Kareem Hunt - channeling his inner Ray Rice

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A lot of people say this sort of thing and it confuses me a little bit, although I may be operating under some false assumptions.

I don't think anyone is under any obligation to hand over surveillance recordings to anyone else, right? If I'm running a luxury hotel I'm probably not going to show them to anyone but law enforcement. When people assert that the NFL had access to or could have accessed these recordings, do they mean legally or illegally? Do we expect the NFL to break the law to keep tabs on their employees' private lives on the off chance that they commit crimes?

I am also under the impression that you can't just fire people on suspicion that they have committed a crime, particularly when they haven't been arrested or charged or anything. Even if they fire someone for being arrested, are they not open to lawsuits in the event that the person is acquitted or the charges are dropped (not to mention this also being pretty unfair to people who've been falsely accused, even though that's not the case in this situation)?

Please don't take this as me defending Hunt's actions or anything, and believe me, I don't want to defend Goodell or any of the NFL owners, many of whom seem like terrible people. The NFL isn't God, though, and I think it's a little bit ridiculous to expect them to keep tabs on the private lives of every player and coach employed by NFL franchises.
You raise a fair question and you don't come off as a Hunt defender.

To clarify, I dont know if the team or league attempted to obtain the video. However my take is that they had an inkling one or more videos of the incident existed and had a plan in place if it came to light. I could be mistaken but the quick release seems too tidy, especially for an organization that drafted and features Hill.

As for dcmissle's observation that lifetime bans aren't just, I agree. However the NFL, amongst other leagues, has a problem with domestic violence. There are reasons for that that are inherently related to the sport itself but regardless, its clear something needs to be done.

Banning a Hunt or Mixon or Rice for life may not be fair and this approach has its own set of problems (e.g. a spouse not speaking up about abuse for fear of negatively impacting their family's ability to pay the bills). However, the league's current approach isn't working at deterring any of this behavior and they have shown no signs that they are addressing domestic violence with anything other than cosmetic measures.
 

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Why is domestic violence being brought up? This was not domestic violence. It was violence against a female yes, but they had just met that evening.
 

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IANAL, but is it possible that lawyers for such companies would require a subpoena so that they can show they are acting under court order and thus prevent any (frivolous or not) civil lawsuits?
It's possible I suppose. I work on a psychiatric unit and if one patient accused another of assault we probably wouldn't release tape without a subpoena for privacy reasons. But really that seems way different than a potential crime being committed in a hotel hallway. If the hotel security saw someone setting a fire in the hallway would they immediately turn that over to the police or would they say to the cops "Gee, we think we saw someone committing a crime on our property. Can you go get a court order so we can show you?" It makes no sense to me.

ED: And anyway couldn't the victim sue the hotel (even "frivolously") for not cooperating?
 

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It's possible I suppose. I work on a psychiatric unit and if one patient accused another of assault we probably wouldn't release tape without a subpoena for privacy reasons. But really that seems way different than a potential crime being committed in a hotel hallway. If the hotel security saw someone setting a fire in the hallway would they immediately turn that over to the police or would they say to the cops "Gee, we think we saw someone committing a crime on our property. Can you go get a court order so we can show you?" It makes no sense to me.

ED: And anyway couldn't the victim sue the hotel (even "frivolously") for not cooperating?
The difference of course is that the girls weren't staying at the hotel. The police pretty clearly state that they are on private property hence can't force the hotel to turn over the tapes. I"m willing to bet that if the girls were the ones staying at the hotel and were accosted by people not staying there the situation would be quite different.

The hotel is always going to protect their guests.
 

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Tears streamed down Kareem Hunt’s cheeks Friday evening after he learned of his fate with the Kansas City Chiefs, the team he had starred for in 2017 and ’18.

The Chiefs sent Hunt home moments after TMZ Sports posted a video of Hunt shoving and kicking a woman in a hallway of a downtown Cleveland hotel on the morning of Feb. 10. Hours later, they called him back to tell him in person they were releasing him.

Hunt cried in front of his coaches and members of the front office, according to multiple league sources with knowledge of the situation. With trembling emotion in his voice, Hunt apologized for his mistake and pleaded to the Chiefs to reconsider their decision.

