Klinsmann's Men: The ÜSMNT Thread - Just get us to Brazil

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Second time in a row that an injury time USA goal on matchday ten knocked a team out of the world cup auto qualification spot and put another team in.
 
 

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Technically we didn't knock Panama out of an automatic spot, although playing NZ would be close.

 
 
Ah, yes, good point.
 

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That was pretty awesome to watch, all around. (Well, other than our back line, which continues to suck.)

Go New Zealand. Mexico continues to suck, so they could totally lose.

What the hell was Panama doing there? Just sit on it and stay back, but they were pressing almost as hard after it got to 2-1 as they were when it was 1-1.
 
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Second time in a row that an injury time USA goal on matchday ten knocked a team out of the world cup auto qualification spot and put another team in.
 
 
 
 
Ah, yes, good point.
 
The reaction from the Honduran announcers when we scored against CR in 2009 is one of my favorite sports moments that doesn't directly affect one of my teams. 
 
The Mexican announcers had a similar, but more muted, reaction yesterday considering they just backed into a playoff with a paltry 11 points in 10 games.
 

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Seen The Light said:
 
The reaction from the Honduran announcers when we scored against CR in 2009 is one of my favorite sports moments that doesn't directly affect one of my teams. 
 
The Mexican announcers had a similar, but more muted, reaction yesterday considering they just backed into a playoff with a paltry 11 points in 10 games.
 
Deadspin has video/audio of the Mexican TV reaction, which is about what you'd expect in terms of volume.
 
But the announcer then goes on a genuinely epic rant of which I caught exactly one word live--"pantalones"--that is then transcribed in full in the Deadspin comments. He just absolutely buries the Mexican team. The "pantalones" I caught was apparently him saying that "If the [Mexican] coach wears pants, he should resign." Seriously, go read it.
 

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Well, that game really sucks for Panama. I feel stunned by it. Like I caught my gf cheating on me and just feeling stunned. Since 10 pm yesterday to today, I still feel Stunned.
The good thing is that Panama has made great strides and hopefully we can make it the next time. My friends were at the stadium, man that was just sad seeing people crying and stuff.
 

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There are no words to express how much it hurt last night.  I have absolutely nothing against USA and its team, it was sheer stupidity by someone to allow that to happen.  Panama blew too many chances in the Hexagonal (was leading Costa Rica 2-0 at the half ended up tying, did not beat Jamaica at home) and had the tie vs Mexico in the Azteca in their hands.
 
But this one hurt badly, badly.
 
I will tip my cap off to you guys and let's see what happens in 4 years. 
 
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There are no words to express how much it hurt last night.  I have absolutely nothing against USA and its team, it was sheer stupidity by someone to allow that to happen.  Panama blew too many chances in the Hexagonal (was leading Costa Rica 2-0 at the half ended up tying, did not beat Jamaica at home) and had the tie vs Mexico in the Azteca in their hands.
 
But this one hurt badly, badly.
 
I will tip my cap off to you guys and let's see what happens in 4 years. 
 
I really think that even the US players weren't "happy" about the turn of events.  Johansson barely celebrated.  I think they understood what had been taken away from Panama.  You have to continue to play the game to win, and not just accept a loss in order to screw Mexico (as satisfying as that would be).  But man, I imagine the pain in that stadium was palpable.
 

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Beckerman said Panamanian players were asking him to take it easy in the second half. He says he told them he wouldn't be going to Brazil himself if he did that.
 

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Really heartbreaking -- sorry to our Panamanian supporters.  It was a difficult game to watch as a USA fan.  I think my angst and conflict is in this thread as the game was going.  
 
I felt it's important to respect the game, but at the same time would not have been overly disappointed with a Panama win.  So so difficult to lose a chance at the World Cup by a Mexico wonder goal the game before and then to get a second chance only to be deprived by a 92d minute header.  I really hate Mexico even more for not getting a result, so that Panama's grief is on the USA's shoulders.  I will have real trouble rooting for them in the playoff.
 

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Classy move by Terrence Boyd. I feel awful for Panama & their supporters. But you play to win the game.
 
Absolutely.  But I don't think I have felt this big a heartbreak in all my sports following years.  It's one thing if the USA had come out and scored 3 goals in the 1st half, quite another to have a header find its way in in the 92nd minute when Mexico had already lost.
 

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Absolutely.  But I don't think I have felt this big a heartbreak in all my sports following years.  It's one thing if the USA had come out and scored 3 goals in the 1st half, quite another to have a header find its way in in the 92nd minute when Mexico had already lost.
 
No offense, but as a Sox fan you should have some experience with gut-punch losses. ;-)
 
That said, I can only imagine the sports ain of that loss. Again, my sincere condolences. And screw Mexico.
 

