Isn't it possible though, for both to not be true? I mean there's a phenomenon where people's memories don't quite tell people the truth. It's possible that there was consensual sex, but the woman has regrets or whatever and her mind tells her she was raped/assaulted, and then that's how she remembers it. So it doesn't have to be a "lie" per se. It could be a faulty memory. (in this case not sure what to believe, to be honest, but I'm speaking generally)
I'm 100% with you on this, but I do think the case of athletes vs. artists is a bit different. With artists, I don't find it particularly hard to separate the final piece of art from the artist unless the piece of art implicates the "bad" parts of the artist. So, I have no real issue with watching and appreciating, say, Crimes and Misdemeanors or Zelig but Manhattan make me squirm. And it's even more removed when it's just someone financing a piece of art - I think it's probably true that virtually every piece of classical art was probably financed by some lord who, chances are, was a royal (no pun intended) scumbag so that seems like an extremely slippery slope.
I would love to chat about AB the player, and how his on field role might take shape in both the short-term (this Sunday) and long-term (say, by Week 5 and after), assuming he remains on the team.
That would play even worse and give them what they want. He played it correctly, said th elittle he could, it's serious, waiting for investigation, jut heard about it, nothing to add.
I guess I’m already buying into the narrative that it is either rape or extortion, since that seems to be how the lawyers framed it. Truth is I guess we don’t know shit.
I think that by even giving a statement about the allegations he said more about a non-football issue than he normally does.
What he’s saying, I believe, is that we’re at a point in this case-as sometimes happens-where every possible outcome is shitty.
My bad I was clearly looking at an out of date (or just wrong) resource. (https://www.liveabout.com/nfls-uniform-numbering-system-1333785)... pretty dumb mistake by me, cooks was just 14 right?
Not only that (though you are entirely correct), but it’s also a horrible wrong to lie and accuse someone falsely of rape. That charge alone can ruin someone’s life. I’ve no sympathy for guys who actually rape; but some guys don’t and when falsely accused its devastating for them. So this whole situation sucks on every level.
As to the bolded, perhaps that is not advisable?
That’s fine. But if people on a sports board aren’t allowed to speculate.... I mean.... isn’t that what happens here every day?
If there is a hell, there’s a special place for those who knowingly falsely accuse, not just because of the harm to the individual, but to the harm it does to the social perception of accusers and accusations.
Of the posts that come from a place of ignorance (which is fine), which do you generally find better: the ones that focus on asking questions and learning new stuff, or those that throw spaghetti at the wall?
Yes, this is a dangerous interview for him. Lisa Friel is the one who overrode the recommendation of Kia Roberts in the Ezekiel Elliot case.
Interesting side conversation we're having here. I generally like asking questions. But there's real value in speculation. When people speculate, they're suggesting alternative possibilities. Sometimes such speculation results in real leads, or real discovery. Sometimes it prompts an idea that ends up being really useful. Anyone engaged in creative processes has experienced this. Someone throws out an idea and says, "This may be a crazy thought but..." and then speculates on a possibility. That gets the people in the room thinking and asking a bunch of questions, and the result is a winner of an idea or a plan. And it may not have started without that initial speculative comment.
FWIW I didn't have a problem with you identifying some factors that would make a straight comparison to the population difficult, and musing about which direction those factors cut. I don't think you need a PhD to do that, and sociology is a pretty fuzzy science to begin with.
Sadly I have a feeling AB is more likely to bring his social media consultants to the meeting than top notch legal representation.
Yeah that's NEVER happened before. Substitute Brady for Brown and backdate this post to February 2015.
FWIW..... I have a daughter who was raped. So this is very raw for me as we work through it.
Clearly I read something wrong. No offense was intended, sorry.
I will say I don't think you did anything wrong. You made a hypothesis in response to some posts, did some research, and stated your assumptions. When challenged on some of your assumptions or methodology by people with more expertise in the area than you or I, you acknowledged them. That sort of dialog happens all the time on this board, and the topic should be innocuous enough (general crimes) that people should not have been offended.
Oh no offense taken. And I wasn't really speculating per se on that comment you're referring to. I was just saying that in response to someone else offering a list of only two possibilities (the rape happened or she's lying). I was just saying that there's a third possibility, but I said I have no idea what happened here of course.
I was trying to avoid bringing that into it, I think everyone here knows the counterexample.
And in most of the 40's if the 80's are full. I believe, which is why I mentioned 48 yesterday.
Agreed. It's a terrific article. Thanks for posting this, lambeau, and for quoting it, jose melendez; otherwise, I wouldn't have seen it.