“It really felt like a funeral,” one source told The Athletic on Saturday as the Chiefs prepared to play the AFC West rival Raiders without the star running back.

As Hunt was dealing with the shock of his contract being terminated, he also was given an emphatic message from multiple team officials, according to sources close to the team: The Chiefs don’t want Hunt’s future to be similar to what former NFL running back Ray Rice experienced. Rice, who played six seasons for the Ravens, was never given a second opportunity in the NFL after a 2014 video — also posted by TMZ Sports — showed him assaulting his girlfriend inside an Atlantic City elevator.

The Chiefs told Hunt that he would never play in their uniform again, but they would do what they could to help him remain in the NFL if he takes the necessary steps to improve his behavior and make better decisions.
The Chiefs, according to multiple league sources, knew video evidence of the altercation existed, but they were told by the NFL to stop pursuing it later in February once the league began its investigation. The league, however, couldn’t obtain the video.

Hunt complicated his situation, according to a team source, by not informing the Chiefs of the incident later that February day. The Chiefs learned of Hunt’s altercation after it became public through two police reports, neither of which included anything about Hunt kicking the woman. In the months that followed, the Chiefs asked Hunt multiple times to be completely truthful about what happened that night.
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The Chiefs also come out looking bad

In their statement Friday night, the Chiefs said Hunt was released in large part because he was “not truthful” to his employer. Had Hunt told the truth in February, the Chiefs, according to team sources, would have pursued every option available to them through the league to ensure the possibility of him remaining on the team’s roster.

So if he told the truth, and then the video came out thats ok? So Hunt Lieing to you was the final straw, not hitting and kicking a women?
 
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Hunt cried when facing the consequences of his actions in the face of his employers, but didn't stop to think twice about assaulting a defenseless female?

Color me unsympathetic.
 

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You raise a fair question and you don't come off as a Hunt defender.

To clarify, I dont know if the team or league attempted to obtain the video. However my take is that they had an inkling one or more videos of the incident existed and had a plan in place if it came to light. I could be mistaken but the quick release seems too tidy, especially for an organization that drafted and features Hill.

As for dcmissle's observation that lifetime bans aren't just, I agree. However the NFL, amongst other leagues, has a problem with domestic violence. There are reasons for that that are inherently related to the sport itself but regardless, its clear something needs to be done.

Banning a Hunt or Mixon or Rice for life may not be fair and this approach has its own set of problems (e.g. a spouse not speaking up about abuse for fear of negatively impacting their family's ability to pay the bills). However, the league's current approach isn't working at deterring any of this behavior and they have shown no signs that they are addressing domestic violence with anything other than cosmetic measures.
Please explain how domestic violence is inherent to the sport?
 

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Please explain how domestic violence is inherent to the sport?
To clarify, violence. Not just the domestic variety. You know its a violent sport and you also know that to succeed at this game at the highest level, most players have to have a different relationship with physical violence than normal people right? Or do you disagree?

Also, have you read "League Of Denial" or watched the Frontline documentary about CTE and its impact on behaviors?

I am curious why you take issue with my statement. To be fair, the information is mixed but there is data out there showing that the NFL and NBA have the highest rates of domestic violence/assault arrests. I haven't seen recent data but my sense is that the football has surpassed basketball of late given recent headlines.
 

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That your premise of the Chiefs not being able to or knowing how to get the tape is naive.
You have proof that the Chiefs security staff has the ability to get a security tape from any hotel in the world? Is that what you're saying? It's literally possible for them to get anything they want? They are that good? It sounds like you're saying "I don't know how they would have gotten it, I don't know if they knew anyone in Cleveland, or knew anyone in that hotel, or knew anyone in the police department there, but they have security that used to be FBI or something, so there is no doubt whatsoever that they can get any security tape anywhere at any time."

Yeah, that's proof, for sure. I hope you're not defending anyone in court any time soon.


We do. You really believe the hiring policies of the franchises are dramatically different from the head office?

