Managerial Carousel for 2023

E5 Yaz

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Current openings
Marlins -- Mattingly not returning in 2023
Angels -- Interim manager
Rangers -- Interim manager
Phillies -- Interim manager
Blue Jays -- interim manager

Of the three interim managers, only the ones in Philadelphia and Toronto have a good chance of returning ... unless the Phillies blow a playoff spot over the final week, when it's a toss-up

Announced as returning
Twins -- Only the Reds have had more injuries than the Twins this year, one reason why Baldelli has been announced as returning, despite their fade the final two months

Limbo
White Sox -- LaRussa couldn't make it through the season due to poor health. His return seems questionable at best.

Possible changes
Guardians -- Francona's health is always a concern. He could decide to hand off the reins
Royals -- Front office getting a makeover, so a new manager could be part of that
Tigers -- Same situation as the Royals
Nationals -- They've stripped the roster and might want a new manager to lead a youth movement

Usual suspects
You just never know what teams like the Pirates, Reds, Rockies and A's are thinking
 
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Sad Sam Jones

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Francona has said he plans to be back next year. I believe he has another off-season surgery scheduled which could possibly change things, but my feeling is that he was bracing everyone for the 2023 season to be his last without literally saying it. Considering all the opportunities Sandy Alomar has passed up to remain with the organization (plus his extended time as interim manager in 2020), I'd be surprised if it's anything other than a hand off to him.
 

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If he hadn’t retired for a decade and remained with the Cardinals or another competitive team LaRussa would be awfully close to Mack’s win record right now. Either Just behind or just ahead.
 

Sad Sam Jones

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I believe the White Sox started off 12-5 under Cairo, but have now lost 7 in a row, so they're right back where they started. I'd consider him a candidate, but I see no reason why they should give him the job without seeing what else is out there. If I were them, I'd want someone with a completely different approach/attitude than LaRussa.
 

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TLR was a disaster, arguably cost the White Sox a playoff spot single-handedly this year. (Yes the final division lead will be large, but I think he was that bad and not getting close to max out of his roster)
 

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If he hadn’t retired for a decade and remained with the Cardinals or another competitive team LaRussa would be awfully close to Mack’s win record right now. Either Just behind or just ahead.
My first memory of Tony LaRussa coincides with the 4 dozen or so copies I had of this 1986 Topps junk wax card:

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And it seemed like he had already been around forever even back then.
 

Buck Showalter

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Possible changes
Guardians -- Francona's health is always a concern. He could decide to hand off the reins
Royals -- Front office getting a makeover, so a new manager could be part of that
Tigers -- Same situation as the Royals
Nationals -- They've stripped the roster and might want a new manager to lead a youth movement
The Tigers front office will largely be the same post-Avila.

AJ Hinch was offered the GM role but refused it --- and will remain the Manager there.
 

worm0082

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Updating plaques: There’s been at least two HOF players who attempted comebacks after they were inducted. Babe Ruth with the 1938 Dodgers (he wanted to be activated to pinch hit in September but the team nixed the idea) & Jim Palmer spring training 1991 Orioles. Connie Mack managed another 13 years after he went in but never won another pennant or WS so his never had to be updated.

I thought I read not to long ago, that one of the old timer HOF plaques had to be revised because it contained a word that’s now considered offensive today?
 

canderson

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Updating plaques: There’s been at least two HOF players who attempted comebacks after they were inducted. Babe Ruth with the 1938 Dodgers (he wanted to be activated to pinch hit in September but the team nixed the idea) & Jim Palmer spring training 1991 Orioles. Connie Mack managed another 13 years after he went in but never won another pennant or WS so his never had to be updated.

I thought I read not to long ago, that one of the old timer HOF plaques had to be revised because it contained a word that’s now considered offensive today?
NYT had a great story on this a few years ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/sports/baseball/hall-of-fame.html
 

canderson

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Can you quote the relevant passage for those of us who are not subscribers?
Sure

For some, that dark side casts an especially long shadow. Baseball’s first commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, was inducted in 1944, when the color line he upheld was still in place. He is hailed for “integrity and leadership,” with no mention of the scourge of segregation. Likewise, a 1939 inductee, Cap Anson, is cited for his batting titles and pennants, not for his refusal to play in exhibitions with Black players.

An enduring legacy of 2020, this painful year, has been a reconsideration of monuments to racist icons. The notion has echoed in Cooperstown, where Jane Forbes Clark, the chairman of the Hall of Fame’s board of directors, has heard from people asking to remove some of the more problematic members from the walls.
The story is about adding signage to highlight HOFers with .. issues.
 

