It‘s a way to do a moment of silence without actually having the moment.
Edit: Or the above really.
Kobe Killed in Helicopter Crash
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Edit: Or the above really.
If you're invested enough to take it to PM, take it there. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
1) I am not offended, I'm telling you that you're not accomplishing a single thing or bringing awareness to anything. We're all aware. You're being presumptuous.
2) There is a far deeper, more personal question here that you're skipping right over because of your own apparent inability to see it or acknowledge it. The question is who a person really is once they do something unquestionably bad and evil. I can't possibly answer how people should think about the answer to the question and everyone is fully in their own right to say fuck that, he's a rapist and I have no interest in caring about anything other than his victim. I wouldn't criticize anyone for thinking this way, it's perfectly valid. After all, a very wealthy celebrity doesn't need my forgiveness, right? Who cares anyway?
The other side of it is that someone can believe in rehabilitation and forgiveness. Unfortunately, I have had to practice the latter pretty often in my life surrounded by a couple of criminal relatives. A couple hours ago I sent a happy birthday email to an uncle who is in prison for running a cop over in Florida. My threshold here is just different. So, I think, without rehashing the Kobe case, that it's a fair assumption to say he was guilty. In my opinion, it is also fair to say he made an evil, sometimes unforgivable, mistake in his life but followed it up with a life to be admired which ultimately did a lot of good. It took awhile, but I got there. You don't have to, and that's fine.
3) The issue here isn't whether you're right or wrong or whether he's a rapist to you or a rehabilitated human to me. The issue how aggressively you're dismissing the nuance literally 2 hours after his death to come tell us we're whitewashers and truly imply that we don't understand how bad rape is. I won't call you names, but for that implication, I think you're being irresponsible and unfair.
I see it as a group of people working out how we discuss such complicated things. Learning can be ugly but I would say it’s for the best and somewhere this board is ahead of the curve, to reference another post above.
You said likely, which puts your take on this 100 levels above a few posters.
The funny thing is, I hated Kobe until today. I'm a Celtics fan and cursed him for a decade. I'm just saddened that one of the towering sports figures of my generation just died at 41. I never met the guy, and maybe he really did commit a rape. Maybe he didn't and was a total asshole. Or maybe he was a combination of Lebron James and Gandhi.
I only knew him as a legendary and amazing athlete and it's sad that the American sports world lost a figure like that at 41.
I'd like to apologize for assuming the worst about the mods here. And I appreciate that people disagree on this subject and are passionate about it.
Exactly this. Maybe we can do two threads for every mass shooting from now on too. You know, one for the legacy and one that re-discusses gun rights.
This site really shows it's white male sports fan ass when there's a supernova piece of news. It's, like, evergreen.
Your posts are bad not only because they assume and call out bad faith on the part of respected long term members of this community, but also because they are expressions, "signals" if you will, of your own sense of virtue and its opposite.
Kobe Bryant's game always seemed overrated to me, and I think the numbers back that up, though I'm not sure how to read the advanced stats. An extremely inefficient but high volume scorer who could take over any game at any time, but didn't make his teammates better and stuck around accumulating points for a number of years. Am I off base about that? I never understood why he became so beloved as a player, he was never that compelling to me the way Jordan or Shaq or LeBron or Giannis are.
When people who've been here a long time give lurkers advice on how to better post, it's usually a good idea to listen to them. Doubling down doesn't tend to work wonders.
I say this about the other posters who've addressed you - not myself. Bucholz.
EDIT: Damn. I guess the "Bucholz/i am an idiot" plugin no longer works.
its 60 degrees here, not sure the Angelinos could handle the frigid temperatures
Tremendous.
Not surprisingly, Shaq was one of the first people I thought of after hearing the news. I know they had a contentious relationship that had grown warmer in recent years.
Today I learned rape is a "political stance," and that calling someone a rapist is "such phony virtue signalling." Is it phony because you don't think he raped someone?
She wanted to play for UConn someday. Kobe and Geno were friends. I would imagine the next UConn women's game they will do something nice for her/him.
shaq will no doubt give a moving tribute on TNT. All those guys will. But I’m looking forward to hearing Shaq speak.
I don’t understand what you are suggesting I’m saying here. You think I’m virtue signaling? My entire Dead pool roster two years ago was former Yankees, hoping to capitalize on bonus points. I laugh at The Buchholz drawing every time I look at it.
My daughter is in LA, and texted me about a half hour before the first post in this thread saying that the local news was reporting on the helicopter crash, and that it seem like there was something else going on because they kept teasing more info coming. When they reported it was Kobe, my first thought was Munson, not Clemente (I remember both). The unexpectedness, the suddenness on what was otherwise a “slow news day”. I was genuinely surprised no one else had the same thought, nothing more.
