June NHL News Thread
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Nobody pisses away draft picks on UFA rights like the Islanders.
No chance he signs, right? He's 38, but still can play. I know he already has a Cup, but is he really going to sign his last contract to play for the Islanders?
No chance he signs, right? He's 38, but still can play. I know he already has a Cup, but is he really going to sign his last contract to play for the Islanders?
The Islanders certainly have enough cap room to make Boyle a competitive offer, though they will probably have to give him 3 years to get him to sign. I would only want him for 2 years, but Visnovsky is probably done, and Boyle would be a good replacement until some of the young defensemen they drafted recently are ready.
Anton Stralman is the d-man I want to see them go after in FA. Add Boyle, Stralman, bring up Griffin Reinhart, with Halak in net, and they have a good shot at the playoffs next year.
Anton Stralman is the d-man I want to see them go after in FA. Add Boyle, Stralman, bring up Griffin Reinhart, with Halak in net, and they have a good shot at the playoffs next year.
Leblanc spent 2 years scuffling in the AHL so the Habs moving him isn't a huge surprise - I thought they'd get more than a 5th for him though.
Greg29fan said:
Link for the Therrien news. It's through 2018-19, so in all we could be getting five more years of "that crrrrrap..."
First round of buyouts coming through... Aaron Rome (Dallas), Ville Leino (Buffalo) and David Booth (Vancouver) are the first to go.
Sean Avery came out of the closet today. He's apparently engaged.
http://elitedaily.com/sports/new-york-rangers-legend-sean-avery-comes-out-as-gay-is-engaged-to-another-man/
He's still an asshole.
http://elitedaily.com/sports/new-york-rangers-legend-sean-avery-comes-out-as-gay-is-engaged-to-another-man/
He's still an asshole.
In 3 years with Buffalo, Leino played 137 games, scored 10 goals, had 36 assists and was a -18. And he made $16 million.
TheShynessClinic said:
I don't trust the credibility of that report. Sean Avery isn't a Rangers legend.
TheShynessClinic said:
He certainly is an asshole, but that linked story is almost a year old and likely not true. Avery's currently engaged to Hilary Rhoda.
MoGator71 said:
I'll bite.
I was one of the few (idiots) who didn't hate the contract. In his first full season, he put up a 20 goal season, appeared competent in his defensive end, and was proficient with his shot (his 16.2% was 15th best out of qualified players).
I didn't think he was going to be some kind of stud, but I thought he had an opportunity to be a top 6 forward who could get you 65 points and play solid defense. If you can get that player for $4.5 a year through a good chunk of his prime (28-33 years old), I think it's a chance worth taking.
This obviously didn't work out, but I thought it was a good gamble by the Sabres at the time.
Of course, I was completely wrong.
A guy puts up 65 points a season and plays solid defense is a stud. There are not many of those guys in the league. For example the Bruins would have only one guy who made the cut of what you describe above (Krejci with 69 points) and they were the best team points wise in the league last year.
Hence I think you drastically over estimated Leino's potential.
Hence I think you drastically over estimated Leino's potential.
BoSoxFink said:
He put up 53 points in his first full NHL season and received a handful of Selke votes. I don't think it was a "drastic over-estimation" to think he hadn't peaked in his first full season. Expecting him to notch another 3-4 goals and 7-8 assists doesn't seem like a huge stretch, nor does it seem like a stretch to assume a player would get better defensively.
Again, I'm sure there were a ton of peripheral issues and question marks with him, but at first glance - and as someone with an intimate and deep knowledge of his skill by playing NHL 2011 - I thought the gamble might pay off for the Sabres.
Yeah, I can see how his production that year would seem to indicate good things were coming. One thing to remember when looking at players is that shooting percentage is basically useless without a multi-year sample. One thing to look at to predict future production year to year is Goals For% versus Corsi%:
http://www.mc79hockey.com/2014/03/two-graphs-and-480-words-that-will-convince-you-on-corsi/
Basically, guys whose GF% drastically exceeds their Corsi% are due for a collapse. His GF% in 2010-2011 was 57.6%. I can't find his Corsi, but his Fenwick (Corsi less blocked shots) for that year was 50.5%, so the Flyers would have had to block a shitload of shots or have had a shitload of shots blocked while he was on the ice to get his Corsi in line with that GF%.
http://www.mc79hockey.com/2014/03/two-graphs-and-480-words-that-will-convince-you-on-corsi/
Basically, guys whose GF% drastically exceeds their Corsi% are due for a collapse. His GF% in 2010-2011 was 57.6%. I can't find his Corsi, but his Fenwick (Corsi less blocked shots) for that year was 50.5%, so the Flyers would have had to block a shitload of shots or have had a shitload of shots blocked while he was on the ice to get his Corsi in line with that GF%.