E5 Yaz

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The Angels lock up one of the dumbest people in the sport to a one year deal, it's like they're trying to push Ohtani out of town.
Makes sense, though. Why hire a new manager during the year you're trying to sell the team?
 

E5 Yaz

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Trlicek's Whip

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Matheny and Eldred fired in KC.
Kansas City will be a very good landing spot for the right person. They're past "rebuild" and are probably expected to level up and compete, even in a challenging AL Central. I watched a ton of KC games this year and they were very inconsistent, but there were nights when everything was humming and they looked formidable.

They had to play lots of rookies this year and many demonstrated they can play with Bobby Witt Jr., MJ Melendez, Vinnie Pasquantino being the bigger success stories. But they have several other role players such as Michael Massey, Nick Pratto, Kyle Isbel, Drew Waters, and Nate Eaton who also got lots of development time in the majors since the ASB. If Edward Olivares (not a rookie but pretty green) gets a full season of health and AB's he looks legit. And if they get anything at all from Adalberto Mondesi next year (only 50 games over the past two seasons), that's gravy, and a stacked-with-potential roster.

They have a maddeningly inconsistent young pitching staff where only Brady Singer really distinguished himself. But guys like Daniel Lynch, Kris Bubic, Jonathan Hensley, and Max Castillo (from TOR in the Whit Merrifield trade) had glimmers of promise. They'd be aces one day, clowns the next. Angel Zerpa was an emergency callup that looked sharp before he got hurt. And their bullpen, which leads the universe in walks and will do better without Matheny noodle-arming and red-assing them and Eldred not really helping anyone not named Brady Singer, is better than it appears, with several pitchers having much better 2nd halves than their final stats show (Louis Coleman, Amir Garrett, Carlos Hernandez).

They didn't plan to play so many rookies, but they did and most of them were fun to watch. If there wasn't a Julio Rodriguez then Bobby Witt Jr. would be the Rookie of the Year; he was 1st in SB and doubles, and 2nd in everything else to Julio.

MJ Melendez led the team in BB's, hit 18 HR's with oppo field power, played C, LF and RF credibly, and did all this starting in May as a callup. Melendez's strong first season gives them the ability to rest Salvador Perez or give him DH starts to keep him fresh for a full season.

Vinnie Pasquantino had more walks than K's this year, has serious exit velocity and power, and hits for average. If he tweaks his launch angle just slightly he'd have hit more HR's. He can play 1B decently so far so they won't miss Carlos Santana and don't need to ever give Hunter Dozier AB's again. It's interesting that Nick Pratto was considered the rookie heir apparent at 1B , but his contact issues were Gallo-esque severe despite great power and an error-free stint in the majors.

They probably have OF sorted and Spring Training in 2023 will see how things shake out. Michael A. Taylor is locked in at CF and was tremendous. While not a total black hole at the plate, he was also streaky. I think Edward Olivares is the answer at RF and then they have options LF and their 4th and 5th guys, including Kyle Isbel and Drew Waters and Nate Eaton (all are fast and have wheels and some pop and tools). There's MJ Melendez too if they continue that experiment. If they sign a veteran OF it'd be someone who can mash, or as insurance for whether any of the rookies regress or go full pumpkin next year.

They need one or two veteran starters or cheap flyers on the Sox's Wacha/Paxton/Hill model. (No idea if Grienke is back or not; he finished strong but maybe is more of a 5th starter or half-season arm that can mentor the kids on a one-year deal).

They need bullpen help, but probably not a total square-one rebuild based on Carlos Hernandez and Coleman and Garrett not sucking in the 2nd half. There are lots of arms in the mix that may benefit from the regime change and a full offseason and proper ST.

Joes Cuas was a rookie who looked solid but then looked like he lost steam so was sent down; he's likely in the mix. Taylor Clarke and Wyatt Mills are other arms that got to pitch and had flashes. Luke Weaver and Anthony Misiewicz were fungible dart throws. Brad Keller was a SP that didn't miss enough bats despite a great slider and mid-90's fastball; they moved him to the bullpen as a multiple innings guy to see if he could thrive there. That's where I hope he stays. They could upgrade their closer and not rely on Barlow (trade him this winter or next year even).

They need to figure out 3rd base (Mondesi maybe, an established FA more likely). Dozier and Lopez and Nate Eaton were all over there auditioning, but none of them should be starting there in 2023. If Mondesi can be relied upon or if they sign an FA at 3B, Nicky Lopez is probably a bench guy if Massey's bat and glove holds up.

