Justin Blackmon suspended for 4 games

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9228472/justin-blackmon-jacksonville-jaguars-suspended-four-games
 
Rap also tweets: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/329371293512245248
 
Justin Blackmon left himself vulnerable with his suspension. All his guarantees are null/void, per his contract. Could be cut with no $ paid
 
 
Which is basically what Florio wrote here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/30/blackmons-contract-makes-him-vulnerable/ (love Rap)
 
The timing was not good, because it gave the Jaguars extensive leverage in their contract talks with Blackmon, who had a DUI at Oklahoma State, too.  The Jags parlayed that leverage into a contract that deferred 40 percent of his signing bonus into future roster bonuses.  As of right now, roughly $4 million has not been paid.
 
Blackmon also agreed to have all future guarantees wiped out in the event of a suspension, which we’re told is a standard provision in all guaranteed rookie contracts.  This means that the Jags can now pull the plug on Blackmon’s deal and owe him nothing more, even though top five players otherwise get fully guaranteed contracts for four seasons.
 
There's no way Jags cut loose on a productive top #5 pick. Way to fill in the 'dead' NFL offseason fellas. 
 

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jacklamabe65 said:
I misread this and thought it said, Justice Blackmon has been suspended for four games.Talk about an activist court.
 
I'm confused... the article says he was suspended for four games and that it could cost him his contract.
 

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lithos2003 said:
I'm confused... the article says he was suspended for four games and that it could cost him his contract.
 
Because of the DUI, his contract had extra language which makes it very easy for the Jags to get rid of him without paying the rest of his signing bonus if he got suspended.
 

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Because of the DUI, his contract had extra language which makes it very easy for the Jags to get rid of him without paying the rest of his signing bonus if he got suspended.
 
Right - and the first article linked to says that he's been suspended for the first 4 games of the 2013 season... thereby the Jaguars could potentially void his contract with no money owed.  So I was confused as to why Jack was confused.
 

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Right - and the first article linked to says that he's been suspended for the first 4 games of the 2013 season... thereby the Jaguars could potentially void his contract with no money owed.  So I was confused as to why Jack was confused.

 
Reread Jack's post. Click this link. Laugh.  :buddy: 

Hah. I get it now. Sorry for the confusion...
 

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I would do a fucking dance in the middle of Harvard Square if that happened.
Arr, that's Handsome Pete, he dances for nickels.
 
 

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I would have an erection lasting more than four hours if he ended up in a Pats uni. Still, I'm in the "under 4%" camp on that one.
 

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He's not getting cut. If he is cut he gets put on waivers right? If so wouldn't someone else grab him before he gets to NE? Even if he got to NE I have my doubts if BB would snag him.
 

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Blackmon was the leading rookie in receptions and receiving yards. Blaine Gabbert was his QB for half the season, Chad Henne the other half. He's not getting cut; all things considered, 64 catches and 865 yards was a great rookie season. 
 

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Inexplicably, my son decided about a year ago that his favorite NFL team is the Jaguars. This is not without disadvantages (at Christmas time, you can't just stroll into Bob's and pick up a Cecil Shorts T-shirt), but it means I have more to say about this topic than I otherwise would.
 
Two observations:
 
- The Jags' canned their GM after the season. The new GM (David Caldwell) has steered away from high-priced free agents and made solid but not splashy draft picks -- including two WRs in the middle rounds (assuming you count Denard Robinson as a wideout). It's clear that Caldwell has ownership's blessing to field a terrible team again in 2013 if that's the right way to build for 2014 and beyond. Sure, the Jags have historically been mismanaged, but there's no indication that's still the case.
 
- Cecil Shorts wasn't a starter at the beginning of the season but still finished with 55 catches for 979 yards. Blackmon played the whole season and had 64 catches for 865 yards. Sure, that's a solid debut, and Blackmon isn't a bust by any means, but when you're not the biggest big-play threat on a woeful team like the Jags, you have basically no chance of becoming a game-changer like Megatron or A.J. Green (which I presume is what the Jags thought Blackmon could be).
 
Pulling those facts together: Caldwell didn't draft Blackmon, so it's no skin off his nose to admit that the kid's not going to be a star. And if he agrees with me that Blackmon won't be a star, all his value to the Jags resides in the next 3 seasons -- and it's pretty clear that Caldwell expects his team to suck for at least 1 of those 3 seasons.
 
So while Caldwell isn't stupid enough to cut Blackmon to make a point, he could very well be available by trade. The Jags could let Blackmon go, let Ace Sanders play every down (or Robinson, if he makes the position change seamlessly), and likely pocket a 1st round pick in next year's draft.
 