Alex Killorn gets 2/$5.1 from Tampa. Probably the starting point for Reilly Smith's next contract. Smith was a bit more productive, so I'd guess he lands somewhere in the $2.75-$3 million AAV neighborhood.
If that's the case, would that make Chicago the first city to host the WC twice? I know a few teams have been in it twice.
The Rangers are going to pay him ~$21 million between now and 2026 to not play for them. Nice.
I said in the Stanley Cup thread, but I think Joe Thornton would be a good fit for the Rangers with the cap space they just created.
I said in the Stanley Cup thread, but I think Joe Thornton would be a good fit for the Rangers with the cap space they just created.
Seriously considering going to see Recchi inducted. I'm actually kind of bummed it's such a good class because it's going to be a popular one to go to. And I don't really like people all that much.
FL4WL3SS said:
A maximum of only four players each year can be elected. I think the four I mentioned are the ones, but we'll see.
Didn't say they'd get elected, but they'll get some votes. I could actually see a case for Weight getting in over Forsberg.
FL4WL3SS said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you did. Your post prompted me to look the rule up (four players max) and I thought I'd share it with others.
By the way, I'm taking my son to the Hockey HOF for the first time next month (going to also see a couple of Sox-Jays games). For those who've been, any tips on how to maximize the experience? Can it be seen in a day? Is it likely to be crowded in late July?
Well if you're going purely on numbers, Forsberg doesn't stack up to any of those guys 249-636-885. So yeah, a case could be made for Weight over Forsberg, like I said.
Looking at it now, I'm not sure either of them get in, to be honest.
Looking at it now, I'm not sure either of them get in, to be honest.
Forsberg is a lock, IMO. 2 Cup's, a Hart and an Art Ross to his name. His was the best player in hockey at his peak before being derailed by injury. 1.25 PPG over his career is pretty absurd, especially since his peak years were during the clutch 'n grab and trap era of the NHL. Neely was elected in (correctly) which in a way set the standard fo them voting in guys who had their careers shortened due to injury.
Doug Weight is a tough call, but I'd probably leave him out. He played forever but really only had 1 elite season (95/96) when he had 104 points in 82 games.
Doug Weight is a tough call, but I'd probably leave him out. He played forever but really only had 1 elite season (95/96) when he had 104 points in 82 games.
Love that trade for the Blue Jackets. Umberger hasn't fulfilled his potential and the Jackets get back some grit and personality while gaining a little offensively.
Not sure what the Flyers are doing, but that's usually what we say this time of year. Not much cap space being saved.
I mean, I guess they get out from under the final 2 years of the Hartnell deal, but the Umberger contract is pretty terrible and he's signed for 3 more years.
I mean, I guess they get out from under the final 2 years of the Hartnell deal, but the Umberger contract is pretty terrible and he's signed for 3 more years.
Rob Blake, Peter Forsberg, Dominic Hasek and Mike Modano are the players in this years HOF class. Bill McCreary goes in as a ref and FINALLY Pat Burns. They are still losers for not electing him in when he was alive.
Not sure what happened with Recchi. Seems like a no-brainer first ballot guy to me, probably over Blake at least.
Not sure what happened with Recchi. Seems like a no-brainer first ballot guy to me, probably over Blake at least.
Holy shit, are you serious? Recchi was, in my mind, as much of a lock as anyone there.
Looks like they needed to sit one guy out to get in a past nominee and Recchi drew the short straw. Forsberg should have been the one to sit a year, in my mind.
EDIT: Recchi, for what it's worth, is 12th on the all time points list. Doesn't make sense.
Looks like they needed to sit one guy out to get in a past nominee and Recchi drew the short straw. Forsberg should have been the one to sit a year, in my mind.
EDIT: Recchi, for what it's worth, is 12th on the all time points list. Doesn't make sense.