Juwan Howard needs a time out
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Howard has probably coached his last game of the year, and possibly ever, at Michigan.
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Howard has probably coached his last game of the year, and possibly ever, at Michigan.
I didn’t think it was all that bad. If Juwan Howard ever throws a punch, it won’t look like that.
But obviously, it’s predictable that players are going to jump in to defend their coaches on both sides, which is why a coach absolutely can’t do what Howard did.
He’ll sit a few games, and should, but this isn’t Bobby Knight throwing a chair.
But obviously, it’s predictable that players are going to jump in to defend their coaches on both sides, which is why a coach absolutely can’t do what Howard did.
He’ll sit a few games, and should, but this isn’t Bobby Knight throwing a chair.
I don't know. I think it wasn't that bad until he threw a punch. That took it to another level.
I edited my post. Basically, I didn’t think it was much of a punch.
Strong disagree, it was clearly a punch. That's how you punch when you have three people between you and your target.
Definitely an open-handed slap by Howard, and it’s in response to a Wisconsin coach getting into it with a Michigan player.
And you don't feel that deserves a firing? The coach who represents the school and is supposed to be leading kids just threw a punch and escalated what could have been a full on melee.
His ass should be fired before they enter back into the state of Michigan
Howard reared back - it was a open-handed punch. And he started it with jawing and putting his finger in the coach’s face.
IMO a fireable offense for a college coach.
Here is a slo-mo - he winded up but unclenched on the followthrough.
View: https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1495491389722968064?s=21
View: https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1495491389722968064?s=21
Howard reacted to something that happened in the scrum between one of his players and one of the Wisconsin assistants. It wasn’t an escalation of his initial beef with the Wisconsin head coach. Of course he’ll be suspended, but I think there’s more to this story.
The scrum existed only as an escalation of his initial beef with the Wisconsin head coach.
I’m actually not saying to fire him, but I think you’re minimizing his actions way too much.
I think he should sit for 3-5 games. That’s a stiff penalty by historic standards.
I don't ask to be snarky but what is the last example of a head coach throwing a punch at another coach? I can't think of a recent historical standard for this. He should be done for the season.
If Howard threw a punch, that Wisconsin coach would be in a coma.
He smacked that dude upside the head. I wouldn’t be shocked if the dude had it coming — we’ll find out more about this, I’m sure. Regardless, I’m just not seeing the incident as being as severe as many of y’all are.
Krabbenhoft did make a lot of effort to get to Howard it seemed. Tried pushing through multiple players/coaches.
Assault is assault. Opening your first when striking the top of someone’s head is a pro move. Metacarpals vs the cranium is a bad move. And if a 280 pound dude turns over a slap, you’re still gonna see blue.
I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen to him.
Best case is that he sits for the remainder of the regular season. Worst case is that he misses the conference tourney and anything after that or he gets fired.
I don’t think he’ll be fired for a number of reasons, but it would absolutely be justified if that’s how they want to play it.
This is my understanding as well. That said, it’s a line a head coach cannot cross.
Honestly, only thing I can compare it to is the famous Bob Knight chair throw.
View: https://youtu.be/ukpekodCQ-U
Which if it happened today, would have been covered by the media in a completely different manner than it did back then.
Yes I’m absolutely sure the upstanding white man did nothing whatsoever to make the angry Black man take a swipe at him.
Seriously, this isn’t domestic violence. When one man hits another man, there’s usually a reason, and the right and wrong of it is often messy — even if the discipline is pretty straightforward (i.e., Howard is going to get hit worse than anyone else).
Look, I think this incident is less than a huge deal — Howard should miss a few games, and everyone else should just get a stern talking-to. But if it’s truly something serious, then let’s have a full investigation and get to the bottom of exactly what happened.
Oh come on. There are plenty of places to bring race into the conversation and this doesn't seem like one of them. Howard crossed a line and he has a bit of a history with this stuff so people aren't piling on for no reason.
No one else has brought up the history, and I’m unfamiliar with it. What is it?
Exactly. What is Howard supposed to do — let the opposing coach lay hands on his player? Let the player defend himself?
The whole situation doesn’t happen if Howard isn’t a hothead, so he gets the largest share of blame, but if we really want to make a capital case of it, there were a lot of people acting inappropriately in that scrum.
Listen, in a vacuum I agree with you and I might’ve done the same, but I’m not a coach and leader of students and when you take that position, there’s a different standard. Not saying the other coach shouldn’t be punished as well, but we see scrums all the time in all sports. You really can’t let your hands go. If you could, there’d be more examples of coaches going Deacon Jones.