Thank you for your posts in this thread and sticking with it in the face of personal insults.
This is a well thought out post and I appreciate that it likely took some restraint not to just name call, as you are clearly passionate about this specific situation. I am too, just from the opposite viewpoint. We obviously have differing opinions on what may or may not be forgivable, and what sins a person can "make up for" later in life. But Crow, and I say this as gently as I can here, I don't think you understand how bad rape is if your first inclination is to protect Kobe Bryant from being called a rapist on an internet forum on the day he dies. I mean, he's dead. And he doesn't know you. And I would say Kobe Bryant did just fine in the aftermath of the whole thing. So, what are you protecting? And why is it unfair of me to point out his misdeeds? And please explain why it's irresponsible. Because that one, I really do not get. If you want to forgive, go ahead, but I think it's irresponsible to forget, not the other way around.
Should be Tuesday night before the C's-Heat, right? After that game, it's Lakers-Clippers on TNT.
No no no. I was taking issue with the lurker who is accusing people of virtue signaling.
I was pointing out how silly that was given some of the OTHER stuff that has become SoSH canon - the Buchholz drawing, Munson Day, etc.
I understood what TSC was saying. However, was it really hagiography?
As other posters have mentioned, most here followed Kobe's case closely. Posting about the timing of his death, his stature of an athlete, his post-career deeds, etc. does not mean Kobe's being idolized here nor "whitewashing" his past deeds.
I don't know about crow in specific, but it seems a few posters don't seem to understand just how bad rape is. Keep reminding them. I'd guess the large majority of SoSH is behind you.
Not the first tragedy at Orange Community College
http://www.coastreportonline.com/sports/article_2d79eea8-3498-11e9-8805-4ba4daf2ce6e.html
Can one of the lawyers check a database to see if he has a criminal record or was ever arrested (If so, what for).
One moment Kobe and his daughter are shown on highlights enjoying a Nets game at the Barkclays Center and then this, sad.
Except there was a group of people attacking anyone that dare brought up Kobe being a rapist. We don’t need to wait or not discuss it just because he was good at basketball.
On the cause of death - how safe are helicopters really? I get that they let VIPs feel great skipping over LA traffic, but I presume Kobe had access to the finest pilots and even then this happened.
A quick look at the NTSB stats, Non-Scheduled Part 135 Accident Rates (Helicopters) ranged between 0.5-2 per 100000 flight hours in 2007-2016. This is lower than general aviation (6-7 accidents per 100K flight hours!), but higher than airlines (0.1-0.2 per 100000 flight hours).
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/data/Pages/AviationDataStats2016.aspx#
A quick look at the NTSB stats, Non-Scheduled Part 135 Accident Rates (Helicopters) ranged between 0.5-2 per 100000 flight hours in 2007-2016. This is lower than general aviation (6-7 accidents per 100K flight hours!), but higher than airlines (0.1-0.2 per 100000 flight hours).
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/data/Pages/AviationDataStats2016.aspx#
I'm sad that 5 people died today. Especially the kids that were reported to have been on board.
Kobe had no impact on my life one way or another. He was a great basketball player and a rapist
He had a wife and kids and gave back generously to many different endeavors
I'm sad for his family and friends. I'm sad for the other family and its members that were traveling with Kobe along with their family and friends for their loss
This happens in so many threads. Members will ask questions about things which have already been answered a handful of times
People will post the same thing over and over, hoping they are "FIRST!" to do so
These threads become such a mess, because hardly anyone reads anything. If they are quoted and their position is attacked, then members square off and it leads to more a mess
We're supposed to be better, but things turn into an all out brawl, when some reading before posting may help
It's tough to keep up in threads that turn into gamethreads within 30 minutes of anything large happening, because of the above
Kobe had no impact on my life one way or another. He was a great basketball player and a rapist
He had a wife and kids and gave back generously to many different endeavors
I'm sad for his family and friends. I'm sad for the other family and its members that were traveling with Kobe along with their family and friends for their loss
It's also amazing to me that so many of the members here post without reading anything posted in the thread
This happens in so many threads. Members will ask questions about things which have already been answered a handful of times
People will post the same thing over and over, hoping they are "FIRST!" to do so
These threads become such a mess, because hardly anyone reads anything. If they are quoted and their position is attacked, then members square off and it leads to more a mess
We're supposed to be better, but things turn into an all out brawl, when some reading before posting may help
It's tough to keep up in threads that turn into gamethreads within 30 minutes of anything large happening, because of the above
I bet Ari is getting death threats over this. His gimmick is to post offensive stuff when someone famous dies:
View: https://twitter.com/AriShaffir/status/1221524114835267584?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/AriShaffir/status/1221524114835267584?s=20