see the Casey Mize 2021 cards with the RC designation next to them, but he was in 2018 Bowman, so how are his '21 cards rookie cards?

It reminds me of the overwrought nonsense back in the 80s when if a player appeared in the Topps (or Fleer) traded set, those somehow didn't count as rookie cards, so Clemens 1985 Topps, Donruss, and Fleer cards were his rookie cards (RC in guides), but his 1984 Fleer Update card was his extended rookie card (XRC in guides). I thought this was all straightened out, but apparently not.
That's exactly what it is. Bowman is not Topps Stadium Club (even though Bowman is owned by Topps), Flawless is not National Treasures (even though both are made by Panini). Literally every single week, there is a new "set" being released by Topps and Panini, sometimes multiple sets in the same sport. They have different price points, etc.

The first time a player appears in a particular product (say Stadium Club), that will be their rookie card for that product, but it's never their first card. In Baseball, Bowman Chrome is widely recognized as THE rookie card for that player. But even they aren't the first, as Leaf or another company will sometimes release stuff prior to the draft (without MLB licensing) and before Bowman, but in baseball, Bowman is the true rookie card for most collectors.

In basketball, some folks would consider Panini Prizm as the true rookie cards. The list is endless, but you see that little "RC" moniker any time someone appears in a specific product for the first time. You only see "1st" on the Bowman's though.
 

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FTR, I think the card market is going to change in some interesting ways with the new NCAA rules about players being able to monetize and receive payment for their likeness, images, etc. Prior to now, once drafted, MLB or the NFL, etc. owned their likeness and have the contracts with the card companies (players have to sign xxxxx number of autographs as part of their CBA"s), but the time period before they are drafted in which they appear on cards (like Immaculate Collegiate or National Treasures Collegiate, etc.) will, I assume, have to be negotiated directly with the players.
 

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The Rookie Card stuff is insane. I'm not even gonna pretend to understand it. I usually just go with First Bowmans being the true "first" card and then anything with the RC designation on it, ideally in their first MLB year, as a rookie card as well. Probably not kosher but only way I can keep my brain straight.
 

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Ohhh good point about the NCAA rule changes affecting the card market. Covid completely changed everything of course but will there be another seismic shift??
 

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My relatively uninformed gut says that I don't think it will affect TOO much only because Baseball collectors at least seem to really want the team logo as well. Like, there are autographs in products that pre-date Bowman Firsts. For instance. there was an auction in June for a 2015 Ke'Bryan Hayes Team USA Auto from Panini that went for $32 in June on Ebay. A 2014 Team USA went for less a few months back. A raw First Bowman Chrome from the same year sold for $236. It's of course possible the hobby mindset changes if Topps gets access to these prospects or collector mindsets change. I suspect that the major change may be if Topps pursues these agreements with college athletes and then makes those the "First Bowmans"...that could be something.
 

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My relatively uninformed gut says that I don't think it will affect TOO much only because Baseball collectors at least seem to really want the team logo as well. Like, there are autographs in products that pre-date Bowman Firsts. For instance. there was an auction in June for a 2015 Ke'Bryan Hayes Team USA Auto from Panini that went for $32 in June on Ebay. A 2014 Team USA went for less a few months back. A raw First Bowman Chrome from the same year sold for $236. It's of course possible the hobby mindset changes if Topps gets access to these prospects or collector mindsets change. I suspect that the major change may be if Topps pursues these agreements with college athletes and then makes those the "First Bowmans"...that could be something.
Yeah, I think baseball will have a much smaller effect, than other sports, mostly because college baseball is nowhere near the spectator/collector sport that college football or college basketball are. There are a LOT of collectors that want anything they can get their hands on from Alabama, or Michigan or USC or Notre Dame or UNC or Duke, etc.

Here's a list of just the top sellers from 2020 National Treasures collegiate:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=2020+National+Treasures+Collegiate&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16

A 1/1 Tyrese Halliburton sold for almost $2,500. Zion's cards were selling for over $1,000. They are still saying Brett Favre autos in Southern Miss. gear for hundreds of dollars. All of that stuff is going to probably change very, very significantly soon.
 

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Back to the break... has anybody decided they want Option #1 (keep all their cards), or is everyone in the Option #2 collective where we are each taking according to our needs and giving according to our means?
 