So let's frame the question a little differently -- if you were BB, would you trade your 1st rounder next season for Blackmon?
 

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- The Jags' canned their GM after the season. The new GM (David Caldwell) has steered away from high-priced free agents and made solid but not splashy draft picks -- including two WRs in the middle rounds (assuming you count Denard Robinson as a wideout). It's clear that Caldwell has ownership's blessing to field a terrible team again in 2013 if that's the right way to build for 2014 and beyond. Sure, the Jags have historically been mismanaged, but there's no indication that's still the case.
 
So let's frame the question a little differently -- if you were BB, would you trade your 1st rounder next season for Blackmon?
 
1. Or, fielding a bad team again this year further suppresses attendance, shaves one more year off the stadium lease and gets them one year closer to qualifying for the discount on their penalty fee for leaving Jacksonville. 
 
The agreement requires the team to pay whatever is left on the lease, which totals just over $145 million spread over the 35-year term of the deal. Right now, according to a city analysis of the rental income, the team owes just over $100 million. It would also have to pony up money related to things like missed ticket surcharges and parking revenue, which would add up to almost $1 million a year.
 
If the team can show it has lost money for a year and had below-average revenue the following two years, though, that payout gets cut by about 40 percent.
 
 
 
I don't think Jacksonville will have an NFL team at the end of this decade. Whether Khan moves them to London or LA or Mexico City...they are going somewhere. The fan base just isn't there for long term viability. 
 
I don't disagree that Caldwell's plan is sound, viable long term franchise building. And I've liked most of their moves, including Gus Bradley as the HC. I wouldn't let your son get too attached to Jacksonville...but the Jags are going place in the future. 
 
2. Absolutely not - Blackmon is one violation from a year long suspension. He may very well be talented but he's got personal problems to have two of these incidents in less than 18 months and there's no way allocating a first round pick to a player who may potentially provide no value is a good idea.
 

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I doubt the Jags are tanking in order to lose money. If they moved to L.A. (or any other big city) with a stadium deal in place, the franchise's value would increase by much more than the penalties owed to the city of Jacksonville. In that case, Khan would bring in a local investor (which he'd probably want to do anyway) for $100mm or so and use the cash to pay off the City of Jacksonville.
 
Back on topic, I understand the reluctance to give value for a player with Blackmon's issues, but every draft pick is "a player who may potentially provide no value," right? Is Blackmon going off the deep end that much more likely than the #30 pick in the draft (give or take) being worthless as a pro player?
 

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maufman said:
I doubt the Jags are tanking in order to lose money. If they moved to L.A. (or any other big city) with a stadium deal in place, the franchise's value would increase by much more than the penalties owed to the city of Jacksonville. In that case, Khan would bring in a local investor (which he'd probably want to do anyway) for $100mm or so and use the cash to pay off the City of Jacksonville.
 
Back on topic, I understand the reluctance to give value for a player with Blackmon's issues, but every draft pick is "a player who may potentially provide no value," right? Is Blackmon going off the deep end that much more likely than the #30 pick in the draft (give or take) being worthless as a pro player?
 
Tanking to get that 40% discount...we can agree to disagree. I think they're outta there. 
 
On topic, every draft pick carries risk but Blackmon's risk is much higher than the risk that #29 or #52 is a "wasted" pick. Blackmon needs one specific screw up and it's something he has a proven weakness for or about. A draft pick needs lots of little screw ups or bad luck (etc.) to be a bust. 
 

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My line of thinking was that the City of Jacksonville wouldn't let Khan out without forcing all the NFL's owners to open their books, which of course they will never do. Even the threat of litigation, however, may be enough for Khan to settle for something less than the full discount. Khan wouldn't screw up his $800mm enterprise to get that $40mm discount, but if he can get the discount (or even a negotiated fraction of it) without hurting his business in the long run, that's a different story.
 

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maufman said:
- Cecil Shorts wasn't a starter at the beginning of the season but still finished with 55 catches for 979 yards. Blackmon played the whole season and had 64 catches for 865 yards. Sure, that's a solid debut, and Blackmon isn't a bust by any means, but when you're not the biggest big-play threat on a woeful team like the Jags, you have basically no chance of becoming a game-changer like Megatron or A.J. Green (which I presume is what the Jags thought Blackmon could be).
 
Screw you man my Megatron comparison in the fantasy draft thread was totally warranted!
 

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Putting aside other issues, Jags have said Denard Robinson will be a RB anyway.
 