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trekfan55 said:
 
Absolutely.  But I don't think I have felt this big a heartbreak in all my sports following years.  It's one thing if the USA had come out and scored 3 goals in the 1st half, quite another to have a header find its way in in the 92nd minute when Mexico had already lost.
 
I think the Mexico game was actually a few minutes behind ours, at least, that's the impression I got from BeIN.
 

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No offense, but as a Sox fan you should have some experience with gut-punch losses. ;-)
 
That said, I can only imagine the sports ain of that loss. Again, my sincere condolences. And screw Mexico.
 
I actually went and thought back to the several gut punching losses I experienced as a Sox fan last night and this beat them.  The clock said 90 minutes and Panama was in (at least to play vs. New Zealand I know). 
 
 
Mr. Wednesday said:
 
I think the Mexico game was actually a few minutes behind ours, at least, that's the impression I got from BeIN.
 
They were simultaneous, and before that header went in, the local TV station here put up a split screen of the Mexico-Costa Rica game and they let us know, as soon as they flashed the 3 minutes of discount time that Mex-CR had been given 4 minutes.
 

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Classy move by Terrence Boyd. I feel awful for Panama & their supporters. But you play to win the game.
 
One article showed that pic of Boyd, juxtaposed with one of him laying on the field after the US gave up a stoppage time goal and didn't qualify for the Olympics. As the article said, "No one consoled him".
 

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Last night was one of the most surreal nights I have ever experienced as a sports fan.
 
I had the US/Panama game showing on a split screen simultaneously with the Mexico/Costa Rica game.  I would never root for the US to lose, but for once I wasn't all that upset when the Panamanian player scored the goal to give them the lead.  When Zusi tied the match with the header, I was shocked, but at the same time proud that the team never gave up even though we had already qualified. 
 
One thing I will give JK credit for is that unless you play with effort 100% all the time, he won't hesitate to pull or bench you (see Donovan from the US/Jamaica match). Beckerman said that after the half last night, the Panamanian players were asking him to take it easy, but he responded that he had to play his ass off to earn a spot in Brazil.  That kind of mentality can only serve us well going forward because I believe that historically, despite some awesome comebacks (Algeria in the 2010 World Cup), we have a tendency to collapse under pressure (Czech Republic in 2006 World Cup; Brazil in 2009 Confederations Cup; 2011 Gold Cup Final against Mexico). 
 

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For my money, the first two results are less about collapsing under pressure than they are about a pre-2010-ish U.S. team not really having any ability to break an organized defense.
 
The last is about what happens when you open up looking for an equalizer and the other team is deadly with their finishing. (And defensive organization was always one of the weakest points of Bradley's tenure with the U.S.  Notwithstanding the outdated and inaccurate cracks about the empty bucket and "Bunker Bob", the post-2008 Bradley U.S. team had a tendency toward being a swashbuckling side that was more likely to win 3 - 2 than 1 - 0.)
 

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Julian Green has accepted a call up to train with the USMNT for their November friendlies.
 
Green is an 18 year old German-American attacking midfielder who was promoted to Bayern Munich's reserve team this year.  He's scored 13 goals in 14 games (9 starts) in the Regionalliga Bayern so far.
 
The weird thing is that Green was called up to Germany's U19 team and played in youth qualifiers a few weeks ago.  So he's provisionally cap-tied to Germany and would need to file a one-time permanent switch to play for the US.  Green grew up in Germany, but his dad is a huge rah-rah US soccer fan, so it's hard to know exactly what's going through Green's mind.  Green's not making any changes to his international status yet, but obviously showing up at a US camp is a statement of interest.
 
If he casts his lot with the US, he'd immediately be one of our best U-20 prospects.
 

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Julian Green has accepted a call up to train with the USMNT for their November friendlies.
 
Green is an 18 year old German-American attacking midfielder who was promoted to Bayern Munich's reserve team this year.  He's scored 13 goals in 14 games (9 starts) in the Regionalliga Bayern so far.
 
The weird thing is that Green was called up to Germany's U19 team and played in youth qualifiers a few weeks ago.  So he's provisionally cap-tied to Germany and would need to file a one-time permanent switch to play for the US.  Green grew up in Germany, but his dad is a huge rah-rah US soccer fan, so it's hard to know exactly what's going through Green's mind.  Green's not making any changes to his international status yet, but obviously showing up at a US camp is a statement of interest.
 
If he casts his lot with the US, he'd immediately be one of our best U-20 prospects.
 
My understanding is that there would not be any pressure for him to file the one time switch.  That the point of the call up was to give him a 'feel' of training with the USMNT and see if he [Green] feels he can see himself playing for the USMNT.
 