And after watching KC every day I do hope they trade Hunter Dozier, who kind is a man without a position now since every other younger option is a better fielder and more promising hitter on the team after the 2022 season. He isn't necessarily cooked, but he hasn't been consistent and the the change of scenery and position flexibility would help a lot more other teams than the Royals. [I'm half-surprised that Bloom didn't grab him in the trade deadline straddling he did this past summer.] And Ryan O'Hearn (a dozen pinch hits as a bench guy getting one start a week) is cheaper. Essentially going into 2023 it's two guys one bench slot given their younger OF depth, and barring any trades.

I'm optimistic that with Moore gone earlier this season, and now Matheny and Eldred, that they will make a good decision for the new hire. Is it crazy to think Maddon would be a good fit in KC based on the team's age and talent level? Either way, putting out the message they're looking on day one of their offseason bodes well for attracting a good manager to a team that's not very far from being a surprise team making noise in the AL Central.
 
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Mueller's Twin Grannies

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Can KC afford Maddon? I've a feeling they'll go after someone like Montoya or Schildt. Maybe Mattingly if he's up for it. I would bet he goes to Chicago or Philly, maybe even Texas. It's going to be a team with big media market, though.
 

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Kansas City will be a very good landing spot for the right person. They're past "rebuild" and are probably expected to level up and compete, even in a challenging AL Central. I watched a ton of KC games this year and they were very inconsistent, but there were nights when everything was humming and they looked formidable.

They had to play lots of rookies this year and many demonstrated they can play with Bobby Witt Jr., MJ Melendez, Vinnie Pasquantino being the bigger success stories. But they have several other role players such as Michael Massey, Nick Pratto, Kyle Isbel, Drew Waters, and Nate Eaton who also got lots of development time in the majors since the ASB. If Edward Olivares (not a rookie but pretty green) gets a full season of health and AB's he looks legit. And if they get anything at all from Adalberto Mondesi next year (only 50 games over the past two seasons), that's gravy, and a stacked-with-potential roster.

They have a maddeningly inconsistent young pitching staff where only Brady Singer really distinguished himself. But guys like Daniel Lynch, Kris Bubic, Jonathan Hensley, and Max Castillo (from TOR in the Whit Merrifield trade) had glimmers of promise. They'd be aces one day, clowns the next. Angel Zerpa was an emergency callup that looked sharp before he got hurt. And their bullpen, which leads the universe in walks and will do better without Matheny noodle-arming and red-assing them and Eldred not really helping anyone not named Brady Singer, is better than it appears, with several pitchers having much better 2nd halves than their final stats show (Louis Coleman, Amir Garrett, Carlos Hernandez).

They didn't plan to play so many rookies, but they did and most of them were fun to watch. If there wasn't a Julio Rodriguez then Bobby Witt Jr. would be the Rookie of the Year; he was 1st in SB and doubles, and 2nd in everything else to Julio.

MJ Melendez led the team in BB's, hit 18 HR's with oppo field power, played C, LF and RF credibly, and did all this starting in May as a callup. Melendez's strong first season gives them the ability to rest Salvador Perez or give him DH starts to keep him fresh for a full season.

Vinnie Pasquantino had more walks than K's this year, has serious exit velocity and power, and hits for average. If he tweaks his launch angle just slightly he'd have hit more HR's. He can play 1B decently so far so they won't miss Carlos Santana and don't need to ever give Hunter Dozier AB's again. It's interesting that Nick Pratto was considered the rookie heir apparent at 1B , but his contact issues were Gallo-esque severe despite great power and an error-free stint in the majors.

They probably have OF sorted and Spring Training in 2023 will see how things shake out. Michael A. Taylor is locked in at CF and was tremendous. While not a total black hole at the plate, he was also streaky. I think Edward Olivares is the answer at RF and then they have options LF and their 4th and 5th guys, including Kyle Isbel and Drew Waters and Nate Eaton (all are fast and have wheels and some pop and tools). There's MJ Melendez too if they continue that experiment. If they sign a veteran OF it'd be someone who can mash, or as insurance for whether any of the rookies regress or go full pumpkin next year.

They need one or two veteran starters or cheap flyers on the Sox's Wacha/Paxton/Hill model. (No idea if Grienke is back or not; he finished strong but maybe is more of a 5th starter or half-season arm that can mentor the kids on a one-year deal).

They need bullpen help, but probably not a total square-one rebuild based on Carlos Hernandez and Coleman and Garrett not sucking in the 2nd half. There are lots of arms in the mix that may benefit from the regime change and a full offseason and proper ST.