Now who’s being naive, Kay?
What the fuck are you talking about? Hiring policies? What? The only thing I said was that until I hear otherwise, I'm not going to bury the Chiefs for not obtaining the tape. As it now turns out, it sounds like the league ordered them not to even try to obtain the tape.
 

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Please explain how domestic violence is inherent to the sport?
If I'm not mistaken, there have been 4 domestic violence incidents involving NFL players in 2018. There have been 5 DV cases in the Major Leagues in 2018. Considering NFL players outnumber MLB players by more than two to one, it seems like it may be more inherent to baseball.

And shhh, don't tell anyone that Steven Wright of the Boston Red Sox is one of those 5. Folks would have driven to his house to pick him up and give him a ride to the post-season if he was healthy enough to come out of the pen.
 

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I’ll buy the CTE angle. I don’t know the relevant comparison is to players of other sports. It’s probably to rates of violence among people growing up in similar socioeconomic conditions.

I took exception because I imagine whatever logic you’d apply to football would apply to boxing, but I found myself more weary and less aggressive when fighting than not. I’d imagine football players feel the same. Of course, steroid usage is probably higher, too.
 

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You have proof that the Chiefs security staff has the ability to get a security tape from any hotel in the world? Is that what you're saying? It's literally possible for them to get anything they want? They are that good? It sounds like you're saying "I don't know how they would have gotten it, I don't know if they knew anyone in Cleveland, or knew anyone in that hotel, or knew anyone in the police department there, but they have security that used to be FBI or something, so there is no doubt whatsoever that they can get any security tape anywhere at any time."

Yeah, that's proof, for sure. I hope you're not defending anyone in court any time soon.




What the fuck are you talking about? Hiring policies? What? The only thing I said was that until I hear otherwise, I'm not going to bury the Chiefs for not obtaining the tape. As it now turns out, it sounds like the league ordered them not to even try to obtain the tape.
Ummm, you’re the one that proposed the ‘how would they even know how to get it?’ line of argument. Whether they could or couldn’t is rather irrelevant. They hire teams of guys to figure that shit out. Whether they could or couldn’t be successful is another debate, but they weren’t exactly left to YouTube DIY videos here. But if you want to keep inching out that limb to defend them, that’s certainly your prerogative. I’m just not sure where they deserve the benefit of the doubt, so maybe find another avenue for it because that one sucks.
 

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Ummm, you’re the one that proposed the ‘how would they even know how to get it?’ line of argument. Whether they could or couldn’t is rather irrelevant. They hire teams of guys to figure that shit out. Whether they could or couldn’t be successful is another debate, but they weren’t exactly left to YouTube DIY videos here. But if you want to keep inching out that limb to defend them, that’s certainly your prerogative. I’m just not sure where they deserve the benefit of the doubt, so maybe find another avenue for it because that one sucks.
Now, they hire "teams of guys?" Where do you get this information? The CFO of the Patriots for 20 years was a close friend, and I can assure, he didn't have an armed team of goons that he was paying to go find surveillance tapes in Cleveland. It's just not even remotely true. They've got enough security issues to worry about keeping 60,000 fans safe every week. They don't hire teams of anything to keep tabs on their employees, and they certainly don't have the ability to get a surveillance video from anywhere at any time. TMZ doesn't even have that ability, but their ability is far greater than that of an NFL team.

That said, whether or not they were successful or could have been successful is not "another debate," it's literally exactly what I was fucking talking about. Here is what I wrote in my first post:

"The tape came out, they saw it, they released his ass. Until there is evidence to show that they really could have gotten the tape, or really did half-ass the investigation, you have to at least appreciate what they did today. If it comes out that they are lying too, and they either could have gotten, or did see the tape and were just hoping it would go away, then fuck them."

Let me explain something to you. That is not "defending" anyone. That's the problem around here. So many idiots read everything in black and white. I'm not taking a fucking side, so how can I be defending anyone? I'm just not passing judgment like you are. Do you really not understand the difference?
 