I do like/find it interesting that Klinnsman is continuing to go after younger kids with dual citizenships.  It almost seems that his comments back in 2010 during the World Cup were a foreshadow of what he would do to get the US back on track.  I am kind of excited moreso about the 2018 World Cup (I know that is a long ways away) than I am the 2014.  It seems as if Klinsman is laying the foundation for 2018 as the World Cup where expects much more for the USMNT. 
 
On a side note, I wonder if we will see Chandler or Williams with the USMNT in the near future. 
 

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On a side note, I wonder if we will see Chandler or Williams with the USMNT in the near future. 
 
I read somewhere that Klinsmann had scouts at Chandler's last game.  
 

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Tab Ramos' first u-20 roster of the cycle. Camp is in Europe so there is more of an emphasis on players abroad and there are no college players, who are in season.

You have to love the Matias Fracchia selection. He plays for Ramos' old club, is of Uruguayan descent, and has committed to NC State - Ramos' alma mater. Classic US youth NT nepotism pick.

The last roster was hamstrung by the inclusion of Javan Torre, who had club connections with Ramos' u-20 assistant (Tom Dooley). Torre still isn't even a starter at UCLA.

Coaches will try lots of players early in the cycle so hopefully Fracchia will be flushed out quickly if he is not up to standard.

Anyway, Acosta looks like the real deal and has been playing RB for Dallas. He could also wind up at LB or DM. High hopes for Flores, who signed for sizable money at Dortmund (he's not eligible to play until he turns 18, when he will probably join the u-23s. In the meantime he has been informally training with the first team and playing in friendlies on a tourist visa.) Rubin (who is going to Utrecht) and Moore (who will likely be heading abroad) are also interesting names to me. Canouse has been captaining Hoffenheim youth teams and is the CM front runner.

Two year is a long time for youth players - much will change.

GOALKEEPERS (2) : Santiago Castano (New York Red Bulls; Union City, N.J.), Ethan Horvath (Molde FK; Highlands Ranch, Colo.)
DEFENDERS (6): Kellyn Acosta (FC Dallas; Plano, Texas), Conor Donovan (Capital Area RailHawks Academy; Fuquay Varina, N.C.), Matias Fracchia (NJSA 04; Roselle Park, N.J.), Matthew Miazga (New York Red Bulls; Clifton, N.J.), Shaquell Moore (IMG Academy; Powder Springs, Ga.), John Requejo Jr. (Real So Cal; Carpinteria, Calif.)
MIDFIELDERS (8): Russell Canouse (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim; Lancaster, Pa.), Marco Delgado (Chivas USA; Glendora, Calif.), Junior Flores (Borussia Dortmund; Manassas Park, Va.), Romain Gall (FC Lorient; Herndon, Va.), Lynden Gooch (Sunderland AFC; Santa Cruz, Calif.), Emerson Hyndman (Fulham FC; Plano, Texas), Kristian Scott (Swansea City AFC; Winterbourne, Bristol), Omar Thompson (Wigan Athletic; Miami, Fla.)
FORWARDS (6): Kainoa Bailey (Bayer 04 Leverkusen; Henderson, Nev.), Benji Lopez (Real Salt Lake; San Diego, Calif.), Amando Moreno (New York Red Bulls; Morganville, N.J.), Zach Pfeffer (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim; Dresher, Pa.), Rubio Rubin (Unattached; Beaverton, Ore.), Ben Spencer (Molde FK; Albuquerque,
 

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Squad for the Scotland and Austria friendlies:

GOALKEEPERS (3) : Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire)
DEFENDERS (7) : DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), John Brooks (Hertha Berlin), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Brad Evans (Seattle Sounders FC), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), Eric Lichaj (Nottingham Forest), Michael Orozco (Puebla)
MIDFIELDERS (7) : Alejandro Bedoya (Nantes), Michael Bradley (Roma), Mix Diskerud (Rosenborg), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Jermaine Jones (Schalke), Sacha Kljestan (Anderlecht), Brek Shea (Stoke City)
FORWARDS (6) : Jozy Altidore (Sunderland), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Seattle Sounders FC), Aron Johannsson (AZ Alkmaar), Eddie Johnson (Seattle Sounders FC), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes)

Guzan, Donovan, Castillo, and Goodson are injured.

Rimando, Beckerman, Besler, Zusi, and Davis are in the MLS playoffs.
 

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Lichaj is a bit of a surprise, no?
 
And good to see Sasha's Stache in the squad. I don't care what ZLATAN says - it's a sweet stache.
 

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Lichaj is a bit of a surprise, no?
 
And good to see Sasha's Stache in the squad. I don't care what ZLATAN says - it's a sweet stache.
Yes and no. This is the first time Klinsmann has called in Lichaj, but he's having a good season at Nottingham Forest and he plays a position of need.

