Manchester United 2014-2015: Van Gaal's Insane Speech at the end of the awards
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Zomp said:
Massive revenues combined with last year's results plus an unprecedented level of competition in the Premier League.
I'm not saying they're going to become Real Madrid overnight but if I owned the team I wouldn't have a ton of patience for a youth-driven squad rebuild that might or might not bear fruit in the next year or two. I'd probably buy Vidal and Di Maria this summer and Reus next summer and try to ensure that we stayed on top as I'd be worried about what might happen to the overall value of my investment if we were on the outside looking in for too many years in a row.
English newspapers now backing off the Vidal stories that they almost certainly fabricated in the first place.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2692071/Arturo-Vidal-Manchester-United-OFF-Louis-van-Gaal-set-miss-35million-rated-Juventus-midfielder.html
Reliable Italian sources were adamant that there was nothing to the rumors the entire time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2692071/Arturo-Vidal-Manchester-United-OFF-Louis-van-Gaal-set-miss-35million-rated-Juventus-midfielder.html
Reliable Italian sources were adamant that there was nothing to the rumors the entire time.
I never expected Juve to let him go, not at the price the press were floating around. I think Carvalho and/or Strootman are viable options.
AgentOrange said:
That article has the most unlikely possible take on the transfer, claiming that Juve are willing to sell him at a relatively affordable price (32M pounds) but United don't want him. I have no idea whether the transfer will happen but I don't believe that scenario for a second. United buys Herrera for 30M but balks at Vidal for 32M? I don't think so. Also, its the Daily Mail.
The fact that United bought Herrera for 30 million and Kroos is reportedly going to Real for a reported 20 million makes me sick.
Fact is many top players won't consider going to a club that isn't in the Champions League, hence why Kroos would not leave Bayern for United. Let's hope it isn't the same case with Vidal.
Fact is many top players won't consider going to a club that isn't in the Champions League, hence why Kroos would not leave Bayern for United. Let's hope it isn't the same case with Vidal.
I read somewhere yesterday that the kit deal figure seems so high because Man Utd won't be getting the normal cut from kit sales that other clubs do - in other words, all of the money is up front. Can't remember where I saw that and can't find a link to it, so that might not be right...but if it is true, the figure is still huge but not quite as other-worldly as it seems. (Sounds like a savvy PR move all the same, given the club's current status, but not quite the real game-changer some people here seem to think is the case.)
soxfan121 said:
You missed my point - a better comparison would be I could either give you $200 now, or $100 now plus X% of sales over the next two years.
Zomp said:
Hard to find specifics, but here's one which seems to point out what I've heard:
http://www.businessinsider.com/adidas-manchester-united-in-record-deal-2014-7
I think the key point is that Adidas has bought exclusive distribution rights to sell replica kits and related products around the world, whereas other clubs are in complete control of their retail and online stores (and therefore can profit more beyond the initial payment from the kit sponsors). Again, I could be reading this wrong, but that's what I heard yesterday.
ConigliarosPotential said:
That article doesn't say what you think it says.
$1.3B so outdistances other kit sponsorships that the difference you think exists is trivial. Instead of a yearly budget contingent on unit sales, the entire deal covers ten years of budgeting (cost certainty) of basically $130M/season - still far in excess of what teams who "control" their own stores can expect to make in the same time frame.
I'm not disagreeing that $1.3B is a massive amount of money, and by far the biggest kit deal in football. I'm just suggesting that it may not be *quite* as big in reality as it looks on paper.
ConigliarosPotential said:
Yes, and you are suggesting that based on a recollection of an article you haven't posted and an article you have posted that doesn't say what you claim it says.
You may well be right but like Zomp asked - where is the source? Based on what you have provided, you're engaging in baseless speculation.
My office is in the same building as Man U's london office, get occasional WAGs in the lifts etc, and lots of press on rare occasions etc.
Someone down there is doing some serious kit deal negotiations. Damn
Someone down there is doing some serious kit deal negotiations. Damn
Patrice Evra has left the club after Juventus and United have agreed on a transfer fee.
After joining the club in 2006 he originally struggled before replacing Gabriel Heinze as the every day left back. He was amazingly healthy throughout his time here and only started slipping last season. I would have loved to see him here for one more season to mentor Luke Shaw, but it seems like he saw that he wouldn't be getting much playing time.
His character was definitely questioned due to his time with the national team but he was a model citizen for United and wonderfully got under Dlew's skin.
After joining the club in 2006 he originally struggled before replacing Gabriel Heinze as the every day left back. He was amazingly healthy throughout his time here and only started slipping last season. I would have loved to see him here for one more season to mentor Luke Shaw, but it seems like he saw that he wouldn't be getting much playing time.
His character was definitely questioned due to his time with the national team but he was a model citizen for United and wonderfully got under Dlew's skin.
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character. His incident with Suarez was bullshit, and you'll never convince me otherwise.
JayMags71 said:
I'm at work right now, so I can't see if there is a picture under your post or not stating that you're joking...
Zomp said:
Who you claimed two weeks ago was staying after I posted a story that he was going to Italy.
Two can play this game, Wrongy McWrongstein.
If you can find the post where I claimed he was staying after you posted the story he was going to Italy, I will rename the United thread title anything you desire.
So your question about whether Soccerlens was a legitimate news source wasn't a polite way of saying "Pffffffffft"?
Klopp has ruled out Hummels moving to Manchester United.
This is the second time this summer multiple media outlets have reported that a deal is essential done, only to have it ruled the next day (first Vidal, now Hummels). And I'm not just talking about your run of the mill Daily Star or Telegraph rumors. The Guardian (who I trust most regarding transfer gossip) was pretty confident that both Vidal and Hummels were on the move before Juve and Dortmund publicly quashed speculation.