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Now, they hire "teams of guys?" Where do you get this information? The CFO of the Patriots for 20 years was a close friend, and I can assure, he didn't have an armed team of goons that he was paying to go find surveillance tapes in Cleveland. It's just not even remotely true. They've got enough security issues to worry about keeping 60,000 fans safe every week. They don't hire teams of anything to keep tabs on their employees, and they certainly don't have the ability to get a surveillance video from anywhere at any time. TMZ doesn't even have that ability, but their ability is far greater than that of an NFL team.

That said, whether or not they were successful or could have been successful is not "another debate," it's literally exactly what I was fucking talking about. Here is what I wrote in my first post:

"The tape came out, they saw it, they released his ass. Until there is evidence to show that they really could have gotten the tape, or really did half-ass the investigation, you have to at least appreciate what they did today. If it comes out that they are lying too, and they either could have gotten, or did see the tape and were just hoping it would go away, then fuck them."

Let me explain something to you. That is not "defending" anyone. That's the problem around here. So many idiots read everything in black and white. I'm not taking a fucking side, so how can I be defending anyone? I'm just not passing judgment like you are. Do you really not understand the difference?
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Edit: if you really think a billion dollar entity can’t procure a video tape from surveillance at a hotel, I’m not sure what to tell you. Did you not catch the details of the Ray Rice incident? Not only could they have gotten it, they quite likely had already seen it. And I never said you were defending anyone, I said you’re giving them the benefit of the doubt. Which I personally don’t think anyone associated with the league deserves. You clearly disagree, which is fine. But please stop with the premise it was some insurmountable obstacle to get the fucking tape.
 
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I understand why people are going after this particular boogie man, but it really doesnt matter.

It's not the NFL or the Chiefs responsibility to break the law in order to get this video. Full stop.

The NFL cares very little if this video gets released. They have no reason to pursue the video. Are the majority of people fuming at the NFL, or are they fuming at Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Tyreeke Hill (who is playing, but every person knows who he is and what he did), etc? The NFL has no morality because it doesnt need to.

People watch regardless of murderers, rapists, dog fighters, abusers, concussions, team manipulation of players (contracts, pain killers, etc), commercials, kneeling during anthems...you get the idea.

The NFL has no reason to break the law to get this video, nor does it have any reason to pursue any deeper than casual interviews. If this was a front office person or someone at the corporate office? Sure. Maybe. But some young, black, replaceable guy? The NFL has always shown that they could care less.

The NFL gets a bruise, Kareem Hunts career may he over. Both of those things are probably justifiable outcomes.
 

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The NFL gets a bruise, Kareem Hunts career may he over. Both of those things are probably justifiable outcomes.
What do people think is a justifiable outcome? I certainly don't think this should cost him his career. This was not the Ray Rice incident.

From what I can gather from searching OH law this would have been classified as Simple Assault and battery, a misdemeanor punishable to up to 6 months in jail and 1K fine.

For this to have been a felony it would have required serious injury or use of a deadly weapon.

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/ohio-law/ohio-assault-and-battery-laws.html

Naturally this should not go unpunished but I have a hard time accepting this should cost a 22 YO his career. Had this been felonious assault I would have a much different opinion.

I think extensive anger management counseling should be the first step followed by retribution in the form of a fine/charitable contribution plus x amount of hours to a charity focused on battered women followed by a suspension of 4-6 games.
 

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I’ll buy the CTE angle. I don’t know the relevant comparison is to players of other sports. It’s probably to rates of violence among people growing up in similar socioeconomic conditions.

I took exception because I imagine whatever logic you’d apply to football would apply to boxing, but I found myself more weary and less aggressive when fighting than not. I’d imagine football players feel the same. Of course, steroid usage is probably higher, too.
CTE was what I thought of when you posed the question, but of course that would apply to boxing as well. Before CTE there was Dementia Pugilistica.
 

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The NFL gets a bruise, Kareem Hunts career may he over. Both of those things are probably justifiable outcomes.
It might be over. But I tend to doubt it. Unlike two recent guys who never got back into the league after their very different incidents occurred -- Ray Rice and Colin Kaepernick -- Hunt is one of the best in the NFL at what he does. Some team will figure out a way to convince the itself that Hunt can be fixed and is worth the gamble. Would it surprise anyone if Hunt is on an NFL roster at the beginning of next season?
 