Evans has done better than anyone expected, but he can't go unchallenged. If JK won't call up Chandler (and there may be good reasons for that, I don't know), where is the competition? Parkhurst is buried at Augsburg and never plays. Cherundolo can't get healthy and is ancient. Cameron plays RB for Stoke but JK seems to see him mostly as CB or CM.

It makes sense to give Lichaj a look, and see what happens from there.
 

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There has to be a story with Chandler. He's been starting and playing well for Nuremberg lately and plays RB soooo yeah he could help. I can't imagine the exact details but it has to be attitude/commitment-related because it certainly does not seem to be skill or form. Too bad as I think he could help the team a lot.
 

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Coverage of the US-Austria friendly starting now on NBCSports.
 

 
ETA: 16th minute, US puts the ball over the line, but it is scooped clear. Goal-line tech would have ruled it in. 
 

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Any review of the individual performances for those of us who weren't able to watch?
How did Brooks do and did Johannson play behind Altidore - or was it more 4-4-2?
 

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At one point, the play-by-play guy said "You can really tell this is the final friendly of a long international season for both clubs" and followed up with (paraphrased) 'it's a little fast and loose out there.'
 
Brek Shea was hideously ineffective; he stayed too wide, which kept Beasley from getting forward. He did nothing when he did get the ball other than give it right back to Austria. He pouted at the end of the bench after being subbed out in the ~60th. His club coach was in the stands and could not have liked what he saw. 
 
Lichaj got on the field and then got involved but didn't do anything interesting - he was just around the action. And he has a bitchin mohawk. 
 
Tim Howard's beard is Red Sox worthy. It's a really excellent look for Tim. And he was betrayed by poor defense on the goal, made several other good saves and distributed the ball quickly. 
 
Altidore worked his ass off, got poor service, created a couple chances for himself and continues to look like a player who had figured out how he needs to play at this level. 
 
Johanssen was behind Altidore at the start and looked totally, completely lost. He scuffed at a chance and otherwise looked terrible. 
 
Jermaine Jones nearly started a fist fight while doing Jermaine Jones type things. Even in a friendly, against club teammates, he's OUR asshole. 
 
Michael Bradley looked bored, honestly. He was competent and dependable but nothing for the highlight reel or memory bank. 
 
Geoff Cameron looked good at RB; he's comfortable there from club play and he's probably the best of a bad bunch. He really doesn't fit what Klinsmann wants from the RB but he's also the best RB in the pool....so? Yeah, he's going to Brazil and probably starting, unless Brad Evans has dirty photos of Jurgen. 
 
Brooks looked like a teenager in his first big game, constantly losing position against attackers and forcing Omar Gonzalez to keep his head on a swivel. Brooks was at fault for the goal, losing his man and his zone control and his vision entirely. Poor Omar was not comfortable at all. Matt Besler had the best night among US CB candidates. 
 
Mix Diskerud seemed to make things happen when he came on as a sub, as did Sacha Kljestan's Mustache. However, the stat sheet tells me that Alejandro Bedoya played the whole game...and I can't recall anything about his performance. At least Eddie Johnson kept trying to take the Austrian RB 1-on-1 (and losing) when he came on for Shea. 
 
It was a weird, disjointed performance from a couple guys getting their feet wet (Johanssen and Brooks) and a couple guys with last chances to impress (Shea, Lichaj, Bedoya?, Kljestan's Stache?) with the veterans all looking like themselves, albeit in a meaningless don't-get-hurt friendly. 
 

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As a midfielder, Johannsson's a pretty good forward.  He tried some stuff near the midfield stripe that only belongs within 20 or 30 yards of goal.
 
It seemed like the central midfield was playing inverted for much of the match.  Jones was playing farther forward than Bradley for long stretches, and then Bradley was playing farther forward than Mix.  Mix had some moments, but he had trouble finding the match; I'm not sure how much of that was him and how much was Bradley, but given the way Bradley was playing and their respective skills, the possession was pushed too much to Bradley for my tastes.
 
Kljestan tried some stuff, he certainly seemed more creative than Bedoya, but he was misfiring on his passes (as he can be wont to do).  I think we need to resurrect the Ralston Line to describe how Kljestan relates to the national team.
 
Eddie Johnson was a bit more involved than Brek Shea, but that's about all you can say for him.  He had few ideas, and the ideas he did have all seemed to be bad.
 

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I'm pretty sure I hate the 4-2-3-1 formation.  It doesn't allow for any creativity with Jozy as he's getting mugged on every pass up top as the central focus.  I know he's strong and can hold bring down the long ball but playing with his back to the goal for the whole match is a waste. 
 
Pair Johannsson up top with Jozy in a 4-4-2 Diamond or maybe the 4-2-2-2. 
 
In the diamond you'd have Donovan out wide with Dempsey playing behind the two strikers.  Bradley in the DM role and Jones as a sub.