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Back to the break... has anybody decided they want Option #1 (keep all their cards), or is everyone in the Option #2 collective where we are each taking according to our needs and giving according to our means?
No one has explicitly told me that they want Option 1 (though perfectly fine if they do). Since everyone will know their teams, I'll post here again before the break to ask anyone that wants Option 1 to let me know.
 

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My relatively uninformed gut says that I don't think it will affect TOO much only because Baseball collectors at least seem to really want the team logo as well. Like, there are autographs in products that pre-date Bowman Firsts. For instance. there was an auction in June for a 2015 Ke'Bryan Hayes Team USA Auto from Panini that went for $32 in June on Ebay. A 2014 Team USA went for less a few months back. A raw First Bowman Chrome from the same year sold for $236. It's of course possible the hobby mindset changes if Topps gets access to these prospects or collector mindsets change. I suspect that the major change may be if Topps pursues these agreements with college athletes and then makes those the "First Bowmans"...that could be something.
I can’t see this happening for a couple of reasons. They already sell college stuff and it doesn’t sell nearly as well as the professional stuff.

Also baseball is unique in that players are drafted and play within the organization but not for the actual team for years. Any high end football or basketball player plays for the team that drafted them immediately. They also get dealt without playing a game for the big league club all the time.

I think that’s where the distinction for 1st Bowmans and rookies come in. Jeter Downs won’t have a Boston 1st Bowman but will probably have a Boston rookie.
 

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I'm going to take the Rays from Tampa.

I really thought about the combo, because I like Varsho, but I think I am more interested in some combination of a Patino hit. I really, really wish there was an Arozarena auto in this set, though.
 

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I'm going to take the Rays from Tampa.

I really thought about the combo, because I like Varsho, but I think I am more interested in some combination of a Patino hit. I really, really wish there was an Arozarena auto in this set, though.
Daulton Varsho? The 25 year old “rookie” hitting .141 with a .421 OPS? Yeah, seems awesome.

I’ll take the Trevor Storys and Rockies/Diamondback misfits. Maybe I’ll luck into another 1/1.
 

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That concludes the draft. I currently expect to break at 8pm EDT on Saturday 7/10, live on YouTube with details to follow.
 

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The break is tomorrow evening at 8pm EDT. Everyone who has stated a preference so far has selected option 2: veteran base doubles split among the group - you will still receive all hits, rookies, variations, etc. including doubles. This only affects veteran base cards that aren't variations/parallels.

Anyone who prefers option #1 (receive all veteran base doubles in addition to the hits/rookies/variations), please shoot me a PM. I definitely don't want to force anyone into option 2, so just let me know.
 

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What is the base considered, the plain black foil? Looking at the Jackie Robinson for Dodgers as example, on eBay I see black foil, red foil, black and white, sepia, proof, etc.
 

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What is the base considered, the plain black foil? Looking at the Jackie Robinson for Dodgers as example, on eBay I see black foil, red foil, black and white, sepia, proof, etc.
No. Black foil is also a parallel (~1 per box). If you got 5 Jackie Robinson silvers (base), 1 Jackie Robinson black, 1Jackie Robinson red, 1Jackie Robinson B&W, 1 Jackie Robinson sepia, and 1Jackie Robinson proof, you'd get 6 cards: all of them except for the extra 4 silvers (base), which:
a) would go into the shared pool
b) not be worth more than about $0.50 each

In return you'd get some other random silver (base) cards from another team (which would also not be worth more than about $0.50 each).

If you got 2 of the blacks (for example, and super-duper unlikely), you'd get them both.

In other words, there's no reason to go option #1 unless you wanna hoard doubles of the team you picked or passionately hate every player in baseball that is not on that team to the point you wish to rabidly avoid getting their cards.
 
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No. Black foil is also a parallel (~1 per box). If you got 5 Jackie Robinson silvers (base), 1 Jackie Robinson black, 1Jackie Robinson red, 1Jackie Robinson B&W, 1 Jackie Robinson sepia, and 1Jackie Robinson proof, you'd get 6 cards: all of them except for the extra 4 silvers (base), which:
a) would go into the shared pool
b) not be worth more than about $0.50 each

In return you'd get some other random silver (base) cards from another team (which would also not be worth more than about $0.50 each).