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It might be over. But I tend to doubt it. Unlike two recent guys who never got back into the league after their very different incidents occurred -- Ray Rice and Colin Kaepernick -- Hunt is one of the best in the NFL at what he does. Some team will figure out a way to convince the itself that Hunt can be fixed and is worth the gamble. Would it surprise anyone if Hunt is on an NFL roster at the beginning of next season?
Reuben Foster was claimed off waivers and is much worse at football than anyone you mentioned.

I"ll be very surprised if Hunt goes unclaimed. What was his trade value pre-incident, probably a low 1st, high 2nd rd pick. There are teams that will be willing to take the PR hit for a free high value asset. I could see the NYJ claiming him, perhaps BUF as well.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, there have been 4 domestic violence incidents involving NFL players in 2018. There have been 5 DV cases in the Major Leagues in 2018. Considering NFL players outnumber MLB players by more than two to one, it seems like it may be more inherent to baseball.

And shhh, don't tell anyone that Steven Wright of the Boston Red Sox is one of those 5. Folks would have driven to his house to pick him up and give him a ride to the post-season if he was healthy enough to come out of the pen.
It’s about 1700 to 750, based on roster sizes. Expand it to include practice squads and 40-mans, and the ratio does not change meaningfully in baseball’s favor.

This is another example of the burden of being young, minority, male and successful. Domestic violence is a significant problem, but it’s a societal problem. I’d bet the incidence rate in the general population dwarfs that in the NFL community.

There is no room for stereotypes based on hip hop music, dreadlocks and the violence of the sport. We have a whole thread about this thinking — I see a brown person, call 911. It is unjust.

As unjust as a lifetime ban for this offense, which I’ve just seen the video of, based on all the circumstances of this case.
 

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Isn't it time for a comprehensive, across the board policy on DV/violent assaults in the NFL? Something very clearly spelled out with serious consequences. It's a bit apples to oranges, but I'm thinking something that is clearly defined like the MLB anti drug policy. The NFL comes off as far more reactive than proactive when it comes to these issues, without a clear policy when these offenses occur. As for the thought that he doesn't deserve to have his career ended over this...I'm a big believer in seconded chances, however there are workplaces that will not condone this type of behavior and would not hesitate to suspend or terminate an employee over this sort of incident. A lot of folks lose their jobs for a variety of reasons. Some of there own doing and some through no fault of their own. I'm not advocating one way or the other when it comes to Hunt's future in The NFL, but a twenty two year old man has ample opportunity to carve out a good living for himself. I'm sure he has connections already that many twenty two year olds don't have that can assist him in that manner. I'm not overly concerned about Kareem Hunt's future employability in the NFL.
 

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Isn't it time for a comprehensive, across the board policy on DV/violent assaults in the NFL? Something very clearly spelled out with serious consequences. It's a bit apples to oranges, but I'm thinking something that is clearly defined like the MLB anti drug policy. The NFL comes off as far more reactive than proactive when it comes to these issues, without a clear policy when these offenses occur. As for the thought that he doesn't deserve to have his career ended over this...I'm a big believer in seconded chances, however there are workplaces that will not condone this type of behavior and would not hesitate to suspend or terminate an employee over this sort of incident. A lot of folks lose their jobs for a variety of reasons. Some of there own doing and some through no fault of their own. I'm not advocating one way or the other when it comes to Hunt's future in The NFL, but a twenty two year old man has ample opportunity to carve out a good living for himself. I'm sure he has connections already that many twenty two year olds don't have that can assist him in that manner. I'm not overly concerned about Kareem Hunt's future employability in the NFL.
The NFL has a domestic violence policy and assaults are covered under the Personal conduct policy. This was not DV so the penalites likely don't apply to that.

This is probably most similar to the Quincy Enunwa incident where he was charged with simple assault for an incident in a hotel room where a female injured her finger and head even though ultimately charges were dropped. Enunwa was suspended 4 games.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/sports/football/jets-quincy-enunwa-suspended-for-four-games.html?_r=0
 

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Two women who were members of the NFLPA's commission on domestic violence resigned in May after 4 years of non action despite their efforts. Here is an op ed by Deborah Epstein who was one of the two.