Obviously not a huge deal, but this will be the second time in a year that he has had a pretty major run in with another coach
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2935895-report-maryland-alleges-juwan-howard-told-mark-turgeon-ill-f-king-kill-you
You keep saying this and I can't find any evidence of this. Howard hasn't said it in the stories I see.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2022/02/20/michigan-basketball-coach-juwan-howard-should-fired-finley/6873261001/
Another angle--it has nothing to do with a Wisconsin asst. and a Michigan player:
View: https://twitter.com/JeannaTrotmanTV/status/1495536258600292352?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
And there are already calls to fire him:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2022/02/20/michigan-basketball-coach-juwan-howard-should-fired-finley/6873261001/
Howard should absolutely be fired over this. It’s not even his first offense. He had to be held back from the Maryland coach after a Big Ten tournament game last season.
If he’s not fired, where the hell is the line? Drawing blood?
Also, breaking out to a new thread.
If he’s not fired, where the hell is the line? Drawing blood?
Also, breaking out to a new thread.
The only person who it would be understandable for Juwan Howard to punch for calling a timeout with so little time left would be Chris Webber.
Coaches can’t be allowed to physically harm other coaches. He needs to at least be suspended for the rest of the season.
Coaches can’t be allowed to physically harm other coaches. He needs to at least be suspended for the rest of the season.
It turns out the assistant put hands on Howard himself, not on one of Michigan players. Thought I saw a player engaged with that coach on the replay. Obviously makes Howard’s actions less defensible that one of his players wasn’t involved, since I can’t imagine he feared for his personal safety in that situation.
Again, I think way too much is being made of this, but if Howard is going to sit five games (what they’ve got left before postseason tourneys) or more, others should be sitting too. If the Wisconsin head coach lets Howard pass without shaking his hand, or if the Wisconsin assistant pulls his boss away from the situation instead of laying his hands on Howard, we aren’t talking about this.
It has to be be big. This just can't happen. It's a pretty big line to even say anything to the other coach. You can be pissed about it, use it as fuel, but you should not act like a player. I think rest of the year at least.
The assistant who shoved with a player needs some punishment too. Once you get entangled with the other team get the hell out. This isn't some AAU or men's league. Maybe the Assistant coach is taking one for the team. Juwan gets fired, suspended, whatever helps them in recruiting etc.
The timeout is a bit of a dick move, but the guys was coaching his bench kids, who don't get to play, so rather than letting time expire, he acted like he would with the starters. I made a mistakes like that, calling a timeout when game was over. I said to the other coach, "sorry but my bench guys are dummies, trying to make a point."
The assistant who shoved with a player needs some punishment too. Once you get entangled with the other team get the hell out. This isn't some AAU or men's league. Maybe the Assistant coach is taking one for the team. Juwan gets fired, suspended, whatever helps them in recruiting etc.
The timeout is a bit of a dick move, but the guys was coaching his bench kids, who don't get to play, so rather than letting time expire, he acted like he would with the starters. I made a mistakes like that, calling a timeout when game was over. I said to the other coach, "sorry but my bench guys are dummies, trying to make a point."
Stupid unwritten rules. I don’t understand how one team can continue to play hard and expect the other team not to do likewise.
I don't think anyone is saying a slap is OK. I do think people are acknowledging a slap will hurt, but a punch from Howard could put a person in a coma (or worse). I think that's kind of a big difference.
It doesnt matter if it was a "slap" or a "punch" or a "trip" or a "hip check" or a "perfect form tackle." He hit the coach of the other team intentioanallly because he was mad at a late timeout. He can have a timeout now.
Its a big difference in outcome. It should not be a big difference in penalty.
Closest thing I can remember is Woody Hayes punching an opposing player in the 1978 Gator Bowl. He'd won 5 national championships at Ohio State and he still got fired. What's Juwan Howard won?
Which is exactly why Howard being pissed is stupid. The Wisconsin coach called a timeout because Michigan was pressing and instead of taking a ten second violation he called the timeout. If Howard wanted the game to just run its course then pull everyone back, but he didn't and he's pissed that Gard didn't just let it happen.
This is where I am. Incredibly embarrassing behavior from Howard. You're not a 13-YO or Brad Marchand. Stupid macho bullshit. Michigan AD issued a statement later last evening essentially apologizing to Wiscy. I'm sure it was, in part, to try and minimize subsequent punishment, but Howard best settle the fuck down in the aftermath or he'll find himself out of a job with a needless stain on his resume.
P.S. I'm a Michigan grad, and it's amusing to see the Buckeye "drive-bys" saying he should be fired.