Context, circumstances, digging deeper beyond surface facts matter. And have often been a hallmark of the better discussions around here. He has shown he can coach effectively without Brady (Cleveland, until Modell blew it up, 2008, last year). This has already been pointed out to you, but you obviously refuse to engage on a level beyond weekday afternoons, 2-6.
I wanted to respond to all the people who replied to me in one post so I apologize for the lengthy post, but here goes.
I am thankful for what Belichick has done and I do think he and Brady needed each other. I am old school, I enjoy the successes but I also root for the team, not coaches or players and I want the team to be successful. How I feel may be simple but it’s how I feel and people can disagree with it, that’s fine but it also doesn’t mean I am any less of a thinker than someone else because I don’t base my opinions in analytics or new age thinking.
I have always thought that in sports players make coaches much more than the other way around and that is part of why I feel I do. I also think you are what your record says you are and circumstances or not the record says he is 67-71.
I am not trying to say he is a bad coach, just that his pedestal isn’t as high as the one that he and Brady are on together. But, given the amount of success he had with Brady and the success we as fans have become accustomed to, I am not sure he has the ability to get the team back to that level of contention which is why I originally said maybe someone other than a below .500 coach should be at the helm.
Who should coach is a fair question and to be honest I’m not sure but I don’t think I’m the only one that wouldn’t feel great if the reigns were handed over to someone currently on the staff (isn’t that the original point of the thread?). The grass may not always be greener, but sometimes it actually is, if they were to look outside the organization.
I think when this run started BB and the organization was lauded (and rightly so) for the way things were run, constantly zigging when other teams were zagging, etc. Over time in a copycat league more and more teams are zigging making it harder to stay ahead of the curve.
This is where BB the GM comes in, when this run started he was good at looking for value and getting the most out of those mid-round finds. But, with more teams doing the same thing drafting has become even harder for a team like the Patriots who like to work in the middle rounds. I understand that drafting is hard and it is a crapshoot, but it is my feeling that if this is a good part of your roster building then you need to be better than average at it in order to be effective, or else you end up with a mediocre roster like the one they have now. So yes the Patriots haven’t hit or miss more than others but I think that’s part of the problem, they need to be better than that.
Lastly, when you are both GM and coach it all begins and ends with you. If players don’t work out, be it through free agency or the draft, to me that says either your ability to coach players up has failed to some extent or your ability to scout the right players for the way you want to play has failed.
I enjoyed the last 20 years along with everyone else, but the track record both pre and post doesn’t instill me with a lot of confidence moving forward which is why I originally responded the way I did. I am a fan of the Patriots, not Bill Belichick or Tom Brady for that matter.
I’m sorry for the long post but I wanted to explain myself a little further since some felt my previous responses were surface level. We can agree or disagree on any or all of this and people can try and pretty up BB without Brady as much as they want, but underneath it all he’s a decent coach with a below .500 record who has shown the ability to make bad teams mediocre and mediocre teams fringe playoff teams.