If you got 2 of the blacks (for example, and super-duper unlikely), you'd get them both.

In other words, there's no reason to go option #1 unless you wanna hoard doubles of the team you picked or passionately hate every player in baseball that is not on that team to the point you wish to rabidly avoid getting their cards.
Thanks, that clarifies things and agreed, unless you enjoy papering your man cave with Joey Gallo cards (which I did after the first break..) then option 2 all day.
 

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No. Black foil is also a parallel (~1 per box). If you got 5 Jackie Robinson silvers (base), 1 Jackie Robinson black, 1Jackie Robinson red, 1Jackie Robinson B&W, 1 Jackie Robinson sepia, and 1Jackie Robinson proof, you'd get 6 cards: all of them except for the extra 4 silvers (base), which:
a) would go into the shared pool
b) not be worth more than about $0.50 each

In return you'd get some other random silver (base) cards from another team (which would also not be worth more than about $0.50 each).

If you got 2 of the blacks (for example, and super-duper unlikely), you'd get them both.

In other words, there's no reason to go option #1 unless you wanna hoard doubles of the team you picked or passionately hate every player in baseball that is not on that team to the point you wish to rabidly avoid getting their cards.
Bergs explained everything better than I did. That's exactly right.
 

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Thanks, that clarifies things and agreed, unless you enjoy papering your man cave with Joey Gallo cards (which I did after the first break..) then option 2 all day.
Bo Bichette for me.
 

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Have to work tonight so won't be able to watch Live, but really excited for this. Especially for those folks who haven't had their hands on these card yet.

I know Bowman has better resale, but I think this is my favorite product.
 

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Have to work tonight so won't be able to watch Live, but really excited for this. Especially for those folks who haven't had their hands on these card yet.

I know Bowman has better resale, but I think this is my favorite product.
Yeah in this price range this is my favorite product too. The photos are awesome.
 

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Although I didn’t luck into a Story auto, this was still a lot of fun.

Glad to see you got the best card PE!

Of course Greg got the second best card!!! That Ryan card is pretty. When I saw it pulled I checked the thread to see who had the Astros. Greg!!!
 

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Thank you, Mike. So much fun. The amount of work that you put into this isn’t lost on me. Me and my son appreciate it.
 

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PE, cannot thank you enough for the time and effort you put in to all of this. Very happy that you got those awesome autos in this break!

Do I need to pay more shipping and handling for all of those Yankee cards?
 

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PE, thank you and CONGRATS on that Tatis pull! That is amazing! Looking forward to the next one (and I'd happily do NFL, too).
 

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Thanks so much again PE my son asked to watch it again this morning in the car!
 

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Adding to the chorus of thank you's. Glad you're the one who scored the monster.

That said, godDAMN, there were a lot of fucking yankees.
 

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Thanks all. That was a lot of fun. All cards are now sorted, and I work on putting packages together tomorrow. So many MFY cards that I'll have nightmares about them.
 

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Thanks. I'll keep an eye on that one and see what they get for it if it sells. Mine will be staying in the collection for sure.
That’s gotta be the hardest part for a more serious collector like you right? What’s it worth to hang on to something unique for a personal collection? So far I got an offer of $500 on the 1/1 Ohtani insert. For that type of money I’d rather just keep it. The only other card I have even comparable is a Mookie rookie auto. But if someone would offer four figures for a card, I would really need to think about it.
 

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That’s gotta be the hardest part for a more serious collector like you right? What’s it worth to hang on to something unique for a personal collection? So far I got an offer of $500 on the 1/1 Ohtani insert. For that type of money I’d rather just keep it. The only other card I have even comparable is a Mookie rookie auto. But if someone would offer four figures for a card, I would really need to think about it.
My collection isn't all that impressive (the Tatis definitely improved it though). I'm happy to sell players I don't collect, but there are a handful of current players (Tatis, Vlad, Devers, maybe Soto) that I'll hold on to almost regardless of offer.
 

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Agreed. I have a Judge #/5 Auto that I would probably sell for anything reasonable, but the Soto autos (#/10 and Chrome #/25) and the 1/1 Vlad won't be going anywhere anytime soon. My #/25 Bobby Witt Jr Auto is right there as well.