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My line of thinking was that the City of Jacksonville wouldn't let Khan out without forcing all the NFL's owners to open their books, which of course they will never do. Even the threat of litigation, however, may be enough for Khan to settle for something less than the full discount. Khan wouldn't screw up his $800mm enterprise to get that $40mm discount, but if he can get the discount (or even a negotiated fraction of it) without hurting his business in the long run, that's a different story.
 
I don't believe they would need ALL the books, just the Jaguars books. But you're right - at that level, $100M might as well be $60M; it's pocket change to the value of the business and the incentives/partnerships reaped by moving to London or LA, etc. The Jags could easily sell a minority ownership stake to a new "local" investor and use that to pay off Jacksonville, while still profiting every step of the way. Magic Johnson's group could just write them a check or give them a good price on Beckett-per-pound. 
 

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maufman said:
Inexplicably, my son decided about a year ago that his favorite NFL team is the Jaguars. This is not without disadvantages (at Christmas time, you can't just stroll into Bob's and pick up a Cecil Shorts T-shirt), but it means I have more to say about this topic than I otherwise would.
 
Two observations:
 

- Cecil Shorts wasn't a starter at the beginning of the season but still finished with 55 catches for 979 yards. Blackmon played the whole season and had 64 catches for 865 yards. Sure, that's a solid debut, and Blackmon isn't a bust by any means, but when you're not the biggest big-play threat on a woeful team like the Jags, you have basically no chance of becoming a game-changer like Megatron or A.J. Green (which I presume is what the Jags thought Blackmon could be).
 
 
Megatron his rookie season didn't start every game, had 48 catches for 756 yards, and wasn't the leading receiver on his team.  Any given rookie is unlikely to turn into Calvin Johnson, but I don't think Blackmon's season really rules it out.  Gabbert/Henne seems a similarly bad QB situation to having Jon Kitna as your starter.
 

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Did anyone see any more details about the rest-of-2013 suspension that he got on Friday?  I was in an airport bar heading home and saw it on the ESPN bottom crawl, I just shook my head.  (4-game suspension to start the season, play 4-5 games, suspended for the rest of the year...)
 
Based on the reports this morning that he's going to rehab I am assuming it's another DUI/alcohol-related issue but there's not a lot to go on.
 

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Blackmon was arrested yet again for marijuana possession.  He's already suspended indefinitely.  I guess he goes on double secret suspension.
 
I think there are good odds he's never getting back in the NFL.
 

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I really thought he was going to be a world beater. What a shame, that wasted talent.
 
If only he were a woman beater, the Sheriff would've only given him a two game suspension.
 

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If only he were a woman beater, the Sheriff would've only given him a two game suspension.
 
Actually, this would be, like, his 3rd offense.
 
He'd probably miss 6 games.
 

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I want to have sympathy for these guys who get in trouble with the NFL for smoking weed, but for fuck's sake why are you smoking it in a moving car?  What a dumbass.
 

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I want to have sympathy for these guys who get in trouble with the NFL for smoking weed, but for fuck's sake why are you smoking it in a moving car?  What a dumbass.
 
That's kind of where I'm at. Want to post something self-righteous about the idiocy of such a draconian penalty for something that's virtually legal now yadda yadda yadda, but then it's like....yeah, what a fuckin' idiot, deserves what he gets just for sheer stupidity.
 

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Yeah, I think he's dumb for smoking weed with so much at stake.
 
Then I remember when I was in my 20s living in Japan. Getting caught meant going to jail for two or three weeks of interrogation, then either going to prison for a couple of years or being deported, never to return.  End of job, girlfriend, friends, etc. Yet I smoked a lot of good hash there, even though I had to buy it from sketchy people.
 
The moral of this story is that I'm just as dumb as Blackmon.
 

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Just smoke it in the house rather than in the car, that's all I'm saying.  If that is really such a hardship and he absolutely had to light up in the car, then he's an idiot, or he has a serious problem, or both.
 

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What's awesome is when guys get nailed during the League testing period. Players know when that period is, and also know that once they clear it (unless they are subject to random tests), they are good for another year.

So it's not really a drug testing regime. It's an intelligence test with a bar an inch off the ground.
 

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NFL: "Hey, we'll pay you millions of dollars to stop getting drunk and smoking weed."

JB: "No thanks guys."


Bradley has been saying for months that he hasn't heard from JB in a long time let alone have the chance to help him work through his problems (which, according to him he doesn't have). It's like he's actively trying to get fired since day 1.