"On May 23, I resigned from the NFL Players Association’s commission on domestic violence. Susan Else, former president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence, resigned with me. I simply cannot continue to be part of a body that exists in name only."
https://www-washingtonpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/im-done-helping-the-nfl-pay-lip-service-to-domestic-violence-prevention/2018/06/05/1b470bec-6448-11e8-99d2-0d678ec08c2f_story.html?
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Two women who were members of the NFLPA's commission on domestic violence resigned in May after 4 years of non action despite their efforts. Here is an op ed by Deborah Epstein who was one of the two.

"On May 23, I resigned from the NFL Players Association’s commission on domestic violence. Susan Else, former president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence, resigned with me. I simply cannot continue to be part of a body that exists in name only."
https://www-washingtonpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/im-done-helping-the-nfl-pay-lip-service-to-domestic-violence-prevention/2018/06/05/1b470bec-6448-11e8-99d2-0d678ec08c2f_story.html?
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That's a good article and says a lot about the NFLPA who I haven't really seen called out in this thread at all.
Pro-tip, you can almost always cut out any text that follows a ? in a URL. Typically anything after that is for tracking or other unnecessary purposes. Occasionally if you are linking to a specific video you need the additional text but that is about it.
 

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Fuck. This. League.
Bit of a clickbait title assuming this is true "The NFL did reach out to the woman and her friend on multiple occasions, but they did not respond, officials said."
How can the NFL interview the girls if they don't want to talk to them?
Naturally if there is evidence to the contrary then I'll be happy to walk back the comment but I find it hard to slam them for "not interviewing" her if she didn't respond to multiple requests.
 

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Will people be surprised if NE is among the teams to put in a claim on Hunt? Lest we not forget that Corey Dillon, Donte Stallworth, Alfonzo Dennard, Willie Andrews all played for NE AFTER their transgressions.
 

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Isn't it time for a comprehensive, across the board policy on DV/violent assaults in the NFL? Something very clearly spelled out with serious consequences. It's a bit apples to oranges, but I'm thinking something that is clearly defined like the MLB anti drug policy. The NFL comes off as far more reactive than proactive when it comes to these issues, without a clear policy when these offenses occur. As for the thought that he doesn't deserve to have his career ended over this...I'm a big believer in seconded chances, however there are workplaces that will not condone this type of behavior and would not hesitate to suspend or terminate an employee over this sort of incident. A lot of folks lose their jobs for a variety of reasons. Some of there own doing and some through no fault of their own. I'm not advocating one way or the other when it comes to Hunt's future in The NFL, but a twenty two year old man has ample opportunity to carve out a good living for himself. I'm sure he has connections already that many twenty two year olds don't have that can assist him in that manner. I'm not overly concerned about Kareem Hunt's future employability in the NFL.
The NFL can't even correctly enforce the targeting rule even when in a stadium of 60,000 people on national television with multiple angle replays.
 

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Will people be surprised if NE is among the teams to put in a claim on Hunt? Lest we not forget that Corey Dillon, Donte Stallworth, Alfonzo Dennard, Willie Andrews all played for NE AFTER their transgressions.
No, honestly. Football-wise there is value here.

Not agreeing just observing
 

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Will people be surprised if NE is among the teams to put in a claim on Hunt? Lest we not forget that Corey Dillon, Donte Stallworth, Alfonzo Dennard, Willie Andrews all played for NE AFTER their transgressions.
I would be. Sony Michel is really fucking good.
 

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So the motivation for trying to kick the shit out of this teenage girl was that she wouldn't sex up his friend? Based on the video, I agree with the comment that it's a good thing that multiple people were holding Hunt back or it likely would have been a felony assault. This guy needs extensive counseling before getting a chance to return to the NFL.
 

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Bit of a clickbait title assuming this is true "The NFL did reach out to the woman and her friend on multiple occasions, but they did not respond, officials said."
How can the NFL interview the girls if they don't want to talk to them?
Naturally if there is evidence to the contrary then I'll be happy to walk back the comment but I find it hard to slam them for "not interviewing" her if she didn't respond to multiple requests.
All true - but the NFL never talked to Hunt, either. That is unfathomable to me.
 

