Kemba Walker to Boston
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Because it opens up cap space to add players to your roster and Turner is the definition of the rim-protecting stretch 5 that teams want. The idea would be that with Tatum, Brown, Smart, and Langford you have your wing spots covered. Hayward is not an ideal big wing for the 4 spot, and you might be able to find a 3&D guy to put there with Kemba and Tatum providing the scoring (presuming that Tatum improves).
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Because he’s 6 years younger, substantially cheaper, and a budding DPOY candidate who can shoot. Plus he fills the biggest hole in the roster.
Some of the local Indy guys suggested Hayward going there for Sabonis & more.(I posted yesterday)
If Kemba is real then I think Turner's (or a 5 that can rim protect) defense becomes imperative.
If Pritchard demands Brown, would a Brown/Yabu/Rozier S&T for Turner work cap wise (Indy also wants a PG to play alongside Oladipo)
Didn't Jackie Mac just write about this being a problem? PT/Starting/Shot issues between MaMo, Tatum, Hayward, Brown, Smart?
I’m still keeping Gordo. He was a top 15 player before he got hurt. He looked physically better toward the end of the year. I think his confidence comes back and we are back in business. You need 8 guys and bigs are out there for small dollars.
Well, one of those (MaMo) is gone if they are signing Kemba. And I suspect he might have been the catalyst for a lot of the issues given that he has been repeatedly publicly vocal about wanting to start and get his minutes, etc.
There is the business side of this though as the Hornets are not looking to build a championship team......they are simply looking to compete if I can read through their transactions over the past dozen years. I lived in Charlotte and when people are disinterested in this team they don't show up to the games while spreading negativity to the point of it being toxic and it has the look of a franchise ready to fold......I've seen this when Bob (Cat) Johnson was able to trick taxpayers into paying for an arena that they voted against and didn't want.
They have consistently been in the bottom 30% of the league in home attendance while in purgatory......falling into an anemic and non-competitive state could have a debilitating effect on this franchise. For a small market team like Charlotte, marginal success is crucial.
Kyrie's playoff intensity this year was truly inspiring. Sad Kemba can't match that.
This wouldn't be an issue this year I wouldn't think. Adding Kemba and a room exemption big, and subtracting Kyrie, Horford, Baynes, Morris and Rozier should leave all four of the remaining guys plenty of opportunity/minutes.
Will be a really thin team unless some other trade comes along.
Well- and this is one of the reasons I’m a little bit worried about GH- it’s apparently not that similar of an injury, according to at least one SoSHer MD. IIRC, Radsoxfan has repeatedly expressed caution at that comparison, essentially saying George’s injury was a cleaner break with a better prognosis.
The rooks get some time in this scenario, plus TL. Team probably starts poorly but improves as guys figure shit out. It's sure an opportunity to see what an unleashed JB and JT can do when not surrounded by drama queens.
The attention to detail, ability to follow assignments, stick with his man, and effort on close-outs was truly mind blowing. No chance Kemba can get there with his physical limitations but hopefully Brad can patch something together
This would also allow them to use the TPE they'll get for Baynes when that deal is official, the biannual exception, and their Bird/Early Bird rights on Morris/Rozier/Theis.
It would hard cap them at the apron but it would at least open up some options for filling out the bench.
Would be very complicated though.
Boston has too many scorers and not enough shooters. At some point you need to start converting some of them. On a team with Walker, Tatum, and Brown Hayward’s no longer going to be a top 20 player because the usage rate that made him that just isn’t going to be available in Boston.
The pessimist in me would say that this is leaking today because Walker's agent is trying to pressure Charlotte into offering a guaranteed fifth year. That's not to say I don't think he'll sign with Boston, but if Charlotte goes 5 years/$175-180 I think he'd be tempted to go back there.
The last guy named Walker (not Bill, the one before him) was a pretty good fit here. Based on that track record, this seems like a good signing (if it happens).
Still need to figure out how to replace Al. I know they were linked to Vucecic at some point already. Is that a possibility if Kemba comes? I could tolerate a starting 5 of Kemba, JT, JB, Hayward and Vucecic. It's going to be amazing when this team wins 55 games next season with no Al and no Kyrie. The lovefest will start all over again.
No, Vucevic is not possible if Kemba comes. Celtics only have enough cap room for one max guy. Only way to acquire players is through trades or any exceptions they may have.