Joes Cuas was a rookie who looked solid but then looked like he lost steam so was sent down; he's likely in the mix. Taylor Clarke and Wyatt Mills are other arms that got to pitch and had flashes. Luke Weaver and Anthony Misiewicz were fungible dart throws. Brad Keller was a SP that didn't miss enough bats despite a great slider and mid-90's fastball; they moved him to the bullpen as a multiple innings guy to see if he could thrive there. That's where I hope he stays. They could upgrade their closer and not rely on Barlow (trade him this winter or next year even).

They need to figure out 3rd base (Mondesi maybe, an established FA more likely). Dozier and Lopez and Nate Eaton were all over there auditioning, but none of them should be starting there in 2023. If Mondesi can be relied upon or if they sign an FA at 3B, Nicky Lopez is probably a bench guy if Massey's bat and glove holds up.

And after watching KC every day I do hope they trade Hunter Dozier, who kind is a man without a position now since every other younger option is a better fielder and more promising hitter on the team after the 2022 season. He isn't necessarily cooked, but he hasn't been consistent and the the change of scenery and position flexibility would help a lot more other teams than the Royals. [I'm half-surprised that Bloom didn't grab him in the trade deadline straddling he did this past summer.] And Ryan O'Hearn (a dozen pinch hits as a bench guy getting one start a week) is cheaper. Essentially going into 2023 it's two guys one bench slot given their younger OF depth, and barring any trades.

I'm optimistic that with Moore gone earlier this season, and now Matheny and Eldred, that they will make a good decision for the new hire. Is it crazy to think Maddon would be a good fit in KC based on the team's age and talent level? Either way, putting out the message they're looking on day one of their offseason bodes well for attracting a good manager to a team that's not very far from being a surprise team making noise in the AL Central.
Seems like this should be broken out into an adopt-a-team thread! What an excellent post!
 

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They didn't plan to play so many rookies, but they did and most of them were fun to watch. If there wasn't a Julio Rodriguez then Bobby Witt Jr. would be the Rookie of the Year; he was 1st in SB and doubles, and 2nd in everything else to Julio.
One quibble – Julio Rodriguez or not, Witt wouldn't have any part in the AL Rookie of the Year discussion. Steven Kwan should easily finish second with a 5.5 bWAR season – Witt was 0.9 – and was a 2-time Rookie of the Month winner. They were closer in fWAR, but Kwan was still over 2 wins better. Witt was an average offensive player and pretty bad in the field.
 

Yelling At Clouds

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One quibble – Julio Rodriguez or not, Witt wouldn't have any part in the AL Rookie of the Year discussion. Steven Kwan should easily finish second with a 5.5 bWAR season – Witt was 0.9 – and was a 2-time Rookie of the Month winner. They were closer in fWAR, but Kwan was still over 2 wins better. Witt was an average offensive player and pretty bad in the field.
Maybe. But I think Adley will finish ahead of him, he’s got the Power of the Narrative and great numbers. Kwan is good, though. Good year for rookies!
 

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Maybe. But I think Adley will finish ahead of him, he’s got the Power of the Narrative and great numbers. Kwan is good, though. Good year for rookies!
You're probably right. I was pushing back against an assumption that Witt was the leading RoY candidate behind Rodriguez, but then sort of made the same mistake of not looking at the whole field. From what I've heard from the talking heads, I suspect Rutchman finishes second – he and Kwan should be very close, with a difficult comparison due to them being such different players. Personally, I prefer Kwan being there from day #1 and spending most of the year atop a playoff team's lineup. However, Adley already had the fame and ended up with the good narrative you pointed out, in addition to a performance that's been just as good.

Truth is, despite seeing Kwan a few times in the minors, I never thought he'd stick at the major league level. Instead, he's been an ideal lead-off hitter since making adjustments to the way he was being pitched in May.
 

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One quibble – Julio Rodriguez or not, Witt wouldn't have any part in the AL Rookie of the Year discussion. Steven Kwan should easily finish second with a 5.5 bWAR season – Witt was 0.9 – and was a 2-time Rookie of the Month winner. They were closer in fWAR, but Kwan was still over 2 wins better. Witt was an average offensive player and pretty bad in the field.
My bad; I forgot Kwan is a rookie. I think he's fantastic and is definitely in the discussion. It seemed like J-Rod was destined to be RoY after the HR derby; even with his injuries he's been the player to beat. I'm actually excited for the RoY convos this year since there were so many players in 2022 that put up terrific numbers. It's cool to see the next-gen stars all level up at the same time like this.