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Reuben Foster was claimed off waivers and is much worse at football than anyone you mentioned.

I"ll be very surprised if Hunt goes unclaimed. What was his trade value pre-incident, probably a low 1st, high 2nd rd pick. There are teams that will be willing to take the PR hit for a free high value asset. I could see the NYJ claiming him, perhaps BUF as well.
Foster is much worse at football than Kaep?

I doubt it. Kaep's value right now is most likely as a back-up holding a clipboard (absent a team with a terrible back-up losing its starter). Foster had a big college career and is projected one day as a starter at his position. Foster, actually, is exactly the point. Teams will take a chance and absorb the hit if they think that the player in question can help them win. Rice and his 3 yards per carry average and Kaep and his back-up QB status were not worth the brain damage. Hunt will be.
 

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All true - but the NFL never talked to Hunt, either. That is unfathomable to me.
Agreed unless he had already talked to KC and they used that report.

The underplayed angle here is his "fall guys" that all seemed to be saying he wasn't involved. I still think he is the one they are claiming was sleeping in the video. I wonder if that is what he told the Chiefs.
Has anyone actually seen the original police report. I know the girl says Kareem's name a few times so I'd love to see if he was named in the report or not.
 

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Agreed unless he had already talked to KC and they used that report.

The underplayed angle here is his "fall guys" that all seemed to be saying he wasn't involved. I still think he is the one they are claiming was sleeping in the video. I wonder if that is what he told the Chiefs.
Has anyone actually seen the original police report. I know the girl says Kareem's name a few times so I'd love to see if he was named in the report or not.
Definitely. Clearly they were covering up for him.
 

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So the motivation for trying to kick the shit out of this teenage girl was that she wouldn't sex up his friend? Based on the video, I agree with the comment that it's a good thing that multiple people were holding Hunt back or it likely would have been a felony assault. This guy needs extensive counseling before getting a chance to return to the NFL.
No this is factually incorrect if you even just watch the video. Perhaps they were kicked out of the room because they wouldn't hookup but even the girls admit they were outside of the room trying to figure out how to get home when the incident occurred.
 

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Foster is much worse at football than Kaep?

I doubt it. Kaep's value right now is most likely as a back-up holding a clipboard (absent a team with a terrible back-up losing its starter). Foster had a big college career and is projected one day as a starter at his position. Foster, actually, is exactly the point. Teams will take a chance and absorb the hit if they think that the player in question can help them win. Rice and his 3 yards per carry average and Kaep and his back-up QB status were not worth the brain damage. Hunt will be.
Fair point, I know when he was released the reports I read was that it would be surprising if he was claimed given he wasn't on the field much and when he was he was disappointing, I'm sure he still had some of that 1st rd allure to him which enticed WAS to take the PR hit.
 

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Ok, so they'll pick up Hunt and do what with him while Michel is healthy? They'll cut Burkhead or Sony to make room? Going after Hunt makes little sense.
 

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The NFL has a domestic violence policy and assaults are covered under the Personal conduct policy. This was not DV so the penalites likely don't apply to that.

This is probably most similar to the Quincy Enunwa incident where he was charged with simple assault for an incident in a hotel room where a female injured her finger and head even though ultimately charges were dropped. Enunwa was suspended 4 games.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/sports/football/jets-quincy-enunwa-suspended-for-four-games.html?_r=0
According to the last paragraph in the sentence, the SIX game suspension for first time offenders cited by this policy has be applied inconsistently. I also see no reason why the policy can not be revisited and amended to go beyond the definition of domestic abuse.
 

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Ok, so they'll pick up Hunt and do what with him while Michel is healthy? They'll cut Burkhead or Sony to make room? Going after Hunt makes little sense.
Cordarrelle Paterson has been NE lead back this season.
Counting on Burkhead and Michel for 16G + playoffs is wishful thinking.

Hunt also has a lower cap hit than Michel and Burkhead. He is an elite value from a pure NFL standpoint.