I don't know whether United fans are getting a run around by the media or United's negotiating team is as utterly incompetent as last summer.
This is the second time this summer multiple media outlets have reported that a deal is essential done, only to have it ruled the next day (first Vidal, now Hummels). And I'm not just talking about your run of the mill Daily Star or Telegraph rumors. The Guardian (who I trust most regarding transfer gossip) was pretty confident that both Vidal and Hummels were on the move before Juve and Dortmund publicly quashed speculation.
I don't know whether United fans are getting a run around by the media or United's negotiating team is as utterly incompetent as last summer.
Vidal at least sort of made sense (and still does). Hummels makes no sense whatsoever - he's happy and Mr. Dortmund, the club wants him to stay, the club has money, etc.
It's Manchester Fucking United! Of course they should be linked with and signing the best players in the world! The name is Manchester. FUCKING. UNITED.
(Of course, that all died when Fergie retired but you can understand why fans and the executives haven't adjusted to the new reality. So, they thought they were in on Kroos, in on Vidal, in on Hummels...because, in the past, they'd have been in on those guys. Now, none of those guys gives a crap about ManU but the fans and executives are the last to know.)
(Of course, that all died when Fergie retired but you can understand why fans and the executives haven't adjusted to the new reality. So, they thought they were in on Kroos, in on Vidal, in on Hummels...because, in the past, they'd have been in on those guys. Now, none of those guys gives a crap about ManU but the fans and executives are the last to know.)
The problem with trying to get a player like Vidal or Hummels is that they are both at clubs that could win the Champions league and both have several years on their contracts (Vidal just renegotiated last year). They were pipe dreams from the start and I think the press made more of the stories than the club did. I could see De Vrij coming in, as well as someone like Depay and Carvalho.
Vidal could happen because Juve needs money and he's 27, so now is probably the clubs last chance to sell high and probably the players last chance to negotiate a truly big wage. I think SF121 is right that supporters exaggerate the appeal of the club vis-a-vis others but United definitely have money and that could be decisive.
In other news, LVG's Manchester United beat the LA Galaxy last night 7-0. He played the 3-5-2 that the Dutch squad played in the World Cup, explaining that he has too many strikers to play a 4-3-3 but did say that they could switch back to a 4-3-3 if they need to. Its comforting to have a manager with the tactical acumen where you can trust the decision he makes.
Ander Herrerra impressed in his debut, spraying some nice passes out wide and being generally tidy on the ball. I think the 3-5-2 means another defender will be signed, but in all likelihood I think they'll be 2 more defenders. Phil Jones is a nailed on starter and played in the middle of the 3 defenders but I'm not sure if Johnny Evans and Smalling are defenders that should be starting for a club with championship aspirations.
Currently constructed, it seems like our best team would be
------------------------De Gea-------------------------
----------Smalling----Jones--------------Evans-------
Valencia--------Carrick---Herrerra-------------Shaw
------------------------Mata----------------------------
-----------------RVP--------Rooney-----------------------
Rafael is great back up to Valencia in the 3-5-2 system as it makes the most of his attacking ability, but we're lacking a left back to provide Shaw with a rest, unless LVG thinks Welbeck is up for it.
Ander Herrerra impressed in his debut, spraying some nice passes out wide and being generally tidy on the ball. I think the 3-5-2 means another defender will be signed, but in all likelihood I think they'll be 2 more defenders. Phil Jones is a nailed on starter and played in the middle of the 3 defenders but I'm not sure if Johnny Evans and Smalling are defenders that should be starting for a club with championship aspirations.
Currently constructed, it seems like our best team would be
------------------------De Gea-------------------------
----------Smalling----Jones--------------Evans-------
Valencia--------Carrick---Herrerra-------------Shaw
------------------------Mata----------------------------
-----------------RVP--------Rooney-----------------------
Rafael is great back up to Valencia in the 3-5-2 system as it makes the most of his attacking ability, but we're lacking a left back to provide Shaw with a rest, unless LVG thinks Welbeck is up for it.
I do wonder if Rafael is going to want to stick around as a backup with the Brazil national team going through a reset a year out from the Copa America. I wouldn't be surprised to see him angling for a move in December if Tony V is locked in.
To be honest he may be able to edge ahead of Valencia for the starting position if Tony can't rediscover his form.
I do wonder if there is enough pace in the lineup I posted above, but the only change I could see would be dropping Rooney to the 10 role and purchasing a speedy striker or letting Welbeck play there.
I do wonder if there is enough pace in the lineup I posted above, but the only change I could see would be dropping Rooney to the 10 role and purchasing a speedy striker or letting Welbeck play there.
At that point, though, do you have enough technical skill to unlock a good defense? Mata with that striker works, and Rooney as a 10 with a single striker works, but I don't know if feeding the speedy striker is Rooney's game.
Zomp said:
They are PRECISELY the sort of defenders that should be starting for a club with CHAMPIONSHIP aspirations and hopefully, that's where they'll take you.
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How United have played this preseason compared to last season is night and day.
The 5-3-2 formation by LVG is working wonders thus far. The high tempo pressing in their opponents half has led to multiple goals already.
I wouldn't be surprised if United roll through their first couple of games this season until teams are forced to adjust tactically (The relatively weak schedule should also help).
The 5-3-2 formation by LVG is working wonders thus far. The high tempo pressing in their opponents half has led to multiple goals already.
I wouldn't be surprised if United roll through their first couple of games this season until teams are forced to adjust tactically (The relatively weak schedule should also help).
Serious question: If one of the three CBs gets hurt on Monday, what does Van Gaal do for the opener? Switch to a back four or move someone (Carrick?) back from midfield?
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