The Kyrie relationship was a bad breakup:
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1144271557084270592
“[Kyrie] Irving, the source said, has yet to give the team the official word he will not be returning to Boston, but the source added that at this point, it is unclear whether the#Celtics would want him back regardless.” Kemba Walker train is chugging.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2019/06/27/from-kemba-walker-kyrie-irving-terry-rozier-here-latest-celtics/YU1zmUfu3mne4LO1rIt58K/story.html
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1144271557084270592
“[Kyrie] Irving, the source said, has yet to give the team the official word he will not be returning to Boston, but the source added that at this point, it is unclear whether the
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2019/06/27/from-kemba-walker-kyrie-irving-terry-rozier-here-latest-celtics/YU1zmUfu3mne4LO1rIt58K/story.html
Kemba coming back to New England would be such a cool story. I wasn’t sure about how he’d fit in with the Jays and Hayward but I’m onboard at this point. Team would instantly become so much fun again.
Right, if Kemba comes, the options for getting a big man are pretty much limited to finding someone willing to take the "room" exception (I think rumored to be around $4.7 million?) or some portion of it, or trade for somebody. The problem with the trade route is that they are already pretty thin roster-wise, so trading for a big man would just open up a hole elsewhere. So assuming they use the entire room exception on a big man, their roster would look like this:
Bigs: FA relatively-cheap big man; Time Lord; Yabu.
Wings: Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Semi, Romeo, Grant Williams
PG: Kemba, Smart
That's 11 players so they would need one more vet-min guy to fill out the roster - I would expect that might be a big man as well, but could also be a 3PG in a Larkin/Wanamaker/etc. role.
Bigs: FA relatively-cheap big man; Time Lord; Yabu.
Wings: Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Semi, Romeo, Grant Williams
PG: Kemba, Smart
That's 11 players so they would need one more vet-min guy to fill out the roster - I would expect that might be a big man as well, but could also be a 3PG in a Larkin/Wanamaker/etc. role.
I would have said the same, but "focused" is really strong language from Woj. Charlotte is also a dumpster fire, with no real prospects to improve during his next contract, even from longshot young guy upside.
There aren't a ton of big men that will be available for the room exception or less this offseason. You're probably looking at guys like Ed Davis, Kosta Koufos, Robin Lopez, Javale, Boban, and Kyle O'Quinn. Those guys are fine but if you are truly trying to contend I think that a trade makes more sense. I think Capela is a fit, although I can see why others disagree.
I could easily see him being back in a wink-wink deal, as mentioned above. The thing about Baynes though, as popular as he is here (including with me), is that he has had a lot of trouble staying on the floor. He'd be nice to get back, but he's not the long or even medium-term solution at the 5.
With the Room Exception you could be in play for guys like Noel, Kanter, WCS, Taj Gibson, Poirier...there could be a good piece of the puzzle in there somewhere.
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Seems they're looking more at Capela, which makes more sense on a Kemba team imo, since you already have elite scoring and a weak link on defense.
Go with Edwards as the 3rd PG - cheap, and potentially explosive off the bench. The thing with Grant Williams is that he probably can defend most of the bigs in today's NBA. Quick enough to defend them on the perimeter, and strong enough to hold his own on the block. Obviously the very best big post players will give him trouble (like Embiid probably) but that would be true for almost anyone.
Aaron Baynes can't go back to Boston. He'd have to get traded to another team then get released before he'd be eligible to return to Boston.
Dedmon seems to be the target of every team with money that wants a reliable big man. I don't think he signs for anything less than the full MLE.
Noel and WCS for sure. Didn't see them on the FA list I was using, probably because Noel has an option he hasn't declined yet and WCS is restricted. Either would be a good choice, but they come with severe limitations. Kanter I can't see at that figure. Portland will bring him back if he's available for the taxpayer MLE, but I'd expect him to get more than that.
This thread is premature imho. As others have pointed out, Charlotte is kind of a mess but I can't see them let Walker go without making a big push. I think cheech is spot on - Woj is carry someone's water to stoke the Kemba market.
I would love to take a flyer on Noel if the Celtics were located somewhere other than 15 minutes from where he grew up. Always a little wary of putting a character issues guy back around his friends and family every day.
Can they bring Theis back using the non-Bird exemption after renouncing him? I think they’d be capped at 120% of his previous year salary so it would depend on what his market is, but that’s a way to add a veteran depth big. From CBA FAQ:
They will hamstring themselves for years if they sign Walker to anywhere near the supermax. Why would they do this?
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No, That's an exception.
Only exception allowed for a team that used cap space is the room exception and minimums.
Just saw on Reddit that Woj said barring an unforeseen change Kemba is leaving Charlotte for Boston. This is happening.
I don’t remember people having concerns about Noel’s character. What’s the nature of those concerns?
They're bad whether they have Kemba or not and letting him go won't give them any financial relief. I can see both sides of the argument, but letting your only good player walk for nothing is generally not a thing teams do. At the very least they could sign him and then trade him in a year for some other assets that might be useful in a future rebuild. Losing him in free agency is a franchise crippling loss. They'd be a half decade away from any